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    Yup, strange isn't it? The pit bull was a pretty big boy, so he must have been given a pretty big dose. I do not know of any poisonous snakes in Thailand that cause that type of death.

    It will remain a mystery and with having the neighbor across the street having the same thing happen. She has like 7 dogs with no fence and a few like to nip at passers by. If they were after her dogs, I am trying to figure out how the poison got from her house to ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    the thing is, Rick, some people get really angry about dogs barking and it can get to the point of them deciding to poison them, if the owner does not control the noise

    barking dogs are a serious nuisance and the owner is responsible

    in your case, you have said that your dogs did not bark incessantly, so maybe the theory that they may have been in the way of a planned robbery is correct

    Our local pub had a seriously big Great Dane; some customer fed it drugs and the pub was robbed that night; the dog was just sedated though so no real harm done
    Andy we are lucky not to have any neighbors on the right side of the house since it is a flower field. That leaves neighbors to the left and across the street who also had two dogs poisoned the same night. There is some jealousy nearby since there are two Toyotas in our drive and the new house build is just up the street. My wife feels this jealousy and I am now wondering if it is better to move somewhere else.

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    I don't think jealousy is the reason; if your neighbour across the road had her dogs poisoned, then maybe whoever it was just lumped your dogs and her dogs together as the nuisance to be solved?

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    Could be. My wife is already looking for Thai dogs to replace the ones we lost. I would bet she will have a couple by the time I head back in November.

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    Use a 12V electric fence system around the property and on your gate (switch off by remote when entering) to zap intruders, and train your dogs as pups to only eat where and when you or your missus feeds them.

    Set up cctv and automatic light sensors/audio alarm too. Crims hate lights and too much attention.

    I reckon a potential thief did your dogs in.

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    Some good ideas. I like the electric fence, CCTV and lights. I have had motion sensor lights before, but they would get triggered by the dogs, so it would be a constant light situation that would increase the electric bill, but watts are cheap in Thailand.

    Feeding the dog on command might be tough until I am there all the time. I did train the pit bulls with regard to obedience, but my wife and her family did not continue the reinforcement that was needed and they fell back into bad habits.

    Home invasions happens everywhere and I guess I have to have the same mentality about it now as if I were in a city ghetto.

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    Position the light sensors to pick up movement along the walls/perimeter at about 6ft height, rather than from a height aimed downwards, should work.

    Yes, it's tough getting Thai's to stop coddling kids and pets to the point of indolence, but unless the dogs are trained to avoid being conned by tit-bits, they'll always be vulnerable to poison.

    I lost two dogs that way, one in India, the other in NZ. Never again.

    Good luck with that.

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    Thanks ENT, all good advice and sorry to hear about your dogs as well.

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    The suddenness of the deaths doesn’t indicate rat poisoning. The bleeding from the mouth doesn’t indicate insecticide poisoning (this results in foaming at the mouth). There are many snakes here that could easily kill an elephant never-mind a dog. Might have been a viper: “Bites by vipers and some Australian elapids can cause changes in the victim's hematologic system causing bleeding. this bleeding can be localized or diffuse. Internal organs can be involved. A victim may bleed from the bite site or bleed spontaneously from the mouth or old wounds. Unchecked bleeding can cause shock or even death.” (Snakebite Causes, Symptoms, Treatment - Snakebite Symptoms - eMedicineHealth). Could well have been a Siam Russell Viper.

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    ........and the two dogs that died across the street?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khonwan View Post
    The suddenness of the deaths doesn’t indicate rat poisoning. The bleeding from the mouth doesn’t indicate insecticide poisoning (this results in foaming at the mouth). There are many snakes here that could easily kill an elephant never-mind a dog. Might have been a viper: “Bites by vipers and some Australian elapids can cause changes in the victim's hematologic system causing bleeding. this bleeding can be localized or diffuse. Internal organs can be involved. A victim may bleed from the bite site or bleed spontaneously from the mouth or old wounds. Unchecked bleeding can cause shock or even death.” (Snakebite Causes, Symptoms, Treatment - Snakebite Symptoms - eMedicineHealth). Could well have been a Siam Russell Viper.
    It was a cowardly poisoning.Can't you understand that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    ........and the two dogs that died across the street?
    Coincidences sometimes happen. Since those other dogs also died very close, the snake could easily have gone to their property too – why not? Envenomation from a Siam Russell Viper is extremely powerful and deadly – it is likely to have enough venom to kill several dogs. Adult snakes don’t have to release all their venom at one bite – they can control the amount of venom delivered, or even choose to bite without envenoming. Juveniles can actually be more dangerous since they haven’t learned this skill yet. I’ve never seen bleeding in the rats I’ve poisoned (proprietary rat poison) and I’ve never seen bleeding in dogs poisoned with insecticide. Note also that dogs are often drawn by the presence of a snake, and if one interacts with it, the other is bound to join in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khonwan
    I’ve never seen bleeding in the rats I’ve poisoned
    I've seen bleeding in dogs from rat poison. Mouth & nose usually and sometimes anus. Having said that, I wouldn't know what killed your dogs, Rick

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    yes, Warfarin causes bleeding from all orifices

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    An overdose of Warfarin will kill an adult by having them "bleed out." That is exactly how rat poison works. The rats bleed to death and coagulation is halted since a clot can not be formed. Very primitive, but effective.

    You may be right about the snake theory, but it would have to be a pretty big coincidence. Possible, but not probable.

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    If nearby there's a small Ma & Pa shop with outside tables to encourage the locals to mingle and drink, encourage a Thai friend to spend time there occasionally over a couple of months. He eventually casually notes how great it was that those' farangs' got their payback. Eventually someone will spill the beans on who and why.
    Been there, it worked for me, after nearly 6 months of occasional visits; though your mileage may differ.
    My inner cynic is always on alert ….

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    The truth may come out eventually. It is a small village.

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    Been keeping up with this thread sad news about your dogs,as for burglars just had a call from Bangkok our condo was burgled last night.Odd thing is they only stole small stuff a few amulets pictures of monks,some paper work with bank details on and Gert old passport.Left television other large items so must have been on a motorbike or on foot.We are both in Blighty at the moment neighbor noticed door had been forced been in the same condo for 10 years never had problems before.Hope you stay burglar free think we were lucky at least no one was in when they came knocking.

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    Klong, sorry to hear that. I guess your only defense would be CCTV, but then the BIB would actually have to do something with the tapes.

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    Well, we are trying it again. We bought two male Golden Retrievers after they were old enough to take home. Here are some pics when they were young.







    Here they are at 5 months. They both have different personalities and have turned into good watch dogs. They do not have the menacing look of a pit bull and I am hoping the Thais accept them.

    My hope is to possibly breed them once I get back in a few months. I will need to find a 2 year old female or two, but that all remains to be seen. My wife loves them both, so I am hoping nothing happens to them.





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    I like dogs but must confess the all night barking can be overpowering at time and this can go on for hours ( noise pollution ).....seems both Thai and Farang, just leave their dogs to roam around unchecked....

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    Mine are chained up at night and only bark if someone gets too close to the house. Very few other dogs in the immediate area of the new house, but I can't say the same for my wife's parents old house.

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    Well, sorry to hear that Rick, I can't stand people who ill-treat animals, let alone poison them. However, it is not just in Thailand this happens, it has happened in London albeit not on the scale where you live. There may not have been any motive just some spiteful arseholes hell-bent on upsetting/annoying somebody who is not 'one of their own', jealousy of course.

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    We live in the sticks out here if your dog gets out and chases chickens it will be shot or poisend , we have had 4 dogs killed.

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    ^ Then you should have the balls to cave the subhumans skulls in.

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