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    Khao Yai destruction..

    Some may have seen the newspaper stories recently on the destruction of the Thanarat road which leads from Highway 2 at Pak Chong, to the National Park entry gates some 23km away.

    Bruce Kekule also makes mention of it in his thread here on KY... http://teakdoor.com/thailands-nation...onal-park.html (Khao Yai National Park)

    They marked all the trees along the first 12k's or so with white paint some time ago for removal, we guessed it was to widen the road.....they did.

    They entered a few months later and cut down some wonderful huge old trees along this road.

    The sad thing is that as I drive this road in its entire length twice a day, it has never had the amount of traffic on it that warrants a 4 lane super highway.

    This project was simply to use up possible excessive funds and line a few peoples pockets at the same time.

    Some 20 trees were approved by the department for removal.....it is reported in the paper that 130 large trees were removed.

    I can state that this number is totally incorrect and that thousands of trees were cut down of all sizes.

    The rather sad fact is that this road had trees overhanging it and was a very nice drive from the horrible highway 2, into the park. It was a prelude of what was to come, it put you in the mood for bigger and better in the park.

    Now, the first 10k's are a desolate and hot, bright contrast to what it was.....some pics below.

    Here is what the road used to look like....



    Here is what it looks like now...




    Some enterprising greenies have come along at night time and planted trees right up to the road again....more and more are being added each night it seems...



    Last weekend this guy was mounting a quite protest in the middle of the road...



    My kids joined in for a little bit and we bought them some water and gave it to them...

    I like poisoning my neighbours dogs till they die cos I'm a cnut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty View Post

    My kids joined in for a little bit and we bought them some water and gave it to them...

    And in their Tae Kwan Do outfits to scare off any BIB if they show up. Thanks for the pics and insight NAwty.

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    yes a tragedy, that said, in most of Europe, trees along busy roads have been removed as a security measure, they can make small accidents fatal

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    My guess is they will extend the new road all the way to the 304, a lot of very nice properties all the way, and a couple of good restaurants too.

    Any sign of road work in this direction ?

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    No, well yes and no.

    PM has already ordered a stop to all the works and cancelled any future plans for extensions.

    Having said that, any future guv could rehash them.

    But I would hope the conservation groups will then pop up big time again and quicker this time.

    There is widening on the road from mauk Lek to KY being done, but only small stuff.

    None on the back road past Kirrimiya.

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    Can anybody get an alternate email address from this site....I have been trying to email several times, but always declined.

    http://www.khaoyai.org/engversion/eng_home.html

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    Your link has a "mail us" button. When I clicked on it brought up my email program (Yahoo) with this address.

    evergreen[at]khaoyai.org

    Didn't try to send but you might try this email address.

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    Yeah, I read about the halt on the road work, a bit late though. I think a big part of the attraction was being able to sell the trees. The road threatens KY's world heritage listing, which I think is why Abhisit put a stop to it. Apparently it was a similair situation with the road they build through the park - lots of free timber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    evergreen[at]khaoyai.org Didn't try to send but you might try this email address.
    Thats the one that keeps returning undeliverable for several days now.

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    There's still plenty more trees there...

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    Sir Wilson.....actually, thats the attitude that lost Thailand more than 60% of her forests in the last 60 years. As most of us here originate from countries that have even less a percentage of remaining forest cover than Thailand does we should know better.

    I don't mean to offend but I feel very strongly about this subject.

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    have a look at the pics, loads and loads of them. besides they grow back quick enoough

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangsida View Post
    Sir Wilson.....actually, thats the attitude that lost Thailand more than 60% of her forests in the last 60 years. As most of us here originate from countries that have even less a percentage of remaining forest cover than Thailand does we should know better.

    I don't mean to offend but I feel very strongly about this subject.

    Actually forest is growing in Europe.

    Regarding Thailand, people in remote area want fast access to the main trading places. What's wrong with that ?

    Basically you consider those people as monkeys that should be kept in their "natural environment" for your entertainment.

    And you're supposed to be the good guy ?
    The things we regret most is the things we didn't do

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    Should have done what they did on the Chiang Mai-Lamphun road about 4 yrs ago, when the trees were destined for firewood.

    Tie monks robes around them.

    They're still standing today. Workers refused to cut them down or remove the robes.

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    Looks like they're making room for more noodle stands & wild dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Basically you consider those people as monkeys that should be kept in their "natural environment" for your entertainment.
    I will ponder that keen insight into my subconscious mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Tie monks robes around them.
    Several trees had ribbons around them and were huge.....all gone.....no discrimination here.

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    So they chopped down those lovely mature trees, and then decided not to widen the road?

    Thats smells very much like the corruption of the current government to me- call me a cynic, but my guess is the trees were cut down regardless, even after it was known the road widening was canned.

    So the simple question for local activists and concerned people is-
    Who cut down the trees?
    Who owns this company?
    Who hired them?
    Where did the money go for the substantial value of this wood?

    This being Thailand, and given the substantial backwards momentum of this place right now, the problem is that those who ask this question too closely might just 'disappear', in the time honoured Thai tradition.

    A lot of influential people own property around there, so you can safely bet theres a lot of dodgy deals that have gone on.
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    Tomorrow, Friday, June 18 at 13:00, the National Park Association of Thailand [new organization] will host a forum concerning the Thanarat Road parkway entrance to Khao Yai NP. The program will be held at Kasetsart University’s Faculty of Forestry, Sa-ngasappasri Conference Room on the 3rd floor. The tentative schedule is as follows [keep in mind that the listed DGs may likely send their designated stand-in’s]. Of course, it will be in Thai. Registration prior to going into the conference room is from 12:00 to 13:00. Of course, the program will be in Thai, not English. The program is open to the public, and that includes you. On a personal note, please join NPAT (300 B for the year). It is officially an NGO, and it is comprised of former and current Department of National Park employees plus academics, students and folks who care about Thailand’s national parks. I’m in the folks category.
    If you speak/understand Thai, please do come. Let’s see what happens.
    [IMG]file:///C:/Users/DrBob/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]Program Of Conference
    Dream of the road and Conservative The world heritage Of Dung Phayayen- Khoa Yai Forest complex
    Friday, 18 June 2010 12.00-16.30 PM.
    Sa-ngasappasri conference room 3 Floor 60 Year Building
    Faculty of forestry, Kasetsart University Bangkok.
    12:00 –13:00 PM. Registration
    13:00 –13:15 PM. Open ceremony
    Chairman of the conference Assis.Prof. Surachat Chatthamat
    (NPAT President),
    Welcoming remarks by Assis.Prof.Dr. Wanchai Arunpraparat
    Dean, Faculty of Forestry
    Introductory remarks by Mr.Anurak Teeralertwanai
    Secretary of NPAT
    13:15 –13:50 PM. Panel Discussion : “Road construction and design concept in protected areas”
    By Director General of Highways Department

    Director General of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant
    Conservation Department

    Director General of Royal forest Department

    Moderator Mr.Phanlop Kritayanwat (my note: VP of Thai Housing Bank)
    Advisory committee of NPAT
    13:50 –14:20 PM. Panel Discussion: “Past, present and future of Dong Phayayen- Khao Yai Forest complex World Heritage Site

    By Mr.Boonreang Saisorn
    Former Khao-Yai National Park Superintendent and Chairman
    Of the NPAT advisory committee (my note: Khun Boonreang was the first Superintendent of Khao Yai NP)

    Associate Prof.Dr. Uthis Kud-In
    Committee of the nature world heritage of Thailand and
    Advisory committee of NPAT

    Moderator Mr.Manop Champoojan
    Advisor of The National Parks Association Of Thailand
    14:20.-15:00 PM Panel Discussion “The dreamed Highways for National Parks – in national park and highway departments’ perspective”
    By Assis.Prof.Dr. Eakarin Anukulyudthon Kasetsart University

    Mr. Picha PittayaKajornwut
    Advisor of The National Parks Association Of Thailand

    Representative from National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department

    Representative from Highways Department

    Moderator Assis.Prof.Dr. Patchanuch Wongwatthana Foster
    Lecturer in Parks, recreation and tourism program, KUFF and Committee of The NPAT

    Exchange ideas and experiences among participants from the floor
    16:15 –16:30 PM Conclusion and closing of the conference
    By Assis.Prof. Surachat Chatthamat (NPAT President)


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    If anybody goes...tell them the Khao Yai Foundation website email address does not work.

    Tell them the phone number at the bottom, when called they dont give a shit.

    Another phone number on another page, they said they would call back.....seem to not give a shit either.

    Perhaps if they want support, they should get the basics right.

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    Is there a website for this NPAT ?....that works

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    Can anybody get an alternate email address from this site....I have been trying to email several times, but always declined. Foundation for Khao Yai National Park Protection
    I had a look at the sight and got a warning from Avira saying it was an attack site!

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    Geeez, anyone would think that the trees wont grow back or something...

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    I agree with Nawty. I drove that road about a dozen times the last 4 years and enjoyed the trees. Shame to remove them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Wilson
    anyone would think that the trees wont grow back or something...
    Like the hair on your back, it shall return.

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