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    No hair on my back, you must be confusing me with someone else, but then again for who cannot spell naughty, and doesnt realise that trees, unlike money DO grow on trees, not surprising really.

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    I'll let the good folks in the National Park Association of Thailand [not to be confused with any foundation] know that things are a bit lacking in responding to phone calls. There is no website, as of yet. The hotmail e-mail address should be good, however. Office staff are a couple of volunteer students from Kasetsart University.

    The forum today came off very well with a lot of hard questions being asked and some even being answered. A TeakDoor contributor, Bruce Kekule, was there. Bruce is well-known to many of you, and is certainly a person with a long-term perspective on Thai national parks and their "challenges." I would like to know his take on today's activities.

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    Office staff are a couple of volunteer students from Kasetsart University.
    Bladdy hell, the government cannot/will not fund it ? Sheesh, no wonder things are bad.

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    NPAT is officially registered as an NGO.

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    Excellent....look forward to Bruces take on it when he can....

    Got your PM also and replied.

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    Such a shame!, Your pictures before and after highlight the madness that's going on all over the poorer parts of the world today, When are people going to wake up realise all the destruction our generation is causing is going to leave a huge mess for the future generations!.
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    That road looks far better with the trees on it.

    All they are doing is providing a death trap for motorists.

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    No shit sherlock....

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    The trees will grow back soon... worldwide today there is more forrest then 30 years ago. Hard to believe ? Last years conference in Indonesia showed satellite pictures about the growth worldwide. I agree though that the "old" forrests are getting smaller, but the rate of downsize is much lower. This all of farmer-based-forrestry.

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    ^retard

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    Forest coverage in Thailand is reducing, maybe at a slower rate than in previous decades and years but the fact is that it is still decreasing. This is a fact.

    Not that the trees concerned here are a "forest" but the disdain by many, including myself, is that there did not seem to be any real reason to cut them down especially considering the area is famous for being part of the Dong Phaya Yen World Heritage site. As such any development in the area needs to be carefully controlled, obviously such a system failed or does not exist.

    Its done now though, so lets hope something constructive can come out of it.

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    please join NPAT (300 B for the year). It is officially an NGO, and it is comprised of former and current Department of National Park employees plus academics, students and folks who care about Thailand’s national parks.
    I'm interested. Since there's no website, could you please provide more info, such as an abstract of their objectives, or something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwizard View Post
    The trees will grow back soon... worldwide today there is more forrest then 30 years ago. Hard to believe ? Last years conference in Indonesia showed satellite pictures about the growth worldwide. I agree though that the "old" forrests are getting smaller, but the rate of downsize is much lower. This all of farmer-based-forrestry.
    this is purposedly faked information, by some very important investors with interests (with very important international banks such as BNP in France):
    they now count as 'forests' the areas where they have replanted oil palms, rubber, and other commercially grown trees. These vast superficies have been cleared of real very ancient forest, that did have qualities (biodiversity, animal sheltering capacities, erosion control, carbon capture, home to local tribes, etc etc) that the commercial crops DO NOT have.

    Indonesia is particularly well known for its corrupt officials who let these greedy investors do what they please = money in the avatar movie style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangsida View Post
    Forest coverage in Thailand is reducing, maybe at a slower rate than in previous decades and years but the fact is that it is still decreasing. This is a fact.
    the rate slowed simply because there isn't much left to cut. The cases of Laos, Burma, Cambodia, Indonesia are dramatic.
    Quote Originally Posted by pangsida View Post
    Not that the trees concerned here are a "forest" but the disdain by many, including myself, is that there did not seem to be any real reason to cut them down especially considering the area is famous for being part of the Dong Phaya Yen World Heritage site. As such any development in the area needs to be carefully controlled, obviously such a system failed or does not exist.

    Its done now though, so lets hope something constructive can come out of it.
    Let's hope something constructive comes out of it, even though previous cases show Thailands little capacity in implementing its policies, when there are any.

    Just look at Ayudthaya, which is also a World Heritage site : the UNESCO threatened several times to retract this status and the subsides that go with it, because the Thais have not proven capable of respecting the site according to the guidelines that go with being a WH site, and that they agreed upon. The UNESCO might well soon kick Ayudthaya out of the process for good.

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    "think charcoal/ keen chaos" ooops did it again...so riz
    a real pity for shure,did same here on 1 Km.betwin 2 villages,maybe 30 took took
    a day, more pee-cup+2wheels of course...

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    Understood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty View Post
    Understood...
    Nawty,

    Regret the very long delay in putting my two cents into the pile. My workload has increased ten-fold in the last 3-4 months and I have not been keeping up with other threads, my apologies.

    I went to the meeting and frankly, it should have been slightly better because;

    Several Thai individuals got the mike and went off-subject which is a favorite trick of someone wanting to promote his/her own agenda. I have seen and listen to this nonsense many times before in these high-level meetings. I did not stay for the whole two days so am not sure what went down after the afternoon of the first day. Needless to say, it started with a bang but I had to leave (on the road again) and went into the histroy books. I know that 'Old Racer' is hoping for the best with the newly formed National Park Association of Thailand and we should give them a chance to get rolling. Things go slow in Thailand.

    The tree thing in Khao Yai is a cluster screw-up (for better words) and someone's head (s) should roll but again, where are we?? The main reason for widening the road in Khao Yai is to carry-on around the park to Buriram and 304 for the future. I mentioned this in my thread on Khao Yai.

    They also want or already have started widening 304 (quicker access to Pak Thong Chai) and on to guess where? The dingbats are a political party and form a major share of the present government including the transport people. Have they started replanting trees yet?

    The DNP are also talking about a so-called wildlife corridor on 304 with an elevated highway, and the old road ripped up and trees planted on the ground. Apparently, the cheapest way to go. The bean counters at it again.

    I know for a fact, wild animals flee at the first sound of an automobile. It might take this scheme a decade or more to get wild creatures to cross the corridor. But in the meantime, the money has been made on all that construction. And boxing the wildlife in could turn into a death-trap. A tunnel or series of tunnels would be much better. I'm now off-subject but since we are talking about roads and tree-cutting, this shows without a doubt what is happening to the natural resources under the present administration.

    I'm death against any new roads or widening existing roads especially in or out of protected areas. I know one road that was widened where elephants and other animals are still being killed although the Thai Army close the road now through Khao Ang Rue Nai Wildlife Sanctuary in the East from 9pm to 5am. Road kills have dramitcally dropped here but some still happen from time to time. Hat's off to the Army and local Khao Ang Rue Nai personnel for taking positive action.

    One last thing. All the hoo-hah about a big 4-lane highway will decrease accidents. What a bunch of shite. They could make it into a ten-laner and
    these drivers would still kill each other. Nuff said!
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    Khao Yai park 'not being ejected as heritage site'
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    The news of Dong Phaya Yen-Khao Yai National Park's possible removal as a World Heritage Site stems from misunderstanding and inaccurate information, the park's head, Krissada Homsud, said yesterday.

    He expressed confidence that Thailand would be able to clearly explain itself at the meeting of United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation's World Heritage Committee (WHC) in Cambodia from tomorrow until June 27.

    Krissada said the Unesco website had published the WHC meeting agenda, including the national park issue. If the Dong Phaya Yen-Khao Yai problem remains unsolved, it could be listed as World Heritage Sites Under Threat 2014.

    However, he said some people had misunderstood, out of good or ill-intention, and spread rumours online that Khao Yai was closed for rehabilitation as the forest had deteriorated or been hit by floods, while presenting negative information from the past.

    Krissada said the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) had sent officials to gather information and hence had a good understanding.

    He said they were not upset and even understood the situation. He said the park had undertaken concrete measures to take care of and rehabilitate forestland. Expansion of Highway 304 (Nakhon Ratchasima-Kabin Buri), which would cut through the Khao Yai-Thab Lan forest, had not been done as the project was in the process of studying the environmental impact, there was no new case of forest encroachment and the old cases were in the legal process.

    Krissada said the park had also brought three environmentally friendly electric cars to reduce pollution and had organised a campaign for eco-tourism, reduced garbage, and sought tourists' cooperation not to bring alcohol drinks into the park.

    Thailand's representative in the WHC, Somsuda Leeyavanich, on Thursday had said the upcoming meeting included on its agenda Thailand's report on the "State of Conservation Reports Natural properties" regarding Dong Phaya Yen-Khao Yai.

    The Unesco website had stated that Thailand would report on six issues involving Khao Yai - expansion of Highway 304 into forestland, discontinuity of forestland, forestland encroachment, unclear management plan, tourism and the dam and animals grazing in the meadow. Thailand had submitted previously presented reports at the WHC meetings in Paris and St Petersburg.

    Khao Yai National Park covers 2,165.55 square kilometres of forestland across Nakhon Nayok, Prachin Buri, Nakhon Ratchasima and Saraburi.

    nationmultimedia.com

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    Ai....a friend was killed on this new great road several months ago..

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