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The Fresh Prince · 12-09-2008, 02:46 AM

Excellent thread mobs, will look out for the book as you've recomended it.

I'm just happy that there are still wild Tigers in Thailand.

Bobcock · 12-09-2008, 09:41 AM

I'll be heading to the FCCT for that one, always enjoy an evening there and I'll still got a few beer tokens left.

bwylde01 · 15-09-2008, 09:11 PM

Very nice post! The pics are awsome, and bring the real feel of the wild life.Thanks!

mobs00 · 15-09-2008, 11:29 PM

Thanks for all the nice comments!

Looks like I may be headed out that way again. Next week I hope to be heading up river in a longtail boat on the Sai Yoke Noi river out to somewhere. Should be a good adventure and I'll definitely post it on TD. Bruce has camera trapped tiger in this area.

pangsida · 01-01-2009, 08:04 PM

I liked this thread so much I joined teak-door! I also enjoyed the Kaeng Krachan thread also thanks.

Its not a National Park though - its a sanctuary (the difference being that a NP has in its charter that it should educate the public whilst a Sanctuary (as this is) does not. It's taken me a long time to figure that out as some sanctuaries allow visitors but others do not (without a permit that is).

Anyway thats not the point of this post - my point is to say thank you to you for such a great insight and also thanks to Mr. Bruce for such a great book (all three of them) - little is said about this great natural resource that Thailand still has - but is fast losing, indeed it has lost some 75% of its gibbon habitat (the great noise in your vid) since the 60s resulting in the collapse in the gibbon population from an estimated 3,000,000 to 18,000 (scary!) due to habitat destruction.

good2bhappy · 01-01-2009, 08:12 PM

lovely part of Thailand.
I have a little land just to the east of the park/sanctuary, where the hills meet the plain

phuketbound · 01-01-2009, 08:28 PM

Stunning pics of the wildlife. Your camera takes very nice, clear and colourful photos too. Did you get to see any tigers? Do you know how many tigers approx. are still roaming around Thailand?

pangsida · 02-01-2009, 07:57 AM

From what I have read I would guesstimate about 400 or so. The three numbers I know are:

Khao Yai 3 (census in 1990s)
Phu Khieo 19 (census in 1990s)
Western Forest complex 200 (estimate)

I think they are incredibly hard to count being nocturnal, requiring large unspoilt territories, etc. I remember asking a ranger at the Eastern Forest Complex if he had ever seen one of their tigers - no was the answer and he had worked there for 20 years!

mobs00 · 02-01-2009, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Stunning pics of the wildlife. Your camera takes very nice, clear and colourful photos too. Did you get to see any tigers? Do you know how many tigers approx. are still roaming around Thailand?

I have never seen a tiger in the wild but have seen plenty of signs that they were in the area. On the last trip to Kaeng Krachan I found some sign of a struggle and what looked like an area where an animal was dragged out of a salt lick. From the shape and size of the tracks it looked like a gaur was trying to get away from something.

As far as Tiger populations it is very hard to get an approximate number as there have not been any worthwhile surveys done. As pangsida said, the agreed upon guesstimate is around 400-500.

phuketbound · 03-01-2009, 10:20 AM

^^Great to hear that there are still a few around. Thanks.

mobs00, what do you think of places like Tiger Temple that chain the tigers up and use them as a tourist attraction?

mobs00 · 03-01-2009, 10:27 AM

^ I think you may already know... In short, I do not agree with programs that breed animals for tourism and not for re-introduction.

There are plenty of threads here on TD about the Tiger temple.

phuketbound · 03-01-2009, 10:41 AM

^I thought you may say that. One reason I haven't been to the tiger temple is just that. Last time i was there, I was appalled at seeing the monkeys chained up and even the way some of the elephants are treated.

pescator · 08-01-2009, 07:00 PM

Fantastic trip report!
Much appreciated.
I`ll look up Bruce`s books on the net to get my hands on all 3 of them.

SunTzu · 04-04-2009, 12:14 PM

Fantastic threads ! Thanks for sharing.

just for info :
[cite]

This area had sink holes all over the place. I am not sure what caused them but it could be from the root system of long dead trees finally rotting away. [/cite]

A you guys probably are in a limestone area, this could well be a cave-in (a cave that collapsed somewhere underneath). Limestone formations are usually caved pretty much like swiss-cheese.

Cheers

pangsida · 03-03-2010, 11:58 AM

I never thought I would have the chance to see a wild tiger in Thailand BUT I have!
Stood 30 meters in front of me on a track in Thap lan park. I feel very lucky indeed.

Takeovers · 03-03-2010, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pangsida

I never thought I would have the chance to see a wild tiger in Thailand BUT I have!
Stood 30 meters in front of me on a track in Thap lan park. I feel very lucky indeed.

And you live to tell the story.

Congratulations

01-01-2009, 08:04 PM	#65 (permalink)
pangsida Bang Tao Beach Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Suk Posts: 13	I liked this thread so much I joined teak-door! I also enjoyed the Kaeng Krachan thread also thanks. Its not a National Park though - its a sanctuary (the difference being that a NP has in its charter that it should educate the public whilst a Sanctuary (as this is) does not. It's taken me a long time to figure that out as some sanctuaries allow visitors but others do not (without a permit that is). Anyway thats not the point of this post - my point is to say thank you to you for such a great insight and also thanks to Mr. Bruce for such a great book (all three of them) - little is said about this great natural resource that Thailand still has - but is fast losing, indeed it has lost some 75% of its gibbon habitat (the great noise in your vid) since the 60s resulting in the collapse in the gibbon population from an estimated 3,000,000 to 18,000 (scary!) due to habitat destruction. Last edited by pangsida : 01-01-2009 at 08:12 PM.

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12-09-2008, 02:46 AM	#61 (permalink)
The Fresh Prince Sprayed On Member Last Online: Today 02:44 AM Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Not in the willage Posts: 5,346	Excellent thread mobs, will look out for the book as you've recomended it. I'm just happy that there are still wild Tigers in Thailand.

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Bobcock Llandewi Brefi's Finest Last Online: Today 02:03 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,659	I'll be heading to the FCCT for that one, always enjoy an evening there and I'll still got a few beer tokens left.

15-09-2008, 09:11 PM	#63 (permalink)
bwylde01 Koh Lanta Last Online: 07-01-2009 02:32 AM Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 106	Very nice post! The pics are awsome, and bring the real feel of the wild life.Thanks!

15-09-2008, 11:29 PM	#64 (permalink)
mobs00 Mmmm, Bowling...... Last Online: Today 08:18 AM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chiang Mai Posts: 1,363	Thanks for all the nice comments! Looks like I may be headed out that way again. Next week I hope to be heading up river in a longtail boat on the Sai Yoke Noi river out to somewhere. Should be a good adventure and I'll definitely post it on TD. Bruce has camera trapped tiger in this area.

01-01-2009, 08:12 PM	#66 (permalink)
good2bhappy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 10:45 AM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Klong Samwa Posts: 11,821	lovely part of Thailand. I have a little land just to the east of the park/sanctuary, where the hills meet the plain

01-01-2009, 08:28 PM	#67 (permalink)
phuketbound I am in Jail Last Online: 01-03-2010 11:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,400	Stunning pics of the wildlife. Your camera takes very nice, clear and colourful photos too. Did you get to see any tigers? Do you know how many tigers approx. are still roaming around Thailand?

02-01-2009, 07:57 AM	#68 (permalink)
pangsida Bang Tao Beach Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Suk Posts: 13	From what I have read I would guesstimate about 400 or so. The three numbers I know are: Khao Yai 3 (census in 1990s) Phu Khieo 19 (census in 1990s) Western Forest complex 200 (estimate) I think they are incredibly hard to count being nocturnal, requiring large unspoilt territories, etc. I remember asking a ranger at the Eastern Forest Complex if he had ever seen one of their tigers - no was the answer and he had worked there for 20 years!

03-01-2009, 10:20 AM	#70 (permalink)
phuketbound I am in Jail Last Online: 01-03-2010 11:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,400	^^Great to hear that there are still a few around. Thanks. mobs00, what do you think of places like Tiger Temple that chain the tigers up and use them as a tourist attraction?

03-01-2009, 10:27 AM	#71 (permalink)
mobs00 Mmmm, Bowling...... Last Online: Today 08:18 AM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chiang Mai Posts: 1,363	^ I think you may already know... In short, I do not agree with programs that breed animals for tourism and not for re-introduction. There are plenty of threads here on TD about the Tiger temple.

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phuketbound I am in Jail Last Online: 01-03-2010 11:30 PM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,400	^I thought you may say that. One reason I haven't been to the tiger temple is just that. Last time i was there, I was appalled at seeing the monkeys chained up and even the way some of the elephants are treated.

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08-01-2009, 07:00 PM	#73 (permalink)
pescator Koh Lanta Last Online: Yesterday 11:47 PM Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scandia Posts: 109	Fantastic trip report! Much appreciated. I`ll look up Bruce`s books on the net to get my hands on all 3 of them.

04-04-2009, 12:14 PM	#74 (permalink)
SunTzu Ratchaburi Last Online: Yesterday 11:51 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sunny land of Tzu Posts: 482	Fantastic threads ! Thanks for sharing. just for info : [cite] This area had sink holes all over the place. I am not sure what caused them but it could be from the root system of long dead trees finally rotting away. [/cite] A you guys probably are in a limestone area, this could well be a cave-in (a cave that collapsed somewhere underneath). Limestone formations are usually caved pretty much like swiss-cheese. Cheers

03-03-2010, 11:58 AM	#75 (permalink)
pangsida Bang Tao Beach Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Suk Posts: 13	I never thought I would have the chance to see a wild tiger in Thailand BUT I have! Stood 30 meters in front of me on a track in Thap lan park. I feel very lucky indeed.