Thread: Rawai phuket, bar work for a brit?

I agree CM. The guy's struggling and unfortunately I can't help. You learn by your mistakes. I hope the OP learns quick.

Yeah ok he says he want to make some extra cash so he can stay here, unknown to you guys he send me a message asking me how much to rent my 3 bedroom pool villa most of the muay Thai places have rooms to rent, the do in Rawai

Originally Posted by FarangRed

well lad there's fuk all to do in Rawai be a good boy and run along and stop asking stupid questions

Not sure why you wanna make personal insults to my every comment? The internet... building keyboard warriors since the early 90's lmfao.

Funny how your posts all seem to be advertising moby dicks bar and their "great bar b q's" and advertising a place to rent yet say there's "fuck all to do in Rawai"??.... if there's nothing to do stop advertising your bar.

Why is it a silly question? this forum is for travel advise etc etc.... now kindly piss off and dont comment on anymore of my posts

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Yeah ok he says he want to make some extra cash so he can stay here, unknown to you guys he send me a message asking me how much to rent my 3 bedroom pool villa most of the muay Thai places have rooms to rent, the do in Rawai

uh your in a mood cause you advertise a place for rent and someone enquires the price.... lmfao.
prob not even got a pool house, just a teenager behind a pc living his fantacy live out via the cyber channels.

what a prick you are.

When i say your posts about moby dicks i assumed u was the owner and thought you'd be one person that might be able to anwer my questions without arsey replies so i actually tried to private message you first... but it failed as i hadnt posted on forum.

You're not british are ya?

^ You are getting off to a good start.

OK, a few points to help you on your way.

1. Any (any) paid or unpaid employment in Thailand is illegal unless you have a work permit.

2. The entertainment industry (bar etc) is a restricted occupation (so is tour guiding etc). That means that they will never issue a work permit for those occupations (Thai's only). Even people who own bars are (strictly) not allowed to work in them....

Additionally, if you are comming here to study muay Thai properly, you may be on a student visa? That again would prohibit you from seeking work


Those are the laws currently in force. If you are cuaght breaking them, you are liable to a fine/jail/deportation/being buggered in a Thai jail depending upon the mood of the individuals who are currently screwing you.

Now the reality - do people break those laws? Hell yes. Do a lot get caught? Hell no. Do some get caught? Hell yes.

on edit: given that what you are trying to find out is illegal, you may understand why people are not posting :go check joe Blogg at the lion bar or whereever).

Originally Posted by nidhogg

^ You are getting off to a good start.

OK, a few points to help you on your way.

1. Any (any) paid or unpaid employment in Thailand is illegal unless you have a work permit.

2. The entertainment industry (bar etc) is a restricted occupation (so is tour guiding etc). That means that they will never issue a work permit for those occupations (Thai's only). Even people who own bars are (strictly) not allowed to work in them....

Additionally, if you are comming here to study muay Thai properly, you may be on a student visa? That again would prohibit you from seeking work


Those are the laws currently in force. If you are cuaght breaking them, you are liable to a fine/jail/deportation/being buggered in a Thai jail depending upon the mood of the individuals who are currently screwing you.

Now the reality - do people break those laws? Hell yes. Do a lot get caught? Hell no. Do some get caught? Hell yes.

on edit: given that what you are trying to find out is illegal, you may understand why people are not posting :go check joe Blogg at the lion bar or whereever).

Thanks for all the info mate, this is all i was after.
Yeah found it weird that no fight students work around trainning so figured their must be a law around it... i have emailed the embasy here but still waiting on a reply.
No i wouldnt do it if not 100% above board.... in the uk id break law but wouldnt wanna spend time in a thai nick.

You say british bar owners are not allowed to even work in their own bar? seems harsh... does the same rule apply for hotel/guest house or gym owners from overseas or is it just the bar industry?

There is something like 50 prohibited industries that you as a farang cannot work in were you will not get a work permit.

Originally Posted by FarangRed

There is something like 50 prohibited industries that you as a farang cannot work in were you will not get a work permit.

I do not wish to hear from you, run along now

Just practice what you learn in the day on the ring in the evening!

You can fight in the Pataya bar areas on the evenings !

There are a few foreigners that do this, the pay seems to be the coins that drop in the hat after the match...

As foreigners fighting locals is always attracting more customers in the bars, being Thais or Foreign, after some time you prolly get paid a percentage by the bar owners around the ring as well.

There must be good paid matches around the country as well

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Virtually all the Western bars will have Western bar managers. Go speak to them.

I agree with, Mao.

Most decent sized Western style bars will have a foreign manager. Chances of getting bar work is pretty much zero though.

If you were staying 'long-term' then there would certainly be a chance that you could pick-up a job managing a Western style bar, though this would take a lot of footwork and time, and with the economy the way it is, tourist numbers down etc etc, then It would be difficult.

For what you are looking for, ie part time bar work, I think you are going to draw a blank on that especially given you probably have no specialist skills such as speaking the language.

Originally Posted by connor81

Yeah found it weird that no fight students work around trainning so figured their must be a law around it...

There is a school Muay Thai near where I live, I have heard its well known, but no idea.

There are always a few foreigners training there though....and at 6 am they go on a circuit run of a couple of miles along with all the Thai lads, which may have as much to do with it as anything!

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Probably about <20% of westerners doing some sort of work here have WPs.

100% of those with WPs break the WP conditions. Have people actually read what the WP bars you from doing within your job?

Hence, all foreigners working here are doing so illegally.

faulty logic.

Not at all.

Not adhering to the strict conditions of one's WP is punishable by 3 months prison.

Going for a business lunch or dinner, can get you sent to prison, unless your WP stipulates that restaurant as your place of work... Which it doesn't.

Don't talk to the boss in a taxi to a meeting... Or even leave your office to go to a meeting.

Originally Posted by forreachingme

Just practice what you learn in the day on the ring in the evening!

You can fight in the Pataya bar areas on the evenings !

There are a few foreigners that do this, the pay seems to be the coins that drop in the hat after the match...

As foreigners fighting locals is always attracting more customers in the bars, being Thais or Foreign, after some time you prolly get paid a percentage by the bar owners around the ring as well.

There must be good paid matches around the country as well

yes i plan on doing this mate but the gym said only expect a fight a month... at the very most people fight once a fortnight if injury free.... a fight only brings in about £80.... and would be a few months before i got my 1st.
cheers

Originally Posted by Clogiron

Originally Posted by FarangRed

There is something like 50 prohibited industries that you as a farang cannot work in were you will not get a work permit.

Prohibited Jobs

Jobs as laborers, in fields uniquely Thai (producing cultural items) or involving Thai handicrafts are not allowed to be done by foreigners.

Additional Businesses and Jobs that Foreigners are Not Allowed to Do In Thailand

Newspaper business, radio-broadcasting station or radio/television business
Farming, cultivation or horticulture
Animal husbandry
Forestry and timber conversion from natural forests
Fisheries, especially fishing in Thai territorial waters and in specific economic areas of Thailand
Extracting Thai herbs
Trade and auction sale of Thai antiques or objects of historical value
Making or casting Buddha images and alms bowls Trading in land
Trading in land

Restricted Business Activities under the Foreign Business Act of 1999

List 1 – Businesses that foreigners are not permitted to engage in for special reasons:

– Newspaper business, radio-broadcasting station or radio/television business

– Farming, cultivation or horticulture

– Animal husbandry

– Forestry and timber conversion from natural forests

– Fisheries, especially fishing in Thai territorial waters and in specific economic areas of Thailand

– Extracting Thai herbs

– Trade and auction sale of Thai antiques or objects of historical value

– Making or casting Buddha images and alms bowls

– Trading in land

List 2 – Businesses concerning national security or safety that could have an adverse effect on art and culture, customs, or native manufacture/handicrafts, or with an impact on natural resources and the environment:

Group 1 – Businesses concerning national security or safety

– Manufacturing, distribution, repair or maintenance of:

- Firearms, ammunition, gunpowder, and explosive materials

- Components of firearms, ammunition, and explosive materials

- Armaments, ships, aircraft, or vehicles

- Equipment, or parts of any type of military equipment

– Domestic land transport, water transport, and air transport, including domestic aviation.

Group 2 – Businesses that could have an adverse effect on arts and culture, customs, and native manufacturing/handicrafts

– Trading of antiques or artifacts that are Thai works of art or Thai handicrafts

– Wood carving

– Silkworm rearing, manufacture of Thai silk, Thai silk weaving, or Thai silk printing

– Manufacturing of Thai musical instruments

– Manufacturing of gold-ware, silverware, nielloware, bronzeware, or lacquerware

– Making bowls or earthenware which are of Thai art and culture

Group 3 – Businesses concerning natural resources and the environment

– Manufacturing of sugar from cane

– Salt farming, including rock salt farming

– Mining of rock salt

– Mining, including stone quarrying or crushing

– Timber processing for making furniture and utilities

Businesses foreigners and not allowed to do in Thailand:

– Rice milling and flour production from rice and plants

– Fisheries, specifically breeding of aquatic creatures

– Forestry from re-planting

– Production of plywood, veneer, chipboard or hardboard

– Production of lime

– Accountancy

– Legal services

– Architecture

– Engineering

– Construction, except:

- Construction of infrastructure in public utilities or communications requiring tools, technology or special expertise in such construction, except where the minimum foreign capital is 500 million baht

- Other construction, as prescribed in regulations

– Agency or brokerage, except:

- Brokerage or agency of securities or service related to agricultural commodities futures or financial instruments or securities

- Brokerage or agency for the purchase/sale or procurement of goods or services necessary to production or providing services to affiliated enterprises

- Brokerage or agency for the purchase or sale, distribution or procurement of markets, both domestic and overseas for the distribution of products made in Thailand, or imported from overseas in the category of international business, with minimum foreign capital of not less than 100 million baht

- Other brokerage or agency activities, as stipulated in regulations

– Auctioneering, except:

- Auctioneering by international bidding, not being auctions of antiques, ancient objects or artifacts that are Thai works of art, Thai handicrafts or antique objects, or with Thai historical value

- Other types of auctioneering, as stipulated in regulations

– Domestic trade in local agricultural products not prohibited by law

– Retailing, unless not less than 100 million baht capital is invested, or having minimum capital for each shop of not less than 20 million baht

– Wholesaling, unless the capital is not less than 100 million baht

– Advertising

– Hotel operation, excluding hotel management

– Tourism

– Sale of food and beverages

– Planting and culture of plants

– Other services, except those exempted under ministerial regulations

Thanks for that mate, good read.... as much as it makes me draw a blank i do admire the laws that they look after "their own" first... wish UK was like this
When i was in cuba they even have 2 currencies.. one for locals to buy everything dust cheap, then dollors for tourists to pay through the nose... great idea i think all countries should look after their own.
I'll be honest with ya its not so much a money thing more of getting to meet more people and learn more about the culture so id work for free really but seems thats not possible.

Thanks for all the help people

When i was in cuba they even have 2 currencies.. one for locals to buy everything dust cheap, then dollors for tourists to pay through the nose..

Keep that quiet. Don't want the Thais getting any ideas.

great idea i think all countries should look after their own.

You're gonna love going to the national parks.

The first westerner I hear liking the double pricing...

There is a lot to learn in this world - and you cant learn it all in one day - nor in one country! It's taken me fifty years or more to understand Thailand - I think! Oh! S- -t, it's changed again!

As long as not even the Thais seem to understand what's going on....but then: most just don't care...

Originally Posted by connor81

I'll be honest with ya its not so much a money thing more of getting to meet more people and learn more about the culture so id work for free really but seems thats not possible.

All is not lost. Google 'voluntary work in Thailand'. Plenty of opportunities, take your pick.

hi
if you're free Saturday mornings, In Kathu from 9-12 some expats/tourists run fitness/rugby coaching for kids, mainly from a school in Patong and Asia Centre orphanage. Nothing too technical if you're not a rugby man, more fitness, fun for the kids, ball skills, tackle practice. Muay Thai students have helped out before.
I helped out 6mth before moving, good way to meet people, pick up a bit of language from the kids. PM if you want contact info.
Enjoy your stay, only warning re Rawai is be careful after dark, and make sure your belongings are secure it's a high theft/burglary area.

It dont need to be after dark last week a woman riding her bike at 1pm had her bag snatched near Icon