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    Question Australian Passport for a Thai Wife .

    I know that if I spend a lot of time searching I will find this has already been asked .
    But I honestly don't know which Topic look in .
    And if I am reviving a much-answered question I apologise .

    Quite simply ... if you hold an Australian Passport just how difficult is it to get an Australian Passport for your Thai wife ?

    And thanks .


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    Once she becomes an Australian citizen no problems.

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    Getting a passport is not just getting a travel document. It means she is an Australian citizen, with all the rights and obligations thereof. Look up a thread by JPPR2 which details fully the three year+ process for his Thai wife to obtain US citizenship. I doubt Australia is much different.
    Last edited by Davis Knowlton; 29-09-2015 at 08:00 PM.

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    Long drawn out process, first a spouse visa, after 2 years PR, then 2 more years, citizenship.
    My problem is we live in Thailand, wife has PR, 2 kids born in OZ, but she can't apply for citizenship, have to stay in Australia for 2 years.
    Every time you leave, for a period of time, the 2 year clock starts again and now they have started this resident return visa.
    Just a money grab, even with PR you have to buy a return visa, can't just come and go.

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    Getting a Thai spouse foreign citizenship generally means you and your wife intend to live in that country. If that's the case, no worries....you just get her there, live there for the required number of years, take and pass the citizenship test, and you're good.

    If you just want the document, there is no quick fix. It's going to cost you time in the country, and some money.

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    Davis , james , Ozcol ...... thank you .

    My wife is in UK . Speaks on the phone to English people all the time . Watches English Soap Operas ( Eastenders et cetera ) . In other words she's getting by absolutely fine with the language . Goes to the station and reads the timetables and the Underground information . But there's no way in the World she can ever pass the Written Test for Citizenship . ( Not when they're asking questions like " What Year was the Act of Union ? ) !!!!

    But I have dual citizenship and wondered about going back to Australia - however it sounds no simpler for her to acquire an Australian Citizenship.

    Plan squashed .

    But many thanks to you for answering .


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    Wasp: Don't underestimate her. My wife is/was a Filipina, and zipped right through the US citizenship test, missing only one question.

    That's not the tough part...the tough part is having to live there for X number of years before she can take the test.

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    I appreciate your words Davis.

    But she has sat the UK test and there was no chance of her ever passing .

    You and I would struggle .

    Do YOU know how many people sit on a jury in Scotland ? Who the Hell knows that and why do you need to know it ? Stand outside Sainsburys and ask and very very few will know . It's plain stupid .

    And Australia ...... well I really don't want to spend more than 2 months there at any time. So I will let that go .

    But I appreciate what you say .


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    I believe must be in Oz for 3 years, my Mate has put His Thai Wife thru this,

    and my self, been here 50 years but must remain here so many months in a 2 year period to become an Oz.
    too many Chinese roarting the system!

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    My missus is here with me at the moment on a 6 month tourist visa,had no problems getting it took 10 days.
    Different story for spouse or defacto visa a lot of hoops to jump through.
    Like the boys^ said if you get the visa she can't travel outside oz for 2 years if she wants permanent residency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Getting a passport is not just getting a travel document. It means she is an Australian citizen, with all the rights and obligations thereof. Look up a thread by JPPR2 which details fully the three year+ process for his Thai wife to obtain US citizenship. I doubt Australia is much different.

    Forum for this sort of stuff specific to the USA. Painful ...

    VisaJourney - Your US Immigration Community

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    For the Australian citizenship test, the questions are drawn from a 70-odd page document you can download and study. Is there not something similar for the UK test?

    Our questions are "secret", but there are only 200 of them (you get 20 random on the test.) I'd imagine there are websites where people post the questions that were on their test, and they build a list of all questions.

    But the UK sites are likely in Urdu / Hindi / Romanian / Syrian.

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    I got my hands on a copy of the 100 questions on the US exam. They can ask as few as ten, or as many as 100. You need 70% correct to pass.

    My wife was only asked 10. She got 9.

    Apparently, "A huge mistake" was not the correct answer to "What was Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation".

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    Yes bindog . There are webpages with lots of trial questions from the UK test .But the problem isn't just knowing the answers or trying to memorise answers . It's how the questions are phrased that's utterly utterly ridiculous. I would insist - that if you stood outside a supermarket and asked full-blooded English speakers these questions they would just stare at you with a blank face .

    " Adult citizens of the UK, and citizens of the Commonwealth and the Irish Republic who are resident in the UK, can vote in all public elections . True or False . "

    An easy answer but My God that's a difficult bit of English .


    " King Henry VIII's daughter Mary was a devout Catholic and persecuted Protestants, which is why she became known as ...... " .

    How does this have ANYTHING to do with settling into a country and finding a job cleaning in a service industry job ? It would be far more relevant to ask a question about Manchester United . Or Eastenders . Or Big Ben . You're still testing their English . These questions demand an A Level understanding of the language .


    " In 55BC Julius Caesar led a Roman invasion of Britain. It was unsuccessful and for nearly ______ years Britain remained separate from the Roman Empire " !!!!!!

    " When was the first Union flag created? 1506 1556 1606 1656 ? "

    Who knows the answer to that ? I don't know and I don't care . That's not testing your understanding of English . It's a GCE examination in History .

    " Judges can make decisions in disputes about contracts, property or employment rights or after an accident . True False "

    So yes you can look online for assistance but you also need to go to an English Secondary school full-time for 7 years and study medieval History .
    I'm not against testing immigrants basic ability to get by while they learn . But I could write a much fairer language test in about 15 minutes. Imagine if we had to answer similar questions written in Thai and about Thai history !!!!!!

    " The Northern Ireland Assembly has ______ elected members, known as MLAs (members of the Legislative Assembly). 108 118 128 138 . "

    WHO KNOWS ?

    AND WHO GIVES A TOSS ?



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    Why you want to deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    I got my hands on a copy of the 100 questions on the US exam. They can ask as few as ten, or as many as 100. You need 70% correct to pass.

    My wife was only asked 10. She got 9.

    Apparently, "A huge mistake" was not the correct answer to "What was Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation".





    Yes - My wife got 9 right too . Out of 30 . Every answer was a guess .
    If she had know that in England " judges developed 'common law' by a process of tradition and precedence " then she might have got 10 .
    She needed 23 .

    Never stood a chance ..... and had to pay $80 for the test.

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    Question

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    Why you want to deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage?
    Don't know what this means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp
    An easy answer but My God that's a difficult bit of English .
    Might be easy for you! (So, as an Australian citizen would I get a vote in a UK general election if I lived there? )

    I think of that convoluted English as "by committee" - like some of the PFJ skits in Life of Brian - "what have the Romans ever done for us?" (All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? )

    And 'GLBT' - WTF? If they just said "gay" we'd know what they mean, but that might hurt the feelings of some downtrodden drag queen somewhere. Come up with a name that matches 'P.O.O.F' if they must. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)

    I always wonder do they really mean BLT (Bacon Lettuce and Tomato sandwich) and it's a typo.

    Anyway, I can see that I'd get maybe one of those citizenship questions correct right off the bat. Five minutes on Google and I'd be up to 50%. But that's just a few questions and English is my native language.

    Your wife is caught up in the rules trying to stop people rorting the system I'm afraid. Like my government trying to stop pacific islanders pissing off home with an Australian pension in their pocket is making it more difficult for genuine citizens to retire somewhere cheap - like Thailand. Sucks.

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    And I agree with the governments !!

    I completely agree . We've now got 3 Libyan soldiers who were invited here for training who sexually attacked three young women in Cambridge . They were jailed but now they want asylum !!!!!
    And all the attached benefits .

    I agree with governments trying to put a stop to the conniving and lying . But if someone telephoned my wife she can communicate fine ! She did complain one time about Harry Potters flying over our garden so clearly there are flaws in her English .
    But she doesn't NEED to know the years of the Irish potato famine !!!

    Just make it fair.



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    Those questions above in reply number 14 are not for an English test, are they? They are for a citizenship test. Somewhat different beasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp
    I completely agree . We've now got 3 Libyan soldiers who were invited here for training who sexually attacked three young women in Cambridge . They were jailed but now they want asylum !!!!!
    And all the attached benefits .
    In there lays the problem, honest immigrants are penalized and charged money.
    Bad people get it for free, kill, torture, rape, then declare asylum, can't go back, you may be treated unfairly.

    Did a deportation report for an Afghan drug dealer, guys in prison, immigration
    want to know, good or bad crim.

    Guy was a Taliban commander, or so he said, killed and tortured lots of people, if sent back, the families would kill him.
    Granted PR at no cost, state government paid, armed escort to and from immigration, on the taxpayers money.

    After he got out of prison, back to Afghanistan to visit family and no doubt sort out the drug money.

    Honesty doesn't pay, if I get off a plane back in Australia, as a non resident Australian, I get nothing for at least 3 months.
    Throw my passport in the toilet, claim asylum, get free housing, private medical, food etc.

    OZ government may offer me resettlement in Cambodia and 2 years welfare while I settle in, I'll take it, I'm just north of the border.

    System stinks, paying to support scum, while taxing your own into poverty is wrong.

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    Thumbs up

    Wow james !!!

    Of course if you say it like it is then abuse will follow .


    But not from me james. Not from me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Those questions above in reply number 14 are not for an English test, are they? They are for a citizenship test. Somewhat different beasts.
    The point being that if the citizens of the country itself don't know the answers then the questions don't in any way reflect ' citizenness ' . And we don't need to put this to any test . It's blindingly obvious that I can stand in Portsmouth train station , stop people and ask them these questions and they will not know the answers .

    You could give them the whole test and they would fail .

    Do they lose their citizenships ?



    " The Elizabethan period is also remembered for the richness of its poetry and drama, especially the plays and poems of ...........
    Edward Thomas William Blake William Shakespeare Wilfred Owen
    ?"

    I can see the cultural desirability of referencing Shakespeare .... but look at the language of the question .
    This is language that an educated person might use and definitely will understand .
    But it's not the language of a perfectly ordinary person who stands on the terraces at West Brom .
    If an immigrant can reach that standard they are doing well enough .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Those questions above in reply number 14 are not for an English test, are they? They are for a citizenship test. Somewhat different beasts.
    The point being that if the citizens of the country itself don't know the answers then the questions don't in any way reflect ' citizenness ' . And we don't need to put this to any test . It's blindingly obvious that I can stand in Portsmouth train station , stop people and ask them these questions and they will not know the answers .
    I agree, Wasp, 100%.

    Did you know there are also books and booklets available on the topic(s) of the test? I've seen them in WH Smith's at different prices. Here's one of them. It's also available on Amazon.


    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-UK-Test.../dp/1907389202
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    We bought those books . And used them to go through every Trial run question.

    48 Tests . Each had 24 questions .

    Do YOU know when The Habeas Corpus Act became law ?

    " The Habeas Corpus Act became law in ______ 1679 1689 1699 1709 ?"
    Of course you don't know . NOBODY knows .
    And nobody needs to know unless you're studying constitutional Law or training to be a barrister.
    Apparently if you are an under-educated female from Issan who dreams of becoming a medical assistant in a hospital ( a cleaner with a trolley ) you definitely need to know when Habeas Corpus became law.

    " The great thinkers of the Enlightenment were - (Choose any 2 answers)
    Adam Smith Robert Louis Robert Burns David Hume .
    "


    " The group of refugees that settled in England before 1720 were ______
    Bretons Welsh Huguenots Germans"

    " From 1945 to 1950 the major welfare changes introduced were:
    (Choose 2 answers)
    State retirement pension
    National Health Service (NHS)
    A social security system for all
    Employment exchanges
    "

    " The composer George Frederick Handel (1695-1759) was born in ______ and spent many years in the UK and became a British citizen in 1727.
    Hungary Germany Holland Bulgaria
    "

    " Important aspects of the Reform Act of 1832 were:
    (Choose any 2 answers)
    It gave women the vote
    It decreased the power of the monarch
    It abolished rotten boroughs
    It increased the number of people who could vote "



    I've given 6 questions here . I'm sure of just one of them.



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