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    Maps of old Siam and south-east Asia

    lots of old maps being made available on the internet, here's a place to put any interesting ones you find

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    Publisher : HARREVELT,E.van/ CHANGUION,D.J.
    Title : Carte Des Royaumes de Siam, de Runquin, Pegu. Ava..
    Published in Amsterdam, 1773.
    Map incorporates information provided by French Jesuits, of Indochina, Malayan peninsular, Thailand, etc.
    From Atlas Portatif pour servir a l'intelligence de l'Histoire Philosophique et Politique des etablissements et du commerce des Europe'ens dans les deux Indes.

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    Publisher : DE ROSSI, G.
    Title : Penisola dell India di là dal Gange. . .
    Published in Rome, 1683-1688.
    Size : 20.9 x 16.1 inches. / 53.0 x 41.0 cm.

    Giacomo Rossi's fine late 17th century map of Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia and part of Sumatra. Issued in Il Mercurio geografico In lower right hand corner a large title cartouche with dedication to Tavernier and Mandeslo, supported by exotic Asian figures and surmounted by an elephant.
    The cartographer was Giacomo Cantelli da Vignola (1643-1695) who was active in Modena in Italy.
    The principal settlements, mountain ranges and rivers are shown in detail.

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    Publisher : OTTENS, J.
    Title : Le Royaume de Siam avec Les Royaumes Qui Luy sont Tributaries & c. / La Royaume de Siam avec les royaumes qui luy sont Tributaires, et les Isles de Sumatra, Andemaon, etc. . . [two sheet map]
    Published in Amsterdam, 1710.
    Size : 31.9 x 21.7 inches. / 81.0 x 55.2 cm.

    Influential map of Southeast Asia and the East Indies including modern day Thailand, southern Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Borneo, Sumatra and Java. Ottens incorporated information provided by the French Jesuits and charts the route of the French Embassy to and from Siam in 1685-1686 through the Straits of Banca and the Gulf of Siam.
    It was drawn by Joachim Ottens shortly before his death and was published by his sons and later republished by Covens and Mortier.
    The upper map focuses on the territories currently occupied by modern day Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, northern Borneo, and northern Malaysia. With good detail of the Andaman Islands, the Gulf of Thailand (Golfe de Siam) and coastal Vietnam. In the Kingdom of Siam, this map shows the fortress of Bangkok, the ancient Siamese capital of Ayutthaya, royal palace, and the Dutch trading colony. In Cambodia, it details the village of Ponompingn (Phnom Penh), Lewek on Cambodia, and the Dutch trading mission.
    In the seas this map offers numerous depth soundings.

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    Title: Johnson's Hindostan or British India
    Map Maker: Johnson & Ward
    Place / Date: New York / 1864
    Coloring: Hand Colored
    Size: 16 x 13 inches

    Attractive map of India, Ceylon, Birma, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and part of Malaysia and Sumatra.

    Insets of Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. Vignette of Government House and Treasury in Calcutta. Colored by province. Shows towns, islands, rivers, lakes, mountains, etc. Decorative border.

    Alvin Johnson was one of the most significant atlas publishers of the second half of the 19th Century. First with partners Browning and later Ward, and then on his own, he issued his Illustrated Family Atlas from 1860 to the 1880s, following a brief collaborations with Colton in the late 1850s.

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    India Orientalis


    Title: India Orientalis
    Map Maker: Jodocus Hondius
    Place / Date: Amsterdam / 1606
    Size: 19.5 x 14 inches

    One of the finest early Dutch maps of the region, first published in 1606 as one of the 37 new maps engraved for Jodocus Hondius' expanded Dutch edition of the Mercator Atlas.

    Extending from India to the coasts of Southern China with the Pearl River Estuary, Canton and Formosa, it also includes all of the Malay peninsula and Indochina, northern Borneo and the Philippines. The decorative detail includes a large sea monster and an oriental junk in the Bay of Bengal as well as fine scrollwork title & scale cartouches.

    One of the most interesting & unusual features of the Southern Malay peninsula is its dissection in two, the southern part becoming an island just south of Malacca where it is separated from the rest of the peninsula by a large northeasterly channel.

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    superb idea , could we have links to the originals also ?

    thanxs

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    ^ I will where I can/where it is practical; some I just saved to a folder over time when i saw them and now have no idea where they are from, but in most cases I have the map-maker and year, some others are from auction sites; also 'source' may just as likely be someone else's website the cartographers/publishers are well-gone!

    I have created a gallery on TD for them as the auction sites may remove their images once sold and leave us a trail of broken links.
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    fair call

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    They're great. They would look fanastic framed and matted.
    If they are originals they will be very expensive. Do you remember if they are original lithographs or reproductions? So you didn't bookmark the sites where these images came from?

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    Menam (Chao Phraya) River

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    I blame this one for starting this thread - saw the map copy yesterday on display in the museum at the King Taksin The Great Shipyard near the Chanthaburi coast; had not heard of Menam as a name for Chao Phraya before.

    Town/village name of 'Amsterdam' and at the delta 'The Dwelling of The Hollanders'

    I was able to find it on the internet but simply with the description:
    Map of the course of the River Menam from Siam to the Sea
    no information of date, drawn by Monsignor de la Mar (yet)

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    some useful sites

    www.maphist.com

    www.swaen.com

    Old maps gallery

    Barry Lawrence Ruderman Rare Maps Inc

    prices . . . haven't paid much attention, but one on the last site above has a price of US$17,500

    and re sources - eg the one in post #2 Penisola dell India di là dal Gange the first page on Google listed nine sources (and this page - they are fast!) for copies of this map. I've found sources for the earlier posts - 'my' source not necessarily the 'most popular' one.
    Have I created a monster?
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    nice stuff, but many fake antique maps for sale, ive seen them being made.

    as always, buyer beware if its the real thing you're after

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    Have I created a monster?
    Quite possibly , pray it's a friendly one

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    Great Thread Mr. G, even if they are reproductions it is amazing how are ancestors viewed the world through the maps of that time. Some of the continent shapes are interesting due to the lack of survey measures.

    Great idea!

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    I've seen some reproductions at Chatuchak Market.

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    Of the maps above, most have no great value. For example the Johnson map is worth peanuts, (I have a whole unbroken Johnson Atlas that I carted back to Thailand - weighs about 15 kilos)

    The one that is interesting above is the Hondius, - though I personally would say it was an Ortelius. I'd have to look much closer at it.

    The map of Siam that is extremely desirable is the Coronelli from the mid 17th Century. I am always on the look out for one. It seldom comes up at auction in Europe or USA. John Thompson at NT Asset in Sth Sathorn has one on his office wall.

    Its true there are fakes, but you will never get a fake from a place like Swaen's. When you get used to handling old maps, you can learn fast what is fake and what isn't, what has being stained with cold tea and what constitutes genuine ageing and foxing.

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    Here's a couple from my collection.

    FIrst a mid-18th century map of Java by French mapmaker Chatelaine. I got this from Bonhams auctioneers. This is a beauty, (about a metre in length!) with individual mountains shown and all the coastal towns meticulously delineated.






    This one is by Bellin, and is a town plan of Louvo, which is the name given to the town of Lopburi, formerly an important town in Siam.

    I bought this in a Swaen auction.



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    Blaeu's Asia Noviter Delineata. Early 1600s. My best map (so far!)




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    Probably too deep for my pockets, what does an authentic antique map go for?

    Ball Park figure...

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    'Gulf of Bengal' only just touches on Thailand, today's Phuket is Island Junk Seylon


    Carte du Golphe de Bengale
    From Bellin's Le Petit Atlas Maritime, 1764.
    Bellin, Jacques Nicolas, 1703-1772



    The East Part of India, or, India Beyond the R. Ganges
    Moll, Herman. London, 1729.

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    Northern Illinois University holds an extensive collection of rare and historical maps from all over the world from the 16th through 19th centuries. There is a special emphasis on maps from Southeast Asia.
    University Libraries: Rare Books and Special Collections
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    ^The dispersion is enormous.

    The Alan Johnson map (not 'Alvin') above......that is worth, at auction. One pound.

    Others, thousands of pounds. (And on upwards. My 'dream maps' are a Belcher chart of Hong Kong and a Van Linschoten of SE Asia, are both in the $10,000 range - but I don't think I will ever be rich enough to afford them!)

    And a whole lot priced in between !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    ^The dispersion is enormous.

    The Alan Johnson map (not 'Alvin') above......that is worth, at auction. One pound.

    Others, thousands of pounds. (And on upwards. My 'dream maps' are a Belcher chart of Hong Kong and a Van Linschoten of SE Asia, are both in the $10,000 range - but I don't think I will ever be rich enough to afford them!)

    And a whole lot priced in between !
    Thanks for the info.

    Once again this could turn out to be like Rural Surins pictures thread. Great idea Mr. G

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    I got a nice print at the Jim Thompson House several years ago that is hanging in my old office in the US. Had it framed and glassed - got a lot of compliments on it.

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    Almost thirty years ago, when I lived in India, if you dug through enough of the old, dusty, secondhand book stores, you could find terrific British colonial era maps of India. I also had a guy who used to come around to the house every now and then with some quite nice ones. I don't really have any idea if they were original or not - I kind of doubt it - but they were certainly interesting and looked very nice framed in the office. Now that I have thought of them for the first time in years, I will start trying to find out where I stashed them. They may be in a box around the house, or they may have gone the way of many other things - with the ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    superb idea , could we have links to the originals also ?

    thanxs
    Yes, nice! Has possibilities!

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