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Old 20-11-2011, 12:13 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I I've been thinking about that, and I doubt that he did actual call the police in - just unlikely; maybe a neighbour who spotted it on video or a maid who got untied (was untied), maybe a security guard? But for the guy himself to call the police??? Doesn't seem likely it that scenario - but, we'll never know.

He won't be done, it's just a matter of who can get involved and how much of the money they can get.

One thing is for sure - if he did call the police then the money had already been moved by him; how much has been found so far from the theives? About 9 million? There's no case for him to answer if that's all they have... They'll be needing to find very large sums of money before they can even attempt to prosecute, and they won't want to, it'll be used for political leverage and getting some cash - there is no sense of a need for justice here from the people involved; just money and power realignment...
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Bangkok Post : Watchdog to mull Supoj wealth probe

Watchdog to mull Supoj wealth probe The anti-corruption watchdog will meet on Tuesday to decide whether to investigate Supoj Saplom for being unusually wealthy, following the arrest yesterday of a fifth suspect in the daring robbery of the transport official's home.

National Anti-Corruption Commission spokesman Klanarong Chanthik said a committee would be formed to probe the permanent secretary for transport's finances if the commissioners unanimously agree with the allegations.

Suspects arrested over the theft allegedly told police they took 200 million baht from Mr Supoj's home during the robbery earlier this month. The amount retrieved so far totals 12.7 million baht.

Mr Supoj insists the stolen money came from a wedding dowry for his daughter, but has declined to say how big the amount was.

Mr Klanarong said preliminary checks showed Mr Supoj had declared his assets 16 times since 2002, when he was a member of the Airport of Thailand's board of directors.

High-ranking government officials are required to declare their assets annually but unlike those of politicians, officials' assets declarations are not made public, said Mr Klanarong.

Mr Supoj refused to comment yesterday on reports that Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit had ordered him transferred to an inactive post pending an investigation into his wealth.

A fifth suspect in the burglary yesterday turned himself in to police along with 900,000 baht in cash. Somboon Riyathen, 40, who was wanted on an arrest warrant in connection with the burglary, surrendered at Chiang Rai's Mae Chan district.

Four other have been arrested, carrying with them 11.8 million baht.

The transport official alerted the police on Nov 12 that his house had been broken into about 9pm and 12 million baht was missing. Mr Supoj was away at the time of the robbery and the thieves tied up three maids at the house in Lat Phrao Soi 64 in Bangkok's Wang Thonglang district.

Two of the suspects caught on Thursday said they made off with more than 200 million baht in cash. Police said the men also claimed that when they broke into Mr Supoj's house, they found between 700 million baht and one billion baht stashed away in bags. Police have not commented on the amount of money taken during the robbery.

The alleged burglars arrested on Thursday _ Singthong Jaichuenchom 44, and Saokaew Namwong, 59 _ were caught with 2.8 million baht cash.

On Friday, two more suspects were caught. They were identified yesterday as Wanankrit Butrkanha, 40, who was caught in Nakhon Phanom with nine million baht cash, and Boonsueb Jomjan, 44, who was nabbed in Phitsanulok.

The police are still hunting three other suspects, identified as Wirasak Chuelee, 36, Khamnuan Meknoi, 38, and Phongsak Namwong, 35.
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All main actors in this scenario have changed their stories, several times.

Supoj,......................regarding the sum involved,

Police.......................regarding the sum involved.

Arrested suspects.......regarding the sum involved.

To date, the primary witnesses to the event, the maids, have not made a public statement regarding the event.
They were allegedly subject to assault and illegal confinement by the suspects.

Strange.

The likely result is that a cover up will occur.

The metamorphosing sum of money involved will likely be further metamorphosed until it will bear no relevance to the probe.

A win-win-win solution.
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Five more held by police over robbery at Supoth's mansion - The Nation

Five more held by police over robbery at Supoth's mansion

The Nation November 21, 2011 1:06 am


Bt16m seized amid claims of plot to expose official's 'crimes'


Three more men have been arrested and two surrendered yesterday - including the alleged mastermind - after a gang broke into the home of the top Transport Ministry official last week and made off with millions of baht.

The money was part of more than Bt1 billion that the suspects claim to have found at the home of Transport permanent secretary Supoth Sablom.

Somboon Riyaten, 40, reported to police in Chiang Rai, while Wanankrit Butkanha, 40, Bunseub Jomkan, 44, and Wuthichai Panthawari, 33, were arrested and some Bt16.5 million seized, police said yesterday.

The alleged ringleader, Chayathat Jannachai, 34, also turned himself in to police along with his mother, Chutima Janphong, who previously served as Supoth's secretary.

Both were questioned by police, but Chayathat reportedly denied any wrongdoing. Police sources said Chayathat was angry with Supoth, who allegedly fired Chutima six months ago. They believe he plotted the burglary to expose Supoth.

Earlier, two other men were arrested with gold and cash worth almost Bt3 million. They told police they believed more than Bt1 billion - assumed to be ill-gotten - was stashed at Supoth's mansion.

Police believe more than 10 people were involved in the crime.

They said they had been contacted by Lersak Wiriyakrasap, 51, from Kanchanaburi, about turning in Bt1.5 million in cash that he was holding on request for one of the burglars.

Pol General Panupong Singhara, a deputy police chief, said that four men had confessed to conspiring to do the robbery and that four others were still at large - Weerasak Chualee, 36, one of the suspected gang leaders, Pongsak Namwong, 35, Kamnuan Meknoi, 38, and Prapan Ruangkrua, 32.

Panupong said the gang leader had divided the stolen money up among many people in various places. Police have publicly announced that anyone keeping money for the gang to return it to police or face legal action.

Panupong said Chayatat, 33, had been the key police informant. He surrendered late yesterday.

Police found that Chayatat, who was close to Bunseub, had asked Bunseub to recruit members to take part in the crime. Bunseub contacted the gang leader to search for more men.

Panupong said police had not found any evidence implicating state officials, but did find that one of the suspects, Singthong, alias Seh Kai, was often called by gang members as Seh, denoting a military rank, even though he was not a military official.

Somboon said he was a farmer in Chiang Rai and approached by Singthong to do some work in Bangkok. He said he accepted the job, without knowing it was to rob Supoth's house.

He only knew about the burglary when he and five others broke into Supot's house. He said he went into the living room and saw three paper boxes in the closet with a lot of money. He took one box, which contained Bt3 million in cash, and saw two bags in a trolley, which he believed were filled with cash.

He said Weerasak, the gang leader, asked for Bt50,000 out of the Bt3 million he got from the box before they fled.

Following last week's break-in at his Bangkok home, Supoth was transferred to an inactive post on Friday. He is now the subject of probes into his wealth by the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the Anti-Money Laundering Office.

A Transport Ministry source said the break-in at Supoth's house was plotted by a former official upset at Supoth for transferring her to an inactive post at the Highways Department. The angry ex-official who later left the post was allegedly a close aide who knew Supoth "inside out". The pair had conflicts later.

"Many people believe the conflict between the two made the ex-official plot the burglary to expose Supoth's [alleged] wrongdoings. The burglars accepted to commit the crime, as they believed they would only be jailed a few years [if caught]. The burglary would link those involved with the money,'' the source alleged.
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Bangkok Post : Man didn't realise B1.5m was stolen

Man didn't realise B1.5m was stolen A man yesterday returned 1.5 million baht in cash to police after learning from media reports the money left with him by an acquaintance was cash stolen from permanent secretary for transport Supoj Saplom's house.


Phanupong Singhara na Ayudhya, second right, holds a press conference about the arrests of four suspects allegedly involved in a robbery at the house of Supoj Saplom. KOSOL NAKACHOL

Lersak Wiriyakasap, 51, a Kanchanaburi native, told police he was given the money from a man later identified as the leader of the gang that broke into Mr Supoj's house on Nov 12, deputy national police chief Phanupong Singhara na Ayudhya said.

Mr Lersak insisted he was not aware that the money left with him by Weerasak Chualee, 36, had been stolen, Pol Gen Phanupong said.

Pol Maj Gen Winai Thongsong, acting commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, who is also investigating the robbery case, said police did not charge Mr Lersak as a suspect.

Pol Maj Gen Winai said no arrest warrant had been issued for Mr Lersak.

Pol Maj Gen Winai said Mr Lersak returned home after he surrendered the money to the police.

Last week Mr Supoj told police his house had been broken into and 12 million baht was missing.

But one of the two suspects arrested on Thursday told police that when he and five other men broke into the house, they found an estimated 700 million to 1 billion baht stashed away in bags.

Mr Supoj has rejected claims that such a large amount of money had been kept in his house.

He insisted the accusation was intended to discredit him.

It remains unclear how much money had been stolen.

Meanwhile, Chayatat Channachai, 33, surrendered to police yesterday.

National police chief Pol Gen Priewpan Damapong said Mr Chayatat was a son of a retired civil servant and that police had evidence that he had supplied information about Mr Supoj's house to the robbery gang.

Pol Gen Priewpan said he could not reveal any more details about the suspect's involvement.

As Mr Supoj now faces an investigation as a result of the robbers' claims into whether he is "unusually wealthy", he has been transferred to an inactive post.

The National Anti-Corruption Commission will meet tomorrow to decide whether to investigate Mr Supoj's alleged unusual wealth.

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In the EU this would not be reported, there is no one who would be in position to do so
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How do you arrive at that supposition?
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The magically metamorphosing mounds of money!

There ought to be a book written on the phenomenon, it would be a best seller!

Literally fly off the shelves, on golden wings.
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You have to wonder, do they look miserable because they have been caught by the police and are looking at serious jail time. Or is it the thought that they pissed off a nasty piece of work, who still has more than enough money to not even notice the amount needed to make whats left of their lives short, miserable and brutal?
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^ I think they're more pissed off because they only stashed a few hundy K baht each, one sucker reckoned he only got 50,000 baht!.

The sums retrieved tell a little story, lumps of a few grand missing off separste piles, etc.

They must have really panicked at the size of the haul.

Wonder what the cops are going to admit it to be, after the dust and scrabbling has settled down, when boss walks in and sarge yells,
"Squad 'shun!" and they all fall all over the place trying to look right?!!!

All pointing the finger at each other,"It woz im a im not me, no sarge!" etc.

What a circus!

The maids coughing yet?
Pro'lly no need, knew what was going down all along!
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^^I could easerly imagine that he managed to accumulate the money though run of the mill dishonestly, rather than pilfering from the redshirts.

remember, this is a very tiny fraction of the money going though the ministry of transport
You must admit Hazz this does rather prove my earlier point. The senior bureaucrats are the real mandarins - the politicians must pander to them (for their own corruption to take effect). This is why the Amartyathipithai system must be dismantled.

I think we all know nothing will happen to this guy - and it woulddn't matter which party was in power.
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^sorry, its the other way round. the civil servants have very little authority to decide much, that is the domain of politicians. I believe that even PR permits are ultimately granted or not by the interior minister personally. The civil servants sign stuff off, thus their ability to sell that rubber stamp and signature. Essential cogs in the process of fleecing the tax payer, but the real money is with the politicians and their business colleges.

Quite right nothing will happen to him, but then he knows his place and whats expected of him. Thats valuable to all political parties
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^ positions are not that relevant, it's status within the patronage system. Many factors affect the status level: historic factors, family name, titles and connections to ####, wealth, ability to make others wealthy, power within institutions (there are many different institutions involved), the list goes on...

I see that the money is already going down... As I suggested in an earlier post, if 50+ million is not seen to be found then it will all be wedding gifts, etc, and he won't be done.

Also, some 'thieves' say the money was found in the bedroom, some say it was found in the living room...

It may come down to (hence why the army/dems were so desperate to put their people in every possible position: governors, senators, judges, civil servants (including this chap...), the list goes on) the political affiliations of the people in the senior positions of the bodies involved - lots of people will be pulling in different positions, and the dems/army/banharn/nevin group still seem to have a firm grip on many positions of power, but that doesn't mean they will be working together... If this is a newin related deal then it may come down to whether the others really want to screw him (PT might, but banharn/dems probably wouldn't) or just move the pieces to their advantage; the later is the normal process within a patronage system. Justice and putting wrongdoers in prison comes a very distant 2nd (3rd, 4th,...99th...) to empowering oneself.

This is yet another excellent example of how the patronage system needs to be totally dismantled.

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Don't Thai criminals have any imagination or sense of urgency? This story has been in the press for days meaning those who were just arrested must have known their caper had gone bad and they were wanted by the police. I would have gotten at least as far as laos or Cambodia with my share of the money.
What did they do, just sit and wait for the police?
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^sorry, its the other way round. the civil servants have very little authority to decide much, that is the domain of politicians. I believe that even PR permits are ultimately granted or not by the interior minister personally. The civil servants sign stuff off, thus their ability to sell that rubber stamp and signature. Essential cogs in the process of fleecing the tax payer, but the real money is with the politicians and their business colleges.

Quite right nothing will happen to him, but then he knows his place and whats expected of him. Thats valuable to all political parties
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When Supoj was shifted to new his inactive post his boss said that it was his duty to sympathise with him over the matter, that the creep was hurting etc.

That fact bears out your hypothesis that the amataia closed ranks will support him.
Agree about the bureaucracy, you can change the party in power, but the bureaucracy remains.

same in UK, NZ, US. China, India, everywhere. All conservative, all pro status quo.
That;s how they maintain their graft.

Same with the judiciary, who will now have to deal with it.

I'll bet it's hurting.

He'll never get over this loss of face.

Supoj's underling, the lady who's son organized the heist really had it in for him for sacking her. She was a bureaucrat also, a lifelong devotion to her position that she probably paid heaps to get, phony business degree and all.

She lost face mak mak.

Stupid man, didn't he know never to cross an ambitious woman ?

Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned, for sure.
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^ positions are not that relevant, it's status within the patronage system. Many factors affect the status level: historic factors, family name, titles and connections to ####, wealth, ability to make others wealthy, power within institutions (there are many different institutions involved), the list goes on...
To seriously cream the tax payer and more importantly to get away with it even if you are found out; you don't need a huge number of people involved, but you do need people in a disparate number of positions throughout parliament, the civil service and business. A patronage network is an ideal way to get people who would otherwise have nothing to do with each other to work together.

getting rid of patronage networks is a wonderful idea and the only way I can see for that is by making the risks of doing whats necessary to be part of patronage network too high. For the forceable future I cannot see how this could be practically achieved, given all sides believe that double standards are a privilege they are entitled too.

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He'll never get over this loss of face.
he has been punished by being given a 60 billion baht flood reconstruction budget to oversee, not much loss of face in that.
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^ Hazz I think we will see further developments as the Anti Corruption Commission crawls through the paper trail.

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I think you're onto it.
The maids called the cops, they were in on it with the other lady, the one who got fired.
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I won't be holding my breath. People like him only go down when they are guilty and someone with serious clout wants them done. I don't see that here, yet anyway.

What a paper trail. you mean receipt books?, saying things like:

received with thanks, 4 million baht.
authorising illegal compensation payment to construction contract.
paid by Khun verycurruptbastard
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^ he don't think he'll be done. He's a vehicle for others to regroup, rearrange and redistribute money and power.
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^Nothing as obvious.

Serial numbers of bank note, DNA, pollen and chemical signatures on notes, are some of the trails.
Scribbles on notes as well as finger/palm prints.
These are some of the kinds of trails currently being examined by forensic scientists/pathologists/investigators in NZ.

All it takes is a lab and a small team.

Forensic auditors are getting smarter by the day, and grapho-analysis is common.

The tools and skills exist, all that is required is the go ahead from a senior investigator, and the political will which I think is as yet not there in Thailand.

Supoj can be proven to be corrupt quite easily.

But who is going to gain by authorising a full forensic investigation?
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^ yes he CAN be, nobody denies that.

Culturally, he CANNOT be. The system is thoroughly rotten, it is designed to be that way. The more rotten it is, the more folk involved in the rot, the more impossible it becomes to prosecute any of the rot. It's a house of cards with some very 'important' folk at the top; they cannot be allowed to fall or be seen to fall.

It has been this way for a long long time and will continue to be this way for a fair while yet.

To our mind, it's totally rotten and unfair, but as Hazz pointed out well, to the mind of the people in the system (and that's almost everyone who has any power or status in Thailand) then the patronage system is very functional, works effectively and cannot be allowed to fail.
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If it's true, I bet there will be some guys looking over their shoulders right now, some sleepless nights
 
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he has been punished by being given a 60 billion baht flood reconstruction budget to oversee, not much loss of face in that.
Not exactly "oversee" (let alone "control" as suggested before) -
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Mr Yongyuth, however, said he had transferred Mr Supoj to the PM's Office so he could help consider the Transport Ministry's flood recovery budget worth 40-50 billion baht.
But, aside from whatever technical/background knowledge he might arguably offer, it does also look like there's some element of protecting his status - yes, "face" if you like - while the investigation proceeds. Otherwise, we'd presumably have seen the familiar "inactive post" phrase being used.
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