Thread: Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared:moves afoot to bring down government

It would be nice to dismiss the rantings of Jatuporn et al, but considering just in the last few days you've had the remnants of the PAD publicly calling for another illegal and unconstitutional seizure of power, it is not possible to do so.

I think it is high time for the Democrats, and all other political parties, to publicly repudiate Coup, and publicly state that they will not accept being appointed to political power by any other means besides those mandated in the legal Constitution.

^ Thats nice, and I believe he means what he says ('born again', you might say)- but the rest of us, however, know what the extent of Mark's real power is. A politician giving his opinion, while welcome, is one thing- but what is required is for the Democrat party and others to publicly state this as a policy, and to amend their charters accordingly..

Originally Posted by Thaihome

A bit late for saying Thaksin should not getting involved, don't you think?

Yes, a bit late for sure, after he kicked PAD-ass in an election.

But it doesn't deter them from whining about it.

This is particularly ridiculous when they bleat about Constitution revision being one-man centric, when their coup constitution created this one-man centricity in the first place.

A little bit like the American Tea Party accusing Obama of doing nothing, when they prevented him from doing anything.

Trying to remove PAD paranoid one-man centricity from the constitution will be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by Thaihome

A bit late for saying Thaksin should not getting involved, don't you think?

Yes, a bit late for sure, after he kicked PAD-ass in an election.

But it doesn't deter them from whining about it.

This is particularly ridiculous when they bleat about Constitution revision being one-man centric, when their coup constitution created this one-man centricity in the first place.

A little bit like the American Tea Party accusing Obama of doing nothing, when they prevented him from doing anything.

Trying to remove PAD paranoid one-man centricity from the constitution will be fun to watch.

You obviously have no idea what I am talking about.
TH

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Was the English Civil War 'Illegal & Unconstitutional'? - Yes it was. Does that mean it should be reversed and the UK should go back to a Monarchy? Of course not.

eeemmm
1. It probably was illegal, unconstitutional.... has england ever had a formal constitution?
2. thats what happened, we decided that a variation of the old system was better than having the english Taliban running the country.

Originally Posted by Calgary

Yes, a bit late for sure, after he kicked PAD-ass in an election.

you really don't know what that entire conversation about future events and mr taksin was about. you have some really serious holes in your knowledge of thailand....

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Was the English Civil War 'Illegal & Unconstitutional'? - Yes it was. Does that mean it should be reversed and the UK should go back to a Monarchy? Of course not.

eeemmm
1. It probably was illegal, unconstitutional.... has england ever had a formal constitution?

No. There is no written constitution.

Originally Posted by hazz

2. thats what happened, we decided that a variation of the old system was better than having the english Taliban running the country.

Actually it wasn't "we" who decided that. It was the Nobles who decided that. They did a deal with the English King that they'd back him as long as he took his hand out of their pockets. As for the eventual emergence of a House of Commons it was a sop by the Lords to head off another attempt at republic.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Was the English Civil War 'Illegal & Unconstitutional'? - Yes it was. Does that mean it should be reversed and the UK should go back to a Monarchy? Of course not.

eeemmm
1. It probably was illegal, unconstitutional.... has england ever had a formal constitution?

No. There is no written constitution.

Originally Posted by hazz

2. thats what happened, we decided that a variation of the old system was better than having the english Taliban running the country.

Actually it wasn't "we" who decided that. It was the Nobles who decided that. They did a deal with the English King that they'd back him as long as he took his hand out of their pockets. .

Hang on a second - you (in the last bit) are talking about the Magna Charta, initially written in about 1215 which was forced on King John by the barons.

Hazz seems to be talking about the civil war (1640 - 1650 ish) and, I assume, the eventual return to the monarchy system under Charles II (1660 ish), albeit with the "consent" of parliament.

Given that the events you are talking about are separated by more than 400 years - there might be some crossed wires going on.....

Bangkok Post : Sukumpol: Stop asking about a coup

Sukumpol: Stop asking about a coup

• Published: 24/01/2012 at 02:01 PM
• Online news:

The media should stop asking about the possibility of another coup because nobody wants to do it, and it is not easy anyway, new Defence Minister Sukumpol Suwanatat said on Tuesday.

ACM Sukampol said this after attending a ceremony at the Defence Ministry to bid farewell for Gen Yutthasak Sasiprapa, the former defence minister who has been appointed deputy prime minister, and to welcome him as new defence minister.

The ceremony was also attended by Gen Sathian Permthong-in, the permanent secretary for defence, Gen Thanasak Patimaprakorn, the supreme commander, Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha, the army commander, Admiral Surasak Roonroengrom, the navy commander, ACM Itthiporn Suphawong, the air force commander, and other top-ranking military officers.

In his speech to the top brass, ACM Sukampol said he would look into policies laid by Gen Yutthasak, his predecessor, to see what should be reviewed and what should to be continued, taking into consideration the need for the military to safeguard national security and provide assistance to people in need of help.

Concerning the navy's proposal to buy used submarines, the new defence minister said he would look into the purchase plan.

He said there should be no problems if the navy was able to clearly explain it to him and the people why they were needed.

However, the people must also understand that the military could not disclose every detail of its plans because some information was necessarily classified.

ACM Sukumpol said that while having breakfast with the supreme commander and chiefs of the armed forces the issues of unity and reconciliation were raised for discussion.

"I would like to ask the media not to raise the question about a coup with me or any other military leaders again. Let's stop raising this question.

"Please do not asked about it anymore because the answer would be the same, that nobody wants to do it.

"I have seen the army chief repeatedly assure the press about this three or four times. It's boring.

"Nobody wants to do it . It's not easy to do. Let's not raise this question again. Please stop saying that there is speculation about it," the defence minister said.

ACM Sukumpol reiterated that he had no problems with ACM Itthiporn, the air force chief.

Asked about the military reshuffle, he said he had not thought about this matter.

ACM Sukumpol said it is important and necessary for him to assume the role of a coordinator between the political sector and the military.

"Political interference in the military affairs is normal. What is of importance is cooperation," he said.

Sondhi, ex-army adviser accused | Bangkok Post: news

Sondhi, ex-army adviser accused

• Published: 26/01/2012 at 01:18 PM
• Online news:

A lawyer for the United Front for the red-shirt Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) on Thursday filed a police complaint against Sondhi Limthongkul, co-leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), and Gen Boonlert Kaewprasit, a former adviser to the army, accusing them of inciting unrest in the country.

Karom Polthaklang, chairman of of the Confederation of Lawyers for Democracy and Society, filed the complaint with Pol Col Prasopchok Prommoon, deputy commander of the Crime Suppression Division.

The lawyer said comments made by the two men on Jan 20 and 21 about military coups had violated Sections 114, 115 and 116(2) of the Criminal Code.

In his comment, Mr Sondhi, founder of the Manager Group and PAD core member, said there was now a movement afoot with the aim to overthrow the country's main institution. Mr Sondhi said he wondered why the military could stay indifferent and did not come out to protect the institution.

Mr Karom said Mr Sondhi's call for the military to seize power was against the law.

Gen Boonlert, alias Seh Ai, a friend of Privy Councillor and former prime minister Surayud Chulanont, also questioned why the military had not done anything about the attempt to amend Section 112 of the Criminal Code, or the lese majeste law, and offend the high institution.

The UDD lawyer said Gen Boonlert also called for the people and the military to seize power from the government.

Both Mr Sondhi and Gen Boonlert, in making such comments, were unlawfully making a threat against the government and inciting the people and the military to commit treason.

If the soldiers did come out and do so, they would certainly face resistance from the red-shirts, he said.

Since the present conditions were now unfavourable for any move to amend Section 112 there should instead be a proposal to add a clause, which might be Section 112/1, to the Criminal Code, imposing a penalty on people who wrongfully accused others of lese majeste, to prevent persecution, Mr Karom said.

^1. I was attempting to be rhetorical, I obviously failed.

2. I think you will find that the fundamentalist christians that had taken control of england post civil war, had in their attempts to enforce a christian utopia managed to piss off just about the entire population that the restoration was seen as an improvement, as would have been just about any type of government.

Lets be honest by the time of the restoration olivia and his son had become kings under a different name, betraying the ideals of the revolution that came out of the civil war, just as all revolutions ultimately are. I used we, in the sense that the restoration happened because very very few people were prepared to fight to keep the commonwealth, such was the disillusionment; if even a small part of the population or a reasonable amount of the commonwealth army had been prepared to fight, the restoration would have failed.

You didn't fail. I just figured that it needed to be explained (not everyone would know that).

Particually true when you consider the op is about on of jatuporn's many announcments that someone wants to bring down the government.

Yes, it seems things have gone a bit..

Abhisit tells govt to silence Jatuporn | Bangkok Post: news

Abhisit tells govt to silence Jatuporn

• Published: 5/02/2012 at 12:03 PM
• Online news:

The government and Pheu Thai Party should warn Jatuporn Prompan, a core member of the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), against causing distrust and conflict among people in society with his comments, Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.

Mr Abhisit, the opposition leader, was referring to daily comments made in his interviews with the press by Mr Jatuporn, a Pheu Thai Party list MP, that there had been a movement to topple the government and the Nitirat group of lecturers had been intimidated over the proposed reform of the lese majeste law or Article 112 of the Criminal Code.

He said Mr Jatuporn should stop causing distrust and conflict among people in society.

If Mr Jatuporn saw anything unusual such as intimidation of any group of people he should inform the government or authorities concerned instead of trying to raise it an issue to arouse suspicion.

In this situation, all people should give a helping hand to push the country forward because the government itself is now in the position to do so, Mr Abhisit said.

"What he (Mr Jatuporn) is doing is an attempt to maintain the red shirts' mass support base, probably for a certain purpose. This could make it more difficult for the government to handle the country's administration.

"Those who are working hard, especially cabinet members, should warn people in the party not to spoil the country's atmosphere and to stop inciting conflict," said the opposition leader.

tulsathit tulsathit

TR @satien_nna: Jatuporn claims US intelligence foresees a Thai coup within April. cc @kristiekenney

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Jatuporn claims US intelligence foresees a Thai coup within April.

Yes, because US intelligence agencies are well known for sharing their assessments with foreign powers....

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Jatuporn claims US intelligence foresees a Thai coup within April.

Yes, because US intelligence agencies are well known for sharing their assessments with foreign powers....

Well since they couldn't keep 27 zillion secret cables 'secret' - then maybe you ought to suspend your disbelief that Jatuporn might know something you don't?

Originally Posted by Bangkok Post

Abhisit tells govt to silence Jatuporn

and Sondhi ?

Abhisit , you really are a disappointment and your western education was an obvious waste .

Kettle calling the pot black comes to mind

A serious disapointment when you consider that if he had been paying attention to his enviroment during years at uni and school he would better placed than anyone to start implementing the changes the dems need to do to become electable, not that i think itis possible since the supream court fixed their future.

Oh well many thais have received education abroad and gained great prestige and wealth for their families and then jetisoned the foundation of freedom of speech, democracy and the right for all men to be treated equal. In'it.

'Reverting to type' comes to mind