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Old 12-09-2011, 10:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The people should be prepared for a new round of political crisis which may occur in six months because the Pheu Thai-led government has abused its power for the benefits of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party deputy spokesman Atthaporn Polabutr said on Sunday.
So that vindicates Jatuporn's claim then..
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so did the thaksin government, but it did not prevent the last coup.

the one thing i learned during my stay in thailand was never to underestimate the unpredictability of the place.
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Fair comment.

yes, pulling a coup would be a stupid thing to do, but then stupidity has never stopped them before.
It hasn't stopped "pupa" posting either!

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...and do not forget who "they" have on their side, which means a coup could be justified with a simple endorsement and back to square one again.
Not sure this hasn't changed not least looking back at the last mess the military made of trying to run the country, not to mention increased drug taking and increased corruption. Maybe the amart have realised "better the devil you know"?

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thailand has an army which seems to ignore the fact that they have a duty to support the government of the day (well, in a normal democracy this would be the case), and until this issue is sorted out, the threat of a coup at any time is very real.
It's an issue for sure but I for one believe it's a reduced threat at this time and the reason I say this is....even HISO Thais were beginning to tire of the lies and corruption exhibited by the last regime!
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Democrat Party deputy spokesman Atthaporn Polabutr warned that people “should be prepared for a new round of political crisis which may occur in six months
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Finally, Atthaporn called for Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, with only a month in office, to go. Otherwise, “this government would meet growing resistance from various sectors of society.”
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Already has since and well before this government took over!

Should Atthaporn simply be dismissed as a lunatic who can’t get over the fact that the Democrat Party can never win an election?
Yes, but a lunatic who believes by spinning the same old tiresome rhetoric (lies) that he can once again achieve the status he deserves! Like so many of the Dems "true legends in their own minds"!

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There can be little doubt that the anti-Thaksin elite are already at work, plotting and scheming.
There isn't but forewarned is forearmed and very few people were forewarned prior to the 2006 coup.

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Second, the Democrat Party has repeatedly shown that it does not respect the electoral process, so no electoral defeat, no matter how large, will be respected.
They never have and never will respect any electoral process, maybe it's time to remind them exactly what a democratic process is really about?

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Third, the Democrat Party has a long history of relying on decidedly undemocratic forces to lift it to government
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For Atthaporn and his party, the election defeat is just a bump in the road, and can soon be overcome with anti-Thaksin propaganda, rhetoric and by getting the yellow-shirted media, intellectuals and organizers in motion.
A subjective opinion for sure and I for one believe it's wrong!
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people. Well, it isn't. The manufactured Uproar reverberates in very small, self reinforcing circles only.

Fact is, as even a notoriously biased and amateurish Poll organisation let slip (Suan dive or Abac, who cares, using a biased sample group), Thaksin returning or getting amnesty is very low on their list of concerns.
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people.
Not only Thais listen to that hollow drum unfortunately so do many ignorant farangs!
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people.
Not only Thais listen to that hollow drum unfortunately so do many ignorant farangs!

Dunno - to paraphrase from some where, the only ignorant people are the ones who think there is a clean end to the turd known as thai politics....
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Dunno - to paraphrase from some where, the only ignorant people are the ones who think there is a clean end to the turd known as politics....
Fixed that one for you!
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people
are we really out of touch ? let's see

on one end, we have drunken peasants looking for a savior to put an end to their misery,

on the other, we have a group of hard working people seeing what the savior is all about and who want a better Thailand based on the rule of law and good business environment

the divide in Thailand is not only politics, it's mostly economic, with one party manipulating a crowd of poor people by making them believe they will be better off tomorrow economically if he is let to return
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people. Well, it isn't. The manufactured Uproar reverberates in very small, self reinforcing circles only.

Fact is, as even a notoriously biased and amateurish Poll organisation let slip (Suan dive or Abac, who cares, using a biased sample group), Thaksin returning or getting amnesty is very low on their list of concerns.
Do you mean this one?

Bangkok Post : Thaksin should butt out, Abac poll finds

Thaksin should butt out, Abac poll finds Most people want ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra to distance himself from politics in Thailand and give his sister, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, a free hand in managing the country, a poll has found.

Abac Poll, conducted by Assumption University, last week asked 2,193 Thais in 17 provinces what they think about the Pheu-Thai led government's proposal to amend the constitution and the chances of reconciliation.

According to the poll, 68.9% of respondents said they wanted Thaksin to stop his political activities and let Ms Yingluck do her job by herself; 20.5% said the former premier should have a role in helping the country and its people; while 10.6% thought the man could do what he liked.

Asked if the government was pandering to Thaksin, 40.9% agreed while 19.7% believed the government was truly adhering to the nation's interest.

Regarding the government's plans to amend the charter, 53% of respondents disagreed with the plan, 55% thought the move was intended to serve a particular interest, and 76.9% regarded the amendment as not an urgent issue. But 46.7% supported the charter amendment and 44.9% thought it was for the benefit of the majority. About 51% held out no hope of national reconciliation, while 48.7% said they still had hope.
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^ Nope, I mean the one where a group of chosen 'concerned citizens' (or words to that effect) in the Bangkok area were asked their concerns. The question of Amnesty for Thaksin was very low, about 4th or 5th from memory.
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I suppose I can understand red shirt paranoia, but I can't understand why any nefarious element would be so utterly stupid as to try and bring down this elected government, which possesses a very safe absolute majority. Thats suicidal. Logically speaking, the day of the military and judicial coup should be behind Thailand.
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we have drunken peasants
Which presumably encompasses all of Thailand except the south.
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who want a better Thailand based on the rule of law and good business environment
Indeed- so after the utter corruption and turmoil of the last five years, is it any wonder they voted for change in the second largest landslide victory in Thai history?
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The totally out of touch and partisan Bangkok media repetitively bangs one hollow drum after another, and thinks it is getting through to the Thai people. Well, it isn't. The manufactured Uproar reverberates in very small, self reinforcing circles only.
This is true. But the problem is that this little circle controls key instituitions and is not interested in what the majority (whether it is 51% or 99.9%) think...
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UPDATE : 16 September 2011

September 19 will be the 5th anniversary of Thailand's most recent military coup. The coup may not be the last one that we will see as long as the country is still occupied by corrupt politicians and irresponsible citizens, who are unable to distinguish right from wrong.

In fact, both military coups and crooked officials are equally undesirable. However, when asked what ordinary citizens can do to oust crooked politicians, the idealist scholars would simply say that first, the people, as voters, need to stop appointing them to power in the first place. Then, another question is posed, what can the people do if virtually all politicians are debauched?

Do the people have the power to deal with bad politicians? The answer is “yes” on the condition that they must be well informed and put the common interests above of their own. Most importantly, they must learn how to be shamed by evil deeds.

How many Thai people have such character? Many of them would claim it is okay to vote for corrupt politicians, keep their mouths shut and stay put as long as they also get a piece of the pie.

Everyone needs to look back at how Thailand has been faring during the past 20 to 30 years, have there been more bad or good politicians? How many statesmen and tyrants have we had? How much has Thailand been damaged? How many misled innocent people have been injured or killed.

We may not have to look back very far. Out of all the politicians and officials in power at the moment, how many of them are truly honest and qualified to run the country. At the same time, how many of them should face criminal charges?

By considering the where the country is heading, those who have been closely following the news would know that there is a military coup in the air. As long as Thailand is still be ruled by shameless and irresponsible crooked politicians, we will never be able to escape military coups.

Taken from Editorial Section, Naewna Newspaper, Page 3, September 16, 2011

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on the other, we have a group of hard working people seeing what the savior is all about and who want a better Thailand based on the rule of law and good business environment
Priceless "pupa" absolutely priceless...keep em coming!
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Red-shirts throughout should prepare for a new round of struggle because a movement to bring down the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is likely to emerge and go into action after Dec 5, Pheu Thai party list MP and red-shirt core member Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday.

Mr Jatuporn said in parliament that the information about a movement to topple the government came from the UDD's intelligence network.

The movement involved politicians now in parliament and members of an old power clique. It would coordinate activities aimed at bringing down the government, the same way it had sucessfully toppled the governments of Thaksin Shinawatra, Samak Sundaravej and Somchai Wongsawat.

Leading figures in the movement were the same people who brought down the past governments and the Thai Rak Thai and People Power parties, he said.

According to Mr Jatuporn, information from the red-shirts has never been fabricated and always turned out to be true.

Therefore, all red-shirts from the village to provincial levels were warned to be prepare for another round of struggle.

At the same time, he had warned core Pheu Thai members that the government should fulfill the promises made during the election campaign, including the 300 baht minimum daily wage and 15,000 baht starting salary for bachelor's degree graduates.

Only achievements could help protect the government, he said.

"The situation as we see it now is like a placid lake, awaiting the day for a political tsunami to arise.

"It is obvious that the opposition does not seem to care much about the election defeat, probably because for the past 19 years the Democrat Party has suffered election defeats but still managed to be government twice.

"The movement to bring down the government will begin actions in December," Mr Jatuporn said.

On a number of leading red-shirts taking political posts, Mr Jatuporn said this was not unusual because these people had long worked for the Thai Rak Thai, People Power and Pheu Thai parties.

No matter what positions they held, they were still red-shirts, he added.

Weel with a recession going on who effen cares
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UPDATE : 16 September 2011

September 19 will be the 5th anniversary of Thailand's most recent military coup. The coup may not be the last one that we will see as long as the country is still occupied by corrupt politicians and irresponsible citizens, who are unable to distinguish right from wrong.

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By considering the where the country is heading, those who have been closely following the news would know that there is a military coup in the air. As long as Thailand is still be ruled by shameless and irresponsible crooked politicians, we will never be able to escape military coups.

Taken from Editorial Section, Naewna Newspaper, Page 3, September 16, 2011
Speaking of shameful -- an editorial that says 'coups are okay'..

If you are not aware of this, the above "News"paper Naew Na is the Democrat Party's official mouthpiece. Utterly shameful.
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^ it's actually far worse than that, Tom. It's typical PADite: "we don't think the masses should have a voice because they don't agree with us, so we will instigate a coup by corrupt and murderous generals who will then 'appoint' people that share the values of our minority group."

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that's the point, how would anyone knows ? including you and the other red nutters

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^ it's actually far worse than that, Tom. It's typical PADite: "we don't think the masses should have a voice because they don't agree with us, so we will instigate a coup by corrupt and murderous generals who will then 'appoint' people that share the values of our minority group."
Sad, but probably true. Probably the only thing keeping the tanks in the barracks at the moment was that they made such a monumental fuck up of running the country under the military appointed "government" last time that they are hesitant to do it again...

Even more sadly, the only two choices in thailand are "shit" or "shittier"...
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I think all this political non-sense will stop once they kill Thaksin, I mean he is fair game and he knows what to expect

from that, we might see a real Democracy leader coming form the Reds, hopefully socialist leaning

of course, him being killed might also mean another far worse red leader coming on line
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^^ Mine is blocked (Ipstar).

The evidence that Thailand needs to put this childish, petulant Coup cycle behind it is overwhelming. Most military governments have been nothing short of terrible, and the 'quasi-democratic' governments that are set up via jiggery pokery, such as the Abhisit admin, cannot govern anyway because they are in troth too (or in league with) the very worst elements in and around Thai politics.

The public 'reasons' for a Coup are just that- for the consumption of the great unwashed. They are bullshit. For example the stated reason for Thaksin's ouster- worth remembering he was the most popular PM in Thai history to- was 'corruption'. Inconveniently, Transparency International's "Corruption Perceptions Index" actually improved from 3.2 to 3.8 between 2001 and 2005, ie during his tenure. We all know what has happened to corruption in Thailand since the Coup, too.

No, the reasons for these treasonous Coups d'etat that Thailand has repetitively suffered from are, to get down to basics, vanity, greed and bigotry. In the truest sense of the word, Thailand needs to grow up to become a functioning and sustainable democracy. Such reforms as need to be made (many) are best performed within the existing system, than by regularly overthrowing it on the whim of a few connected people. That just makes it worse, and hinders the reform process.

^ Talking about childish and petulant, you are right on time BF.

Last edited by sabang : 17-09-2011 at 01:33 PM.
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