Thread: Pheu Thai seeks dissolution of Dem, BJT

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

Originally Posted by thegent

I wasn't implying anything you idiot, I was stating a fact. I rather think it is you who has difficulty in swallowing the unpalatable truth.

Two facts nutter, for you the unpalatable truth, forget the rest

1. Thailand is a military dictator ship fully opposed to democratic change and progress

2, Khun Taksin parties always win the elections, this last one by a landslide

3. Historically, political identity and parties all belong under the same bigtop.
The surface circus to fool and baffle most.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by anotherpete

One of the main factors was promising things which they had no intention of providing.

A mind reader, great. Now, an easier job because it's just a simple task of remembering the past: do you remember the dems or their coalition promising anything that they didn't deliver? Oh yes, that's right, the world was against their noble efforts. Take your meds and go to bed, with theGent if you like...

Mind reader? No. Just given that they are already (even before they are sworn in) going back on their promises, they must not have had any intention of implementing their policies. They haven't even waited long enough to come up with an excuse.

So what you're saying is it's OK that PTP is going back on it's promises "because the Democrats ...". That's a pretty weak argument. It's sounds like the standard red mantra of "But the yellows ...", as if that makes everything right.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

they must not have had any intention of implementing their policies.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

even before they are sworn in

Yep, a professional mind reader.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

So what you're saying is it's OK that PTP is going back on it's promises "because the Democrats ...".

Nope. I'm saying that if the PTP are crap they should be kicked out by the electorate; I have no love for this political group, only for the democratic process and the voice of the masses.

Another point which you've evaded, up to you; I could care less and do expect it, is that where were your dem complaints when they and the alliance did nothing... when they broke 'promises', when banned politicians ruled the roost/partnership???

Don't worry, I'll be complaining if PT are bad. I've always disliked MrT. But, I do see both sides, not just the blinkered nonsense of the PAD/army/blueblood supporters...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by anotherpete

So what you're saying is it's OK that PTP is going back on it's promises "because the Democrats ...".

Nope. I'm saying that if the PTP are crap they should be kicked out by the electorate; I have no love for this political group, only for the democratic process and the voice of the masses.

Another point which you've evaded, up to you; I could care less and do expect it, is that where were your dem complaints when they and the alliance did nothing... when they broke 'promises', when banned politicians ruled the roost/partnership???

Don't worry, I'll be complaining if PT are bad. I've always disliked MrT. But, I do see both sides, not just the blinkered nonsense of the PAD/army/blueblood supporters...

Looks like I'll have to get used to the quoting out of context ... but anyway.

I'm sorry I didn't complain about the Democrats policies before I joined. Maybe I can go back and sort that out. But, truth be told, I don't know what the Democrat promises were for the 2007 election. What were they? Of course, most of the time they were in power after 2008 they were dealing with red shirt protests.

You'll be complaining about PTP IF they're bad??? So you should be already starting. The electorate can vote them out at the next election, but that doesn't mean people can't complain about them already going back on their promises.

Obviously you're not very good at seeing both sides. I've been a member on here for a whole 24 hours and have never mentioned the PAD or the army, but you've already labeled me. So just because I'm rubbishing the PTP because they are going back on their promises, you assume I'm a Democrat/PAD/army supporter.

Originally Posted by mc2

LOL has there been *any* politician in Thai history that won on their past political merits ? except Thaksin

Do you really think that the average red shirt peasant knows what Thaksin really did to the country? And, if they do, they truly believe that him throwing a few crumbs to the poor whilst robbing the country blind was a sign of intelligence. Much in the same way that a bar girl steals from a farang. I've had conversations with red shirt supporters, and they don't do a very good job to get me on their side. I feel quite guilty after speaking with them, as they mostly come across as brain dead monkeys, and I would like to think they are fighting for a just cause.

Originally Posted by pickel

Do you really think that the average red shirt peasant knows what Thaksin really did to the country?

I think the average Red shirt 'peasant' is well aware he and his cronies stole from it, via corruption. He is equally aware that all other administrations in recent history were corrupt too, and that the Banharn and Abhisit adminstrations in particular were considerably worse for corruption than Thaksins. He is also aware that in both economic and Provincial income terms, Thailand did very well during the Thaksin years. This, along with the fact that TRT mainly delivered on it's election promises, explains his enduring popularity. I assume you didn't attribute it to his good looks and charisma- only Yingluck scores in that department.

PT's comprehensive election victory can not just be attributed to hardcore Thaksin fans though, or the Reds in general. Given the fairly abysmal performance of the Abhisit administration in so many respects, to many voting PT would have seemed the lesser of two evils. The motives that cause voters to vote for a particular party are not substantially different in Thailand to the rest of the democratic world. Both parties have their staunch supporters as is normal, but the swing vote in this election went overwhelmingly to PT, most tellingly in the central Thai provinces.

The working class thai's arn't daft.

They new a legitimate administration was illegally toppled by a junta faschist blueblood coup, who tried to murder and quash democracy

Well guess what, first chance they got, the working class thai's restored democracy.

Originally Posted by Professorfart

Indeed. Mainly making spurious promises that already - not even two weeks in - they are failing to keep but that's politics...

Idiot .

Election is not even declared yet

^ Now thats what I call a fart

Originally Posted by anotherpete

but that doesn't mean people can't complain about them already going back on their promises.

And another one bites the credibility dust

Sounds to me like Prof fart and Another Pete are one and the same

Still, only one salary for the PAD to pay

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

^ Now thats what I call a fart

Originally Posted by anotherpete

but that doesn't mean people can't complain about them already going back on their promises.

And another one bites the credibility dust

Sounds to me like Prof fart and Another Pete are one and the same

Still, only one salary for the PAD to pay

Is that the best you can do? As soon as someone posts something bad against the PTP, you label them as a paid PAD poster?

I suppose I can't expect too much from a Thaksin supporter. They don't really have much to work with. When they can't use their "junta appointed", "illegitimate" or "murderous" government, there's not too much more other red shirt propaganda to fall back on.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

but, you O wise one, saw the real truth... Why do you think it is that you're always alone, and nobody every seems to see what you see

Thank you.

The reason they, and presumably yourself, cannot see is because they are all blinkered by their stupidity and the foolish belief that an election constitutes democracy.

The fact that Thaksin is lauded as their champion of the people is grounds alone for having you all certified.

We more gifted and seized of an insight to spot the bleedin' obvious inevitably have to plough a lonely furrow but irrespective of the rabble's view on this forum I am quite content to be in my majority of one.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

I've been a member on here for a whole 24 hours

Are you sure???

Originally Posted by anotherpete

As soon as someone posts something bad against the PTP, you label them as a paid PAD poster? I suppose I can't expect too much from a Thaksin supporter.

Not even a paragraph break... kettle, pot and all that... You're a funny guy... TH's 'friend' by any chance?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by anotherpete

I've been a member on here for a whole 24 hours

Are you sure???

Yes. Sure.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by anotherpete

As soon as someone posts something bad against the PTP, you label them as a paid PAD poster? I suppose I can't expect too much from a Thaksin supporter.

Not even a paragraph break... kettle, pot and all that... You're a funny guy... TH's 'friend' by any chance?

Are you suggesting that 'Loose bowels' ISN'T a Thaksin supporter?

If I knew who TH was I might be able to answer your last question.

Originally Posted by pickel

I've had conversations with red shirt supporters, and they don't do a very good job to get me on their side. I feel quite guilty after speaking with them, as they mostly come across as brain dead monkeys, and I would like to think they are fighting for a just cause.

I had the same conversation and despite claims by our resident red friendlies, it's all about Thaksin, like a religious cult, and yes it's frightening in stupidity

maybe our resident red nutters are also looking for a new religion to help them adapt to their new home

Originally Posted by sabang

Abhisit adminstrations in particular were considerably worse for corruption than Thaksins.

do you have any evidence of that ? and what do you define "more corruption" ? in THB volume or the number of participants ? I think Thaksin has won by far in THB volume.

Time will out you, justanotherpleb, and we have plenty of that... I'm in no hurry...

I'm not a Thaksin supporter.

You mentioned how you didn't know of any dem policies, but now you are all against PT (who for some reason you keep calling PTP) and their 'change of policies' before they even take office. Yet, you're just a normal bloke with reasonable attitudes, no bias... no agenda...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Time will out you, justanotherpleb, and we have plenty of that... I'm in no hurry...

I'm not a Thaksin supporter.

You mentioned how you didn't know of any dem policies, but now you are all against PT (who for some reason you keep calling PTP) and their 'change of policies' before they even take office. Yet, you're just a normal bloke with reasonable attitudes, no bias... no agenda...

Did I call you a Thaksin supporter? Are you a red shirt supporter?

The statement was about the Democrat policies that they promised that weren't implemented. That would suggest that they were promised during the 2007 election campaign. I don't know what their policies were during that campaign.

It's interesting that you put "change of policies" in quotes, as if it hasn't actually happened. As one example, during campaigning they were promising 300 baht minimum wage across the country, but now they are saying that it's only for Bangkok. I would call that a change of policy "and they haven't even taken office".

PTP = Pheu Thai Party. Maybe you've heard of them. Here's some details if you haven't - Pheu Thai Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... and even a link to their party website (PTP.or.th) - พรรคเพื่à¸[at]ไทย

Rather than trying to find bias or agenda, why don't you just respond to the comments. If they're wrong, educate me, tell me why they're wrong.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I'm not a Thaksin supporter.

right

^ indeed. Never have been and never will be; I support the democratic process and the people's mandate.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

I don't know what their policies were during that campaign.

Why not. It was very recent. Because your one-sided viewpoint doesn't care?

Originally Posted by anotherpete

If they're wrong, educate me, tell me why they're wrong.

You are either very new to this or you're just spinning non-stop. Your line on the other thread about letting the EC and courst sort it out is a good example. Everyone is fully aware that the EC/CC are coup appointed and are used as tools to stop PT. Why do you not know this? Are you new or are you spinning?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I support the democratic process

no, you don't, as you clearly established from your posts, that you were against such principles and all you supported was the mandate of the people even if it meant fascism or nazism

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ indeed. Never have been and never will be; I support the democratic process and the people's mandate.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

I don't know what their policies were during that campaign.

Why not. It was very recent. Because your one-sided viewpoint doesn't care?

It was 4 years ago. You're the one that said that the Democrats didn't implement their policies. Which policies didn't they implement?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by anotherpete

If they're wrong, educate me, tell me why they're wrong.

You are either very new to this or you're just spinning non-stop. Your line on the other thread about letting the EC and courst sort it out is a good example. Everyone is fully aware that the EC/CC are coup appointed and are used as tools to stop PT. Why do you not know this? Are you new or are you spinning?

Are you trying to tell me that you don't know why they're wrong? Maybe you've just been listening to the red shirt propaganda machine that tells you what to say, but haven't actually used your brain to think about it.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I support the democratic process

no, you don't, as you clearly established from your posts, that you were against such principles and all you supported was the mandate of the people even if it meant fascism or nazism

That's the fundamental problem with these parvenus from the West, they bring with them their wishy washy notions and think in their addle headed way they have an application in Thailand.

" The people have spoken " is basically what their dementia resolves to and getting them to budge is like prising a limpet off a rock.

They have no understanding of what history is and ignore the unpalatable truth that the will of the people has caused more suffering than it ever alleviated.

So essentially there are now moves afoot to ban the three largest political parties.

Should be amusing if all three petitions succeed.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

It was 4 years ago. You're the one that said that the Democrats didn't implement their policies.

Untrue. Spin...

Originally Posted by anotherpete

Are you trying to tell me that you don't know why they're wrong?

That was my question to you. Spin.

Originally Posted by anotherpete

Maybe you've just been listening to the red shirt propaganda machine that tells you what to say, but haven't actually used your brain to think about it.

Spin.

I have never listened to or seen any red shirt radio or tv.

You are truly a deceitful and unpleasant poster. I will not be spending any more time on you; anotherTH...