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    Thai's Yingluck hoping to ride on brother’s coattails - The Globe and Mail




    Thai's Yingluck hoping to ride on brother’s coattails


    MARK MacKINNON

    BANGKOK— From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

    Published Monday, May. 30, 2011 6:57PM EDT
    Last updated Monday, May. 30, 2011 7:26PM EDT


    he day before her candidacy to be Thailand's next prime minister was officially announced, most people here knew only two things about Yingluck Shinawatra: she has a glittering smile and she's the sister of controversial former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

    Almost two weeks later, it has become clear those traits, particularly the latter, may be enough to persuade many Thais to vote for her.

    Despite a campaign long on photo opportunities and thus far short on substance (most notably she has refused to publicly debate her main opponent, the incumbent Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva), opinion polls show the 43-year-old Ms. Yingluck may be on her way to leading the opposition Pheu Thai party to victory in the country's critical July 3 election.

    The latest poll, conducted by Suan Dusit Rajabhat University, has Pheu Thai in front with 43 per cent of the vote, up from 41 per cent a week ago, compared with 37 per cent for Mr. Abhisit's Democrat Party.

    If it holds, the campaign could well end with Ms. Yingluck, a soft-spoken businesswoman with no previous political experience, named Thailand's first-ever female prime minister.

    In the eyes of many, that would mark less of a breakthrough for women's rights in this patriarchal society than it would a victory for Mr. Thaksin, who was deposed in a 2006 military coup following back-to-back landslide election wins. Though Pheu Thai means “For Thais,” the party's slogan – “Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai does” – leaves no question who the real driving force is.

    Mr. Thaksin, who is revered by many of the county's poor for his populist economic policies while in office, but despised by the country's elite as a tyrant-in-waiting, currently lives in self-imposed exile in Dubai after being convicted of corruption following the coup.

    “This is the weakness of Pheu Thai, that they can't delink themselves from Thaksin Shinawatra. They wait for calls from Dubai or Montenegro [where Mr. Thaksin has citizenship] or wherever,” said Surat Horachaikul, assistant professor of political science at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok.

    When she does talk policy, Ms. Yingluck has focused on the need for reconciliation in Thailand, particularly following the deadly street battles in the centre of Bangkok last year that saw the army crush protests by “Red Shirt” demonstrators affiliated with Mr. Thaksin and Pheu Thai. Arguing that perhaps a woman's touch is needed to end the cycle of confrontation and violence, she has proposed an amnesty plan that many see as an effort to allow her brother to return to the country without having to go to jail.

    Pheu Thai's focus on the amnesty issue has led to widespread rumours that the military would stage another coup before it would allow Mr. Thaksin to return.

    Though she has repeatedly said she's more than her brother's proxy in the campaign, Ms. Yingluck has struggled at times to make it clear she’s her own politician. “I can make any decision by myself, and he [Mr. Thaksin] has not given me any orders,” she said in an interview last week with the Bangkok Post. “However, I am open to Thaksin's or anyone's good ideas which benefit the people and the country.”
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    ^ I doubt the yellow supporters are thrilled.

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    I wonder whether, as a society, we have learned that this sort of behaviour cannot and will no longer be tolerated?

    I wonder. Especially when the arch criminals were in many cases people entrusted with important roles in the protection and preservation of the Thai Constitution and it's system of governance. I hope certain individuals from the Military, 'judiciary', 'Democrat' party, Fourth estate, and several prominent crony capitalists will indeed come to accept this. It's only downhill for Thailand otherwise.
    I don't think anything has been learned. Given the opportunity I think the vast majority of Thai politicians would use the military, judiciary etc. to cement their power.

    Both parties have unrealistic policies centered around giving ppl money. None have proper development plans. Things look downhill for Thailand no matter who wins.

    The country's work force is unskilled, it's environment in a sad state, HR aren't respected and the education system is piss poor. But the food is nice.

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    Thailand's former PM quits as Cambodia adviser - The Globe and Mail

    Thailand's former PM quits as Cambodia adviser

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    Phnom Penh, Cambodia— The Associated Press

    Published Monday, May. 30, 2011 7:18PM EDT

    Thailand's divisive former prime minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, quit his job as an adviser to the Cambodian government Monday, nine months after his appointment helped fuel a diplomatic brouhaha.

    A royal decree signed Monday by Cambodian King Norodom Sihamoni said Mr. Thaksin resigned from his dual positions as personal adviser to Prime Minister Hun Sen and economic adviser to the Cambodia government. Mr. Thaksin made the move because he had “difficulty to fulfil his duty,” a government statement said.

    Mr. Thaksin was appointed in November last year, and his subsequent visit to Cambodia set off a row in which the two countries recalled their ambassadors.

    Bangkok was displeased because Mr. Thaksin is a fugitive from justice. In 2008, a Thai court sentenced him in absentia to two years in prison for violating a conflict of interest law, but he fled into exile before the verdict. He was ousted by a 2006 military coup after being accused of corruption and abuse of power.

    Hun Sen said Mr. Thaksin had been unfairly convicted for political reasons.

    Mr. Thaksin lives mainly in Dubai, and has been accused by the Thai government of seeking to undermine it. His supporters and their allies in March to May this year staged brazen street protests in the Thai capital Bangkok, with related violence killing about 90 people with more than 1,400 wounded.

    Cambodia's relations with Thailand have been contentious for years, with the focus most recently on a border dispute. Relations worsened since Abhisit Vejjajiva, a political antagonist of Mr. Thaksin, became Thailand's prime minister in December 2008.

    Mr. Abhisit, questioned about Mr. Thaksin's resignation, said he was waiting for confirmation. He said if true, it would be a first step toward sending both ambassadors back to their posts.

    The Cambodian government said Mr. Thaksin drew on his experience “to help Cambodia with competitiveness, especially in the fields of investment, tourism, commerce and agriculture.”

    Lawyer Noppadol Pattama, who sometimes represents Mr. Thaksin, said the former prime minister had been travelling a lot for business lately and “didn't have time to dedicate to the responsibilities that accompanied the position.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    instead of pursuing Justice, PT is talking about reconciliation and amnesty.
    funny how they refused to talk about it before

    I think the lights should be put on what happened exactly, but I am afraid it would expose the reds as much as the military, so it's not going to happen. The reds will protect the army about the truth because they were part of the problem.

    We can only hope that part of UDD will survive and protest if the fascist PT win

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    Paranoia preventing reconciliation, Thaksin says - The Globe and Mail



    Paranoia preventing reconciliation, Thaksin says


    From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

    Published Monday, May. 30, 2011 7:09PM EDT
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    </h5> He is at once the most successful politician in Thailand’s history and its most controversial. Deposed in a 2006 military coup after winning the second of back-to-back landslide elections, Thaksin Shinawatra has for the past five years been living on the lam, evading a corruption conviction and trying to find a way to return home and perhaps even to political power there.

    That fight has frequently veered into violence, most famously during last year’s protests by his “Red Shirt” supporters. They occupied the centre of Bangkok for two months, eventually prompting a bloody military crackdown that left 91 people dead.

    These days he lives a comfortable life in a villa in the Emirates Hills neighbourhood of Dubai, playing the occasional round of golf while keeping in close contact with his supporters, who hope that a July 3 election in Thailand – in which his sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, is standing for prime minister – may set in motion events that will see Mr. Thaksin granted an amnesty.

    Over the course of two days of interviews, Mr. Thaksin granted The Globe and Mail unprecedented access to his private life in exile, and discussed the coup, the crackdown and the coming elections. Here is an edited transcript from parts of those conversations.

    Q: How is the campaign going so far?

    A. I think it looks very good. The popularity of the party and Yingluck is getting more and more [in the] lead.

    What would a Pheu Thai (Mr. Thaksin’s party) government do, if it’s allowed to form the next government?

    They cannot allow or not allow. If the people wish and the people vote for us more than 50 per cent, then we – if we have the highest number – we have the right to form the government.

    But what would you do in government? You talk about reconciliation, but I met with (a senior Red Shirt leader), and he was telling me that they would put Prime Minister Abhisit (Vejjajiva) and other senior people on trial. How do you reconcile like that?

    This is the paranoia [that exists] between each other. Stop the paranoia, stop enforcing law [in a] politically motivated way and then come together and talk.

    Let me ask about May 19 of last year. How did that feel for you? Where were you?

    I was in Paris. They spotted me on the day before the crackdown. I was in Louis Vuitton. And then they put the photograph on the front page and the next day they said I’m a terrorist. So the terrorist planning in Louis Vuitton? Oh well, this terrorist likes luxury. But actually, you know, I was travelling at that time. Travelling in Paris.

    How did you find out what was going on?

    I was informed all the time. Even the military, they did not agree with the orders, but they had no choice. They reported to me, ‘I don’t know what’s going on, we’ve been ordered to crack down. It will be very brutal.’ So after live ammunition, after snipers, after tanks – this is actually like the reason they issued an arrest warrant for [Libyan leader Moammar] Gadhafi.

    Did you feel guilty at all, when you called in and found out the army was shooting your supporters?

    Yes, but I didn’t do any calling at all during the fighting. I did not want to be alleged to be instigating.

    You say you want to return to Thailand. Why not go confront the charges against you? Even at worst, if as you say, the courts aren’t fair, you serve your two years (that Mr. Thaksin was sentenced to following a 2008 corruption conviction in absentia). You’d be free by now.

    If someone can order the court, and they don’t even listen to our side, you don’t have a free and fair court system. … This is politically motivated. They want to keep me outside of Thailand. That’s the bottom line.
    They just want to keep me outside Thailand. And at the same time, when my supporters are still supporting me, they beat my supporters, they bully them.

    But your supporters have no choice but to go to jail. You’re able to live here. Is that a good example for them, for your supporters?

    They want me to be ready. They want me to go back to help them, to help the country. They know that, they realize that. It’s not choice or no choice. We are fighting for justice.

    – Mark MacKinnon, Dubai

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Let me ask about May 19 of last year. How did that feel for you? Where were you?
    I was in Paris. They spotted me on the day before the crackdown. I was in Louis Vuitton. And then they put the photograph on the front page and the next day they said I’m a terrorist. So the terrorist planning in Louis Vuitton? Oh well, this terrorist likes luxury. But actually, you know, I was travelling at that time. Travelling in Paris.
    holly crap, listen to that fucking nutter, this got to be a spoof interview

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida
    Both parties have unrealistic policies centered around giving ppl money. None have proper development plans.
    Neither party has announced any initiatives or policies to tackle and reform the sad state of education in this country. Thaksin tried some tentative educational reform during his tenure, and soon came across concerted resistance from the entrenched bureaucratic Amart. Along with his fiddling with the top Military echelons, it was probably his cardinal error.

    Both parties are pushing populist measures, which might have some short term merit given the massive inequality here, but neither address the long term, structural challenges facing Thailand. It's considerably cheaper to grow rice in Australia now than Thailands fractured system of small rice farmers, tenant farmers, and a fundamentally oligopolistic rice milling sector, Chinese dominated of course. And the education system continually fails to produce the quality of material required to keep pace with industrialisation, and a burgeoning service economy. In HK, this being the finance and investment sector, our basic formula here was to hire three office staff where you would hire one in HK or the west. Four in Indonesia. We only hired foreign professionals.

    Addressing these structural long term problems certainly will not be a factor in this election, mores the pity. Nevertheless, a vital issue is being fought and I trust established here- namely the peoples Right of Suffrage, as enshrined in the Thai Constitution. A government accountable to the people is the keystone on which all further political, judicial and societal reform in Thailand leans.
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    probes Aliens

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Both parties are pushing populist measures, which might have some short term merit given the massive inequality here, but neither address the long term, structural challenges facing Thailand. It's considerably cheaper to grow rice in Australia now than Thailands fractured system of small rice farmers, tenant farmers, and a fundamentally oligopolistic rice milling sector, Chinese dominated of course. And the education system continually fails to produce the quality of material required to keep pace with industrialisation, and a burgeoning service economy. In HK, this being the finance and investment sector, our basic formula here was to hire three office staff where you would hire one in HK or the west. Four in Indonesia.
    excellent point, but it's actually done for a reason. The inefficient and cheap labor force mean you keep them busy by hiring more of them, hence it solves 2 questions: unemployment and political stability

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    The answers to these structural long term problems certainly will not be a factor in this election, mores the pity. Nevertheless, a vital issue is being fought and I trust established here- namely the peoples Right of Suffrage, as enshrined in the Thai Constitution. A government accountable to the people is the keystone on which all further political, judicial and societal reform in Thailand leans.
    it's putting the carriage before the horse though, I think the more pressing issues are to solve economic disparity, not making your choice of dictators

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    Bangkok Post : Natthawut: "No" to Bhumjaithai

    Natthawut: "No" to Bhumjaithai

    Natthawut Saikua, a Pheu Thai party-list candidate, told the people in Nakhon Ratchasima on Tuesday morning that his party would never work with the Bhumjaithai Party of Newin Chidchob.

    Mr Nathawut said this during a small campaign rally which drew a crowd of about 300 at the monument of Thao Suranaree in Muang district.

    He was accompanying Yingluck Shinawatra, Pheu Thai's No 1 party list candidate, on the campaign trail in Nakhon Ratchasima.

    Mr Natthawut was responding to a remark made by Sohpon Zarum, deputy leader of Bhumjaithai, and other candidates of the party that their party would be part of the next government, no matter if the Democrats or Pheu Thai form the government after the July 3 election.

    "This is not possible. I can guarantee that Pheu Thai will never work with Bhumjaithai," he said.

    The red-shirt leader said from recent polls Pheu Thai was the most popular party, causing other parties - including Chart Pattana Peua Pandin of Suwat Liptapanlop and Chartthaipattana of Banharn Silpa-archa - to have shown their interest in being allied with it.

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    Natthawut: "No" to Bhumjaithai

    "This is not possible. I can guarantee that Pheu Thai will never work with Bhumjaithai," he said.

    From pro-democracy freedom fighter to deciding the policy of 'his' party in one foul swoop. Self-satisfied, Indolence beckons.....

    He's certainly bigging himself up.

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Natthawut Saikua, a Pheu Thai party-list candidate, told the people in Nakhon Ratchasima on Tuesday morning that his party would never work with the Bhumjaithai Party of Newin Chidchob.
    Never say never but this is as near to never as can be. Bhumjaithai Party must be atop PTP shit list. Far ahead of even Dems.

    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Chart Pattana Peua Pandin of Suwat Liptapanlop and Chartthaipattana of Banharn Silpa-archa - to have shown their interest in being allied with it.
    To be sure deals are being struck in the event coalition is needed but if things keep looking up for PTP as they have an outright majority is in the cards.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Abhisit met with protesting signs while rallying in Sai Mai

    Abhisit met with protesting signs while rallying in Sai Mai

    Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva was welcomed with protesting signs when visited a fresh market in Bangkok's Sai Mai district Tuesday morning to help his party candidate campaign.

    A man held a sign saying "Reya in Politics, Sharp Tongue but Can't Deliver" to greet him when the prime minister arrived at the Wongsakorn Market at 6:30 am.

    Reya is the name of the main character in a recent TV soap opera. She used fast-track means to gain wealth by offering herself as a mistress of rich men.

    The man left the scene after police talked to him.

    Later, Abhisit met encountered a woman holding sign, saying "Incompetent, causing living cost to rise".

    The woman, who was later identified as Sirima Nualjaem, agreed to leave the scene when asked to by police.

    She later told reporters she wanted to express her dissatisfaction that the government failed to tackle rising cost of living.

    The Nation

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    http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255405310001

    Vote-buying found in northeast



    BANGKOK, 31 May 2011 (NNT) – National Police Chief Police General Wichean Potephosree admits some electoral frauds such as vote-buying for the 3 July election have really been found in the northeastern region of Thailand.

    Speaking in a workshop of police personnel assigned to maintain peace and order during the election, Police General Wichean stated that vote-buying are reported in highly competitive areas, particularly in the northeastern part, so police officers have been dispatched to investigate the problem.

    The workshop is aimed at providing related officers with knowledge and and understanding about electoral laws and regulations as the competition in the upcoming general election is expected to be high due to totally different political viewpoints among candidates as well as voters.

    Election Commission Chairperson Apichart Sukhagganond and about 250 relevant officers including heads of provincial police units and EC fast-moving teams reportedly attended the seminar organised on Monday.

    Regarding a number of complaints that some police officers in the newly established northeastern province of Bueng Kan lack political neutrality, the national police chief said anonymous letters alleged a police colonel in the province of suspicious acts like following an election candidate to all places. He said he has ordered an urgent probe into the allegation and the result is expected within seven days.

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    ^ Where there is blatant vote buying in the NE, it will be coming from BJT other small parties, and the Dem's. PT already know they have a safer than safe majority here.

    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Natthawut: "No" to Bhumjaithai

    "This is not possible. I can guarantee that Pheu Thai will never work with Bhumjaithai," he said.

    From pro-democracy freedom fighter to deciding the policy of 'his' party in one foul swoop. Self-satisfied, Indolence beckons.....

    He's certainly bigging himself up.
    I certainly hope PT never works with BJT, indeed I hope they are frozen out of government until they dwindle into extinction. But as you say, it is not the mandate of Natthawut- a red shirt leader and PT party list candidate - to say this. Neither is it the mandate of the Head of the Army, Suthep, Kasit et al to say several of the ill considered things they come out with. It seems to be a common failing in Thailand- and political heads would roll in the West for considerably less.

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    Banharn says Suthep is perfect to become the next PM : National News Bureau of Thailand

    Banharn says Suthep is perfect to become the next PM

    BANGKOK, 31 May 2011 (NNT)-Democrat Secretary General Mr. Suthep Tuagsuban has thanked Chart Thai Pattana Party chief adviser Banharn Silpa-archa for his praise while expressing his belief that the coalition parties have a good grasp of what the Democrat has gone through in the past years.

    Mr. Suthep showed his gratitude for Mr. Banharn for saying that he was qualified for the prime minister position, claiming that he was well organized and well spoken. He hoped that the Coalition Parties would join the Democrat to form the government again.

    Meanwhile, he said following Mr. Banharn’s comment which stated that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva did not keep his promise, citing that the premier was the man of his words although some issues needed more time to be taken care of. Mr. Suthep also said no body should mention amnesty at this point since it could confuse people over which way the amnesty should be granted. He cited terrorism charges and political crimes as two of which that have created confusion.

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    ^ From this I think it is fair and reasonable to conclude that anything Banharn says should be filed under 'hasn't got a clue".

    Suthep perfect for PM? Scariest thing I've read today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ Where there is blatant vote buying in the NE, it will be coming from BJT other small parties, and the Dem's. PT already know they have a safer than safe majority here.
    Vote buying is well established in the Thai politics, just because a party has a safe seat doesn't mean it won't pay. Didn't you know this?

    I certainly hope PT never works with BJT, indeed I hope they are frozen out of government until they dwindle into extinction.
    Given the choice of a PT opposition of a coalition with PT and BJ, which would you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Nevertheless, a vital issue is being fought and I trust established here- namely the peoples Right of Suffrage, as enshrined in the Thai Constitution. A government accountable to the people is the keystone on which all further political, judicial and societal reform in Thailand leans.
    Right of Suffrage maybe established, but it's still a long way from democracy, Singapore and Burma also have elections.

    An elected government is not necessarily an accountable one, especially when it's corrupt, has a massive majority, ignores checks and balances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    "We must be in the government; that's our only goal," he said,

    "We don't care who will be the next premier. We have to be in the government," he said.
    This must be an exciting time for PT , knowing that Newin's mob will join them at the trough.

    Abhisit gave Newin flowers, will PM Poo do the same?
    Mark and Korn may be applying for their UK passports.

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    Bangkok Post : PT wants 'biased' TV shows off air

    PT wants 'biased' TV shows off air

    The Pheu Thai Party on Tuesday asked the Election Commission to order the NBT television station, operated by the Public Relations Department, to withdraw two programmes it claims are biased against it and its candidates.

    Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the two programmes are "Klai Pom" hosted by Jirmsak Pinthong and "Joh Khao Ron, Luang Khao Luek" hosted by Boonradom Jitrdon and Jitdee Sridee.

    He said the two programmes are biased against Pheu Thai and its candidates in violation of the constitution and the election law.

    He asked the EC to order the NBT, through its director Rattana Charoensak, to withdraw the two shows from its programming.

    If no action is taken, the party would consider bringing both criminal and civil lawsuits against the National Broadcasting Service of Thailand (NBT) and the department, Mr Prompong said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Banharn says Suthep is perfect to become the next PM
    With Newin as deputy PM this could be a dream team...

    Talking about Banharn, I was chatting with a smart Thammsat student yesterday (nearly completed her economics BA, soon to do a political science MA) and her views on politics were reasonable (as in she was thinking for herself) until she said; 'but, I cannot be a traitor to Banharn, he has done so much for my province, so I will always vote for him...', this was just after she had pointed out how stupid the folk are that always vote for Newin because he is so corrupt... Thus, we are left with the same massive problem to overcome: the patronage system is ingrained, even in the young generation - this needs changing from the top... that is the only way forward... hence why the PAD/army have done what they've done over the last few years; to stop the only route forward that benefits the nation rather than their tiny group... so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    what a poor thing to say, does he even realized what he just said ? what a fucking psycho,
    I keep pointing out to you "pupa" English f*cking English...despite that you show more than a hint of mental instability with your blatent hatred for Taki!

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    I think the more pressing issues are to solve economic disparity, not making your choice of dictators
    You're quick to label people "pupa" but why not explain clearly what this government has done to sove economic disparity?

    Give us all clear examples of how Abi and his cohorts have improved the living standards for the poor in Thailand, can't wait to read more of your Bullshit!

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    [quote=StrontiumDog;1771452
    A man held a sign saying "Reya in Politics, Sharp Tongue but Can't Deliver" to greet him when the prime minister arrived at the Wongsakorn Market at 6:30 am.

    The man left the scene after police talked to him.

    Later, Abhisit met encountered a woman holding sign, saying "Incompetent, causing living cost to rise".

    The woman, who was later identified as Sirima Nualjaem, agreed to leave the scene when asked to by police.

    The Nation[/quote]

    So is it against the law to protest individually? Must one have the back up powerful politicians?

    The media should be commenting on this and pointing out the difference between peaceful protest and taking over important areas by groups with armed militia.

    There is a dangerous precedent being set that could be used by anyone in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buksida
    The media should be commenting on this and pointing out the difference between peaceful protest and taking over important areas by groups with armed militia.
    Are you referring to Bangkok International airport being taken over by the yellows and closed while the country was held to ransom?

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