Thread: Thai elections 2011-Thai PM sets stage for tough election

Originally Posted by Bkk Post

''Mr Abhisit predicted that if the Pheu Thai Party issued an amnesty for Mr Thaksin, political unrest would break out again. The best way is to leave the issue to be worked out by neutral bodies, while politicians should work for the benefit of the people,'' he said.

Simple challenge for you, Mark: name just one [cough] "neutral" - let alone effective - body you've set up since taking office.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

In political terms, Yingluck is Thaksin in a frock.

told you she was a ladyman,

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

^
SD you should delete the last line of that.

Done, thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Not the Nation

Pheu Thai Nominates Thaksin’s Sister For PM In Stunning Display Of Meritocracy, Progressive Thinking

Cements democratic credentials with grass-roots candidate

and you bet the reds actually think like that, it's fucking hilarious

Originally Posted by SteveCM

Originally Posted by Bkk Post

''Mr Abhisit predicted that if the Pheu Thai Party issued an amnesty for Mr Thaksin, political unrest would break out again. The best way is to leave the issue to be worked out by neutral bodies, while politicians should work for the benefit of the people,'' he said.

Simple challenge for you, Mark: name just one [cough] "neutral" - let alone effective - body you've set up since taking office.

There are none and possibly never were. When those clever ppl wrote the 97 constitution, there was all sorts of committees, courts and checks and balances. What they didn't realize was how easily people would allow themselves to be bought, which is a large part of the reason it failed. The elected senators were a classic example.

It's a pretty hopeless situation, as much as I criticize Thaksin, when people are so willing to be bought, there will always be someone to take advantage of it.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Bangkok Post : Amnesty 'seals poll fate'

<snip>

Policies which he [Abhisit] pledged to implement if he was returned to power include raising the minimum wage by 25% within two years, better mass transit systems, new wars on drugs, and more welfare for the public.

<snip>

Something to remember for the next poster who wants to make hay with Thaksin/PT's promises of a WOD2.....


(my emphasis above)

Originally Posted by Buksida

It's a pretty hopeless situation, as much as I criticize Thaksin, when people are so willing to be bought, there will always be someone to take advantage of it.

exactly, we could criticize Thaksin all day long but at the end of the day the responsibilities lies with the dumb voters,

no wonder their votes are not being respected,

Convoy of red shirt supporters on Sukhumvit now entering from Bang Na side.

Originally Posted by SteveCM

Originally Posted by Buksida

Thaksin has stated 'democracy is not my goal' and he did so on constitution day.

No he hasn't - as I already pointed out to you just last month (https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1742604 (Divided Thailand seeks elusive 'normalcy')).

That "statement" was actually just the headline in the The (famously neutral ) Nation's report - which suitably inclined people have endlessly attributed to Thaksin ever since it was published in 2003.

As so often, examination of the more complete original and the context is important - see PM's Declaration: 'Democracy is not my goal' <br> | Asian Tribune which reproduces The Nation's article.

Yes, because what he actually said, sounds sooooooooooo much better, right?

You are a good little robot Steve. Always jumping to Thakisin's defense. Never the critic....

Here's your context, taken from the article you suggest shows his true meaning...yep, the more complete version sounds just peachy. Well done once more..

"Bangkok, Dec. 11:Thaksin suggests he'll block any move for amendments to rein in his power. Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday revealed for the first time the value he places on democracy, saying it was not the foremost thing Thailand needed.

In a candid statement made ominous by its release on Constitution Day, Thaksin said that as long as the country could progress and the people were happy, he was not concerned about the means used.

"Democracy is a good and beautiful thing, but it's not the ultimate goal as far as administering the country is concerned," he said. "Democracy is just a tool, not our goal. The goal is to give people a good lifestyle, happiness and national progress."

In a comment to counter calls for constitutional amend- ments that would support the sputtering checks-and-balances mechanism, the prime minister hinted that he would block the campaign to amend the charter, an issue that could cause a fall-out between him and his Chat Thai Party allies.

"Democracy is a vehicle," Thaksin said. "We can't drive a Rolls-Royce to a rural village and solve people's problems. A pickup truck or good off-road car will do. We just need to think carefully and make the right choices."

Originally Posted by SteveCM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Bangkok Post : Amnesty 'seals poll fate'

<snip>

Policies which he [Abhisit] pledged to implement if he was returned to power include raising the minimum wage by 25% within two years, better mass transit systems, new wars on drugs, and more welfare for the public.

<snip>

Something to remember for the next poster who wants to make hay with Thaksin/PT's promises of a WOD2.....


(my emphasis above)

So, Abhisit/the Dem's policy is extrajudicial killings? A few thousand? Is that what you are saying?

Robot response time...can't have our boy Thaksin being criticised.

They have been doing well recently arresting drug dealers. There's a couple of threads on it here. I know, what an original concept, have a war on drugs, but don't shoot people...arrest them instead. It'll never catch on.... The only good drug dealer is a dead drug dealer, right Steve? The (Thaksin) punishment fits the crime, right Steve?

Sorry, what was it you meant again?

As so often, examination of the more complete original and the context is important

What's your examination of his statements made? The headline fits the article.

^^ & ^^^

More of the usual entirely predictable guff . Don't let any facts get in the way of tirelessly inventive (and, but of course, gratuitously abusive) histrionics. Poor thing.....

I gave up long ago asking anyone here trotting out this sort of personal accusation to produce any evidence to actually back up it up.

Still, I imagine that Buksida is happy to have been saved from further embarrassment by this charge of the slight brigade - even if it actually looks more like the all-too-familiar bull(y) elephant in a china shop.

Yawnnnnnn.........

Originally Posted by Buksida

As so often, examination of the more complete original and the context is important

What's your examination of his statements made? The headline fits the article.

It would be strange if a headline didn't somehow "fit the article" - that's what they're for. I was about to reproduce the relevant section to show the context myself - but decided that TD members are quite capable of accessing it themselves when given the link.

The article text is clear enough; if you really can't see the difference between what's in it and the bare headline then nothing I can say will clarify it for you.

Voters must decide if they want the country to move forward, or see a revival of political unrest, says Prime Minister and Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Bangkok Post : Amnesty 'seals poll fate'

Originally Posted by SteveCM

^^ & ^^^

More of the usual entirely predictable guff . Don't let any facts get in the way of tirelessly inventive (and, but of course, gratuitously abusive) histrionics. Poor thing.....

When you produce facts, then I guess they can be addressed. Hadn't noticed any yet.

Just lots of opinion from you.

Originally Posted by SteveCM

Originally Posted by Buksida

As so often, examination of the more complete original and the context is important

What's your examination of his statements made? The headline fits the article.

It would be strange if a headline didn't somehow "fit the article" - that's what they're for. I was about to reproduce the relevant section to show the context myself - but decided that TD members are quite capable of accessing it themselves when given the link.

The article text is clear enough; if you really can't see the difference between what's in it and the bare headline then nothing I can say will clarify it for you.

He made the quote on constitution day, when people, including constitutional drafters and members of his own party, were suggesting amendments to prevent total domination by TRT.

The context is clear.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

They have been doing well recently arresting drug dealers.

They haven't even scratched the surface yet.
The amount of drugs that were on the streets (and schools) was far greater when Thaksin was told to quickly deal with the problem.

it's here Stevie boy, don't be shy

https://teakdoor.com/moronic-kiddies-...ml#post1761469

Seems some would rather ignore facts when inconvenient, they call them boring and switch to childish insults.

On a different note, has PT released a statement for today's anniversary?

Originally Posted by Buksida

On a different note, has PT released a statement for today's anniversary?

there is only this from RN EDITORIAL: MAY 2010 – MAY 2011: A LOST YEAR WORTH REMEMBERING
by Ratchaprasong News on Thursday, May 19, 2011 at 5:32pm

remember, they are dancing in the streets to honor their dead

quite strange ritual,