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    Bet he won't need to though. There will be various attempts of course - but it will all end up as little more than an "annoyance" to him.

    There is also good reason to wonder whether the PT government would ever seriously pursue Abi and his supporters. I'd love to think so - but I won;t be surprised if they don't (at least in any serious way).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    I think the most notable thing about this is that it goes to show just how swiftly the members of the "Truth for Reconciliation" committee can align themselves with the new order.
    That could be?

    What I am hearing from UDD types is that these people were muzzled before.

    They would have been outspoken before but were constrained by the previous regime.

    Udd types speak quite highly of this guy, Somchai Homla-or and his team.

    Just stating what I am hearing. I never heard of this guy before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary
    What I am hearing from UDD types is that these people were muzzled before.
    Or just heavily discouraged from speaking out publicly and "prematurely". On the latter point, it's also not clear (at least not to me) just when the TRC was/is due to report. I recommend watching the Yoon/Tulsathit conversation I posted earlier (https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1843653 (Exclusive: Probe reveals Thai troops' role in civilian deaths)).

    As I recall, there has been talk of the TRC needing something like two years to complete its work - and Yingluck has certainly talked of having them continue. Is the work actually finished - at least in the sense of a designated sub-committee drafting its report for submission to the full TRC? If so, when did they finish and has it been delayed? If delayed - by whom and why? Parallel to this is the ongoing hiatus of the is-it-ready-or-not NHRC report.

    Not impossible, of course, that both reports are undergoing some "re-drafting" now thought necessary in light of the election result..... Whether that would be as DrBob suggests
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    ... it goes to show just how swiftly the members of the "Truth for Reconciliation" committee can align themselves with the new order.
    or that what was being suppressed/buried/downplayed can now be give due prominence is something we can't gauge.
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    Jatuporn wants Bt10m paid to families of all 91 killed in crisis

    By Somroutai Sapsomboon,
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    Published on August 15, 2011

    The Yingluck government has been pressed by the red shirts to release their detained members and pay Bt10 million in compensation to families of the 91 people killed during the political turmoil in April and May last year.

    Pheu Thai party-list MP Jatuporn Promphan told The Nation he discussed the matter a few days after being released from jail with Yingluck Shinawatra before she was confirmed as prime minister. He said Yingluck accepted the idea in principle for further discussion but they did not go into detail on the compensation amount.

    But he said Pheu Thai Party must "keep its word" because the party promised, after the crackdown, to give families of red-shirt protesters who died in the turmoil Bt10 million each.

    "I have nothing to gain from this demand but I want to remind the government that it has risen to power because of these heroes and heroines who sacrificed their lives," he said.

    Jatuporn denied that he was pressuring the government because he was disappointed at not getting a post in the Cabinet, saying he had not issued an ultimatum or a deadline for when the government must pay the compensation.

    Jatuporn said Bt10 million was not a lot of money compared to the money the government spent fighting the protesters. He said the government paid Bt5 million in compensation to the firm that runs the BTS Skytrain for use of the its stations during the crackdown. He said a previous government paid US$500,000 or Bt20 million to a the family of a New Zealand man killed in the May 1992 uprising.

    Jatupron said the money should be given to both officials and civilians killed during last year. More than 2,000 people injured during the crisis were also entitled to compensation of varying amounts depending on their condition.

    He called on the government to allow red-shirt leaders detained in jails across the country to be freed on bail pending trials.

    Adul Khieuboriboon, chairperson of the relatives committee of the May 1992 incident, said he agreed in principle for the government to compensate persons affected by all political crackdowns.

    "The government should help them urgently without condition," he said, noting that compensation would be separated from charges. All people of all sides, including yellow shirts in the October 2008 crisis, should get payments, he said.

    Justice Ministry permanent secretary Kittipong Kittayarak called on the government to pay people injured or killed during the red-shirt crisis more than the maximum Bt200,000 limited by the law because the drama was a special incident. But he refused to say if families should get Bt10 million as Jatuporn demanded.

    Caretaker leader of the United Front Democracy against Dictatorship Thida Tawornset has urged the new government to provide justice by releasing red shirts in prison pending trial. "We are happy that a woman got to be PM but we are sad that many red shirt women are still in jail," she said.

    Asked if relatives of people killed last year should get Bt10 million each in compensation, Thida said the figure could be adjusted according to each family's actual losses. The red shirts would meet again to decide on the figure.

    Meanwhile Department of Special Investigation director-general Tharit Pengdit said the department had nothing to do with the decision to grant bail to red shirts, saying the matter was up to judges.

    The red shirts had sought the release of members arrested during crisis four to five times but their requests had been rejected.

    Tharit said the Department had not objected the bail requests. The matter is entirely up to the courts.

    Department of Corrections director-general Chatichai Suthiklom said more than 90 red shirts are detained pending trial across the country on charges of torching provincial halls. He said they were fairly treated by wardens without special privileges.

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    ^ Compensation I wholeheartedly agree with...

    However, no where was there mention of justice in this article and Jatuporn and Thida don't mention it (unless they did and it was left out of the piece). I understand there was a lengthy interview in Matichon today with Jatuporn, I'd certainly like to read that.

    I hope the compensation isn't all they will receive....as it could come over as a cynical ploy to buy their silence. I guess people will need to check the small-print on any documents they sign...

    I hope I am wrong.

    However, the bit about Pheu Thai keeping its word on compensation seems rather odd. I thought their 'word' was to seek justice for the murderers of the red shirts....my cynical mind tells me we are witnessing goal-posts being moved...

    I would like to be wrong.
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    Some other info in the Bangkok Post version...and thankfully mention of justice...

    Bangkok Post : B10m sought for riot dead

    B10m sought for riot dead

    PM sympathetic to red shirt demands

    The Pheu Thai government is facing mounting pressure from red shirts to pay compensation of up to 10 million baht to each family of people killed in last year's political violence.

    The red shirts are asking the government to agree to an investigation into the clashes, and outline a compensation package in its policy statement to parliament next week.

    Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has agreed to consider the request.

    The most extreme proposal comes from Pheu Thai list MP and red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan, who is urging Ms Yingluck to pay 10 million baht in compensation to each family of the 92 people killed during the clashes between red shirts and the military in April and May last year.

    Mr Jatuporn said he told Ms Yingluck after he was released on bail earlier this month that compensation on such a scale was crucial to reconciliation efforts, and those injured on the same occasions should also receive smaller amounts.

    The prime minister had accepted that compensation was appropriate and promised to work out details, he said.

    Mr Jatuporn has been charged with terrorism and lese majeste offences. His bail was revoked in May but restored on Aug 2.

    "This amount of compensation is not huge when it is compared with what the past government paid for soldiers and police during the protests, which could reach as much as 6 billion baht," he told the Bangkok Post yesterday.

    He said the 10 million baht proposal had been floated a long time before Pheu Thai won the July 3 election and that key figures in the ruling party agreed to press ahead with it if the party formed the next government.

    "I'm not pressuring my party, but the government will surely feel the pressure [from the public] if they refuse to pay," Mr Jatuporn said.

    United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) chairwoman Tida Tawornseth yesterday said the red-shirt UDD supported Mr Jatuporn's call for compensation for the victims.

    The compensation would set a precedent for future governments that they had no right to use violence against the people, Ms Tida said.

    However, she had no idea where the 10 million baht figure came from since Mr Jatuporn had never discussed the proposal with the UDD.

    "What is more important than the compensation is that the government must speed up its investigation into the clashes and bring those involved in the killings to justice," she said.

    Kritaya Archavanitkul, of the People's Information Centre for the April-May 2010 Crackdown activist group, said the government should set up a fund to help people affected by state policies and actions, including the quelling of political demonstrations.

    "We need a new mechanism to rehabilitate and compensate people suffering from [the consequences of] state policies and operations," she said.

    Ms Kritaya agreed compensation for families of those killed in the red shirt clashes should be increased because the existing figures were far too low.

    The Abhisit Veijjajiva government paid 400,000 baht to the families of those killed in the unrest; 200,000 baht for those who were permanently handicapped as a result of injuries incurred in the protests, and 20,000-100,000 baht for those who suffered treatable injuries.

    "The Pheu Thai government is under a close watch from both the Thai public and international community on how they will handle this matter," Ms Kritaya said. "Pheu Thai is expected to do better than its predecessor."

    The Yingluck government must write in its policy statement that it will speed up its probe into the crackdown and rehabilitate victims, she said.

    Nattapat Akahad, a younger brother of volunteer nurse Kamolkate Akahad, one of the six people shot dead while sheltering inside Wat Pathumwanaram during the clashes, said the compensation could partly heal the feelings of the bereaved family. "If the government really wants to rehabilitate our feelings by paying us 10 million baht, we will accept it. But the government must bring those who killed my sister to justice," said Mr Nattapat.

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    Bangkok Post : Yutthasak urges compensation for allIf the government were to pay compensation of up to 10 million baht to families of each of the red-shirts killed in last year's political protests, families of other people also killed in protests, including soldiers, should be treated equally in the interests of unity and reconciliation, Defence Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa said on Monday.

    Defence Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa

    "If compensation is to be paid, the soldiers and the yellow-shirts should also get it, not only one group (the red-shirts). This would keep everybody happy.

    "Whatever the government does should be for the people of the whole country," Gen Yutthasak said.

    Asked about the families of soldiers killed in action in the southern border provinces being paid far less than 10 million baht, the retired army general said this was a matter was for the authorities concerned to consider.

    On the compensation issue, Social Development and Human Security Minister Santi Prompat said whether the compensation is 10 million baht or not does not matter.

    What matters is that all people affected must be equally treated, regardless of what colour group they may belong to, he said.

    Former prime minster Thaksin Shinawatra (Photo by Chanat Katanyu)

    The opposition Democrat Party quickly waded in and suggested that fugitive former prime minster Thaksin Shinawatra should provide the money for reconciliation-compensation payments.

    Democrat MP for Phetchaburi province Atthaporn Polabutr said the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) should ask Thaksin to pay the relatives of those killed in the red-shirt protests last year.

    Mr Atthaporn said Thaksin should pay because he had caused all the deaths and injuries by wanting to spark a civil war to change the whole administrative system.

    Thaksin, despite being a billionaire, had never shown any responsibility towards the people who died for him, Mr Atthaporn said.

    "I would like to suggest that Jatuporn Prompan (Pheu Thai list MP and leading UDD member) demand humanitarian action from Thaksin.

    "The demand should also cover those who perished in the Tak Bai and Krue Se tragedies," Mr Atthaporn said.

    Pheu Thai list MP and UDD core member Jatuporn has proposed the government pay compensation of up to 10 million baht to each family of the red-shirts killed in last year's political violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM View Post
    Mr Atthaporn said Thaksin should pay because he had caused all the deaths and injuries by wanting to spark a civil war to change the whole administrative system.
    Some people do have a very vidid imagination which interferes with their grip on reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM View Post
    Thaksin, despite being a billionaire, had never shown any responsibility towards the people who died for him, Mr Atthaporn said.
    They didn't die for Thaksin. They died to get wankers like Atthaporn back into the opposition and a real elected government in Thailand.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM View Post
    "The demand should also cover those who perished in the Tak Bai and Krue Se tragedies," Mr Atthaporn said.
    You need to send the bill directly to the Army for those. Unlike the 92 dead, Tak Bai and Krue Se were purely caused by military stupidity.

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    The obvious problem with the Truth for Reconciliation Commission is that they had no subpoena powers, as say a Royal commission in Australia or Britain might have. This means that you have to answer their questions and you are subject to all the penalties such as contempt of court and perjury that are involved in normal court proceedings. One of its members, Somchai Homla-or has pointed this out on numerous occasions and has also said that the army just didn't respond to their invitations to talk. As you might expect with an invitation.

    It's strange that the head of the commission did not insist on these powers before accepting the role but so be it. The important question is whether the Yinglak government will give it these powers and whether there is anyone in the commission who will have the guts to use them if they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomta
    The important question is whether the Yinglak government will give it these powers and whether there is anyone in the commission who will have the guts to use them if they do.
    I think you're right to combine the two. I'd like to see the new government very publicly offer subpoena powers to the TRC. I say "offer" rather than attempt to impose them in some way because a] they signed on under different terms of reference and b] I suspect imposing would cause a number of members to bail out - suddenly discovering that they had other urgent matters to attend to. Of course, the TRC accepting the powers voluntarily might have the same effect - but it would be very obvious what was happening.

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    Red-shirt demands for compensation will be discussed, PM says

    Red-shirt demands for compensation will be discussed, PM says

    By THE NATION
    Published on August 16, 2011

    The government will discuss a proposal by red-shirt leaders for compensation to families of 91 people killed during last year's political unrest and rioting, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said yesterday.

    "There will be a policy discussion about this. We will talk about the figures, the budget, and the suitability [of this proposal]," she said at Government House.Red-shirt leader Jaruporn Promphan, now an MP with the ruling Pheu Thai Party, has proposed that Bt10 million in compensation be paid to relatives of each victim.

    Some ministers expressed support for the proposal yesterday, although they also called for fair compensation to relatives of victims from all sides - not just red shirts.

    Defence Minister General Yuthasak Sasiprapha said that compensation should be paid to relatives of not only the red shirts but also the rival yellow shirts and the soldiers killed during last year's unrest.

    "Anything the government does should be for people from the whole country, not just any particular group, to ensure equality, unity, and conciliation in the country," he said.

    When asked to comment on the fact that relatives of soldiers killed during border clashes and insurgent attacks got less than Bt10 million in compensation, the defence minister said that was a matter for the authorities involved.

    Social Development and Human Security Minister Santi Promphat said compensation should apply to people from different political colours for the sake of equality.

    Democrat Party MP Atthaporn Ponlaboot said that Jatuporn should ask fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra to pay the compensation as it was he who ordered the red shirts to hold last year's anti-government rally.

    The opposition MP blamed Thaksin for the loss of lives in last year's turmoil that began with a street rally and ended with riots in central Bangkok.

    Ninety-one people were killed during 10 weeks of turmoil and about 2,000 others injured.

    Atthaporn said yesterday he had never heard Thaksin express any responsibility for the people killed pursuing his political goals.

    "Thaksin has billions of baht, so I ask Jatuporn to seek humanitarian aid from Thaksin. He should also ask for compensation for relatives of those killed during the Tak Bai and Krue Se incidents," the MP said, referring to notorious incidents in the deep South that resulted in well over 100 deaths when Thaksin was prime minister.

    Meanwhile, a red-shirt leader in the Northeast expressed his support yesterday for a reported plan by Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit to seek dissolution of "red shirt villages" in the North and Northeast.

    Kwanchai Praipana, who heads the red shirts' Khon Rak Udon group, said that he had suggested even before the July 3 general election that the red shirts in many parts of the country should be dissolved. He said many people were profiting from donations collected from red shirts to set up the villages.

    He said his idea was to set up a red shirt network in all 20 provinces in the Northeast, based on the success of the "Udon Thani model".

    However, Yongyuth said yesterday that as long as red-shirt villages respect the law and don't act against democratic principles, there was no problem with them.

    In a related development, Udon Thani Provincial Court yesterday said it would read an order late this morning on whether to release red-shirt leaders detained at the local prison in connection with last year's riots and burning of the provincial hall.

    Earlier in the day, lawyers for red shirts and Pheu Thai MPs sought bail for members still in jail. Some 500 red shirts also gathered at the court to offer moral support.

    Suwana Suwanjutha, head of the Rights and Liberties Protection Department, said the detained red shirts had previously rejected an agency offer for legal help but they later changed their minds. She said the department would also seek temporary release for them.

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    OK in principle, but the perpitrators of the crimes must be held accountable in parallel, not instead of.

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    A form of the classic bait and switch. Now the emphasis goes from 'justice' to money, lets see how much money they will throw at it, or what other tactics they will use to make the issue go away.
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    "Meanwhile, a red-shirt leader in the Northeast expressed his support yesterday for a reported plan by Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit to seek dissolution of "red shirt villages" in the North and Northeast.

    Kwanchai Praipana, who heads the red shirts' Khon Rak Udon group, said that he had suggested even before the July 3 general election that the red shirts in many parts of the country should be dissolved. He said many people were profiting from donations collected from red shirts to set up the villages.


    He said his idea was to set up a red shirt network in all 20 provinces in the Northeast, based on the success of the "Udon Thani model".
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    Interesting............

    I'm sure it isn't part of the plan to remove the threat of any further red shirt protests, now that the job has been done for their master . Can't have protests for their precious Thaksin. Not part of the "democracy" Thaksin would want or likes...

    One wonders who "Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit" is that he may seek to disband the red shirt villages....they were very convenient before and I wasn't aware that Pheu Thai had said they should be disbanded before the election, but now all of a sudden Yongyuth decides it is time for them to go.....

    Interesting.

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    Bangkok Post : Families mull price of justice

    Families mull price of justice

    SPECIAL REPORT: A demand for each family of slain protesters to be paid 10 million baht is contentious.
    Pheu Thai MP and red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's proposal that the new government pay each family of the 92 people killed during the clashes in April and May last year 10 million baht in compensation, has stirred up a stew of controversy.

    It has also raised a number of questions, including whether such lump sum payments would be considered the price of a justice that has remained so elusive.

    If not, how could red shirt leaders ensure that the search for the truth of what happened and who violated the law continues in a transparent, fair and expedient manner.

    Pansak Srithep, father of a teenager killed in the Ratchaprarop area on May 15 last year, said it might be indecent for the politician to talk only about financial compensation.

    Rather, he said real justice is still more important to families of those killed in last year's clashes.

    For Mr Pansak, 44, the truth of what happened is a prerequisite for bringing closure to and restoring the lives of people affected by the deadly political conflicts.

    He had strong words for the Truth for Reconciliation Commission appointed by the Abhisit government last year to look into the root causes of the clashes.

    He said the TRC process had been in limbo and yielded no concrete results. It's no longer legitimate for the panel, whose chairman Kanit na Nakorn was appointed by the former government (which is considered a party to the conflict), to continue its work.

    "In fact, the tasks of truth and reconciliation should be left to a panel appointed by the House of Representatives, not by parliament which includes appointed senators. It's also inappropriate for the Yingluck government to set up a new panel to address such a collective societal concern," Mr Pansak said.

    Such an extraordinary committee could comprise current members of the TRC, relatives of the dead and injured, representatives of the government and opposition parties, he said.

    Surichai Wun'Gaeo, director of the Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies at Chulalongkorn University, said it is only appropriate for the legislative branch to be responsible for discussing reparations to victims. But it should not be left to only certain politicians, who might try to exploit the issue, he said.

    "If we allow politicians to abuse the deaths issue [for their political gains], all of society will not feel that it shares the loss and concern [of the victims]," Mr Surichai said. "The result is that the tragedies will become the issues of one group only, not a collective social pain. It might worsen the conflict between groups."

    Mr Surichai, a retired sociologist, said it would take a consensus derived from wide-ranging and profound discussions among various stakeholder groups, not a bureaucratic process, to move a post-conflict society forward.

    "Baiting the [families of] red shirt victims with financial packages is a dangerous, misplaced and misled move," Mr Surichai said.

    Suwan Thapthong, whose wife Somphan was shot and injured on the evening of May 17 last year near the Bon Kai area, said families of the injured protesters were running out of patience with government agencies to give them help.

    "I've been running around seeking help from government agencies, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) and the Pheu Thai Party," Suwan said. "They have told us to be patient and wait for the right moment. But the families of the injured are literally facing the possibility of death already."

    The 42-year-old has to juggle work (driving a taxi), taking his wife to follow-up medical checks and tending to their three children. He said his wife has received compensation of only 2,800 baht from the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security for her crushed small intestines, pancreas, gall bladder, and left renal duct.

    Mr Suwan said the state could have done much more in reaching out to victims of the political turmoil, not only families of the dead and injured but also to those who remain behind bars.

    There are 110 red shirt supporters in prison, including 25 whose court cases have already run their course. The Justice Ministry has approved only half of the requests for bail which has been paid out via a special fund established by UDD supporters.

    Rungsak Setakanjanaporn, 35, whose right-foot ligament was totally destroyed in an M79 grenade blast near Soi Ngam Duplee on May 16, also begged for sustainable care and compensation for the survivors and their families, not only for the kin of those killed.

    Last week, Dr Ronnachai Kongsakont, a Ramathibodi Hospital medical professor and a TRC commissioner, suggested that a long-term rehabilitation process for victims be expedited. His recommendation has not been implemented.

    According to the Social Development Ministry, it has paid out 400,000 baht in reparations to each family of the 92 people killed during the April-May 2010 violence, for a total of 36.8 million baht.

    Each of four people who were physically disabled received 320,000 baht, while each of the 86 people seriously injured (requiring more than 20 days of hospitalisation) received 100,000 baht apiece. Each of the 599 people who were injured, but not seriously, received 60,000 baht compensation.

    The government also paid 984 people who sustained minor injuries 20,000 baht each. One special case requiring ongoing medication received cash assistance of 423,209 baht.

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    Bangkok Post : Minister calls for parity in rally compensation

    Minister calls for parity in rally compensation

    Yellows, reds should get the same, Yutthasak says Families of both yellow shirt and red shirt protesters killed in political protests should be entitled to equal compensation, Defence Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa says.


    Pheu Thai MPs use their status as MPs to guarantee documents at Udon Thani provincial court yesterday toseekbail for 22 red shirt protesters detainedat Udon Thani Central Prison. YUTTAPONG KUMNODNAE


    In response to the demands of red shirt leader and Pheu Thai list MP Jatuporn Prompan that each family of red shirt demonstrators and security officers who were killed during political protests receive 10 million baht compensation from the government, Gen Yutthasak said if the government wanted to put in place a reconciliation process, it should award compensation to victims in all political camps, not only the red shirt movement.

    Ninety-two people - 81 civilians and 11 security officers - were killed in violent incidents during April and May last year.

    "If the government is to pay such compensation, it should pay the same compensation to families of military officers and yellow shirt protesters as well," he said.

    The yellow shirt People's Alliance for Democracy laid siege to parliament on Oct 7, 2008, to prevent new prime minister Somchai Wongsawat from delivering his initial policy statement. A confrontation with riot police ensued in which two protesters were killed and scores injured.

    Gen Yutthasak said the government should act for the best interests of all in the country, not only a certain group of people.

    Meanwhile, a Democrat MP said the red shirt movement should instead demand compensation from Thaksin Shinawatra, not the Yingluck administration.

    Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra yesterday said the government needed to further discuss the issue of compensation for red shirt victims.

    Pheu Thai deputy leader Plodprasop Suraswadi said he fully supported Mr Jatuporn's call to award 10 million baht in compensation to families of the April-May riot victims.

    Mr Plodprasop, also the Science and Technology Minister, said families of the slain red shirt members deserved the money as the red shirt demonstrators had fought for democracy.

    Director-general of the Justice Ministry's Rights and Liberty Protection Department, Suwana Suwanjuta, said her department had decided to seek bail for red shirt prisoners and to provide assistance to families of those killed and those injured during political protests.

    In Udon Thani, nine Pheu Thai MPs have used their MP positions to initiate bail applications for 22 red shirt protesters who have been detained at the Udon Thani Central Prison.

    About 500 red shirt supporters turned up to give moral support to the MPs.
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    "Pansak Srithep, father of a teenager killed in the Ratchaprarop area on May 15 last year, said it might be indecent for the politician to talk only about financial compensation.

    Rather, he said real justice is still more important to families of those killed in last year's clashes.

    For Mr Pansak, 44, the truth of what happened is a prerequisite for bringing closure to and restoring the lives of people affected by the deadly political conflicts.

    He had strong words for the Truth for Reconciliation Commission appointed by the Abhisit government last year to look into the root causes of the clashes.

    He said the TRC process had been in limbo and yielded no concrete results. It's no longer legitimate for the panel, whose chairman Kanit na Nakorn was appointed by the former government (which is considered a party to the conflict), to continue its work.
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    Yep. Echoing my earlier thoughts.

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    One thing is for sure, Jatuporn may have created another problem for Yingluck/Thaksin. How Yingluck plays this issue of hush money or compensation (depending upon how it is given), is going to affect her tenure. Get it wrong and things could get real bad, real fast.

    I'd be very surprised if the families of the dead accept the money and agree not to seek any justice. So, this could end up costing the government a lot and may backfire as a plan.

    Justice needs to be done. Anything else and it is going to look as though the entire episode was done purely for political gain. Thaksin's gain.

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    Deputy PM Chalerm says govt can't crack down on red-shirt villages; doesn't care if yellow-shirts come out to protest charter amendment

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    ^ Better suited in another thread, but is relevant to the above. So Chalerm telling Yongyuth how it is going to be.....the plot thickens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
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    Deputy PM Chalerm doesn't care if yellow-shirts come out to protest charter amendment

    He might do if the army decide to take back control on the basis of continuing anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    "If the government is to pay such compensation, it should pay the same compensation to families of military officers and yellow shirt protesters as well," he said.

    What about farangs who experienced a near to death occurrence? Enter SD (10 million baht mate, gotta be worth a shout)

    Phone Takki, i'm sure he'll be gagging to part with some of his dosh for those who suffered.

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    Bangkok Post : Compensation panel to be set up

    Compensation panel to be set up

    A committee will be set up to consider compensation for relatives of the 91 people killed in violent political protests in April-May last year, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said on Tuesday.

    Pol Gen Pracha was commenting on the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD)'s demand that the government pay compensation of 10 million baht to the families of each of those killed in the street protests.

    It was still too early to say where members of the committee would be from.

    In the initial stage, the Rights and Liberties Protection Department would be assigned to draw up the criteria for the compensation payment in coordination with the Social Development and Human Security Ministry, he said.

    A reliable source at the Justice Ministry said the committee to be set up would probably comprise representatives of the Office of the Attorney-General, the Office of the Judiciary, the Royal Thai Police Office, the military, and human rights groups.

    Apart from the relatives of the red shirts, if the relatives of those killed in violence in the South in which a large number of people were killed by authorities such as in the Tak Bai and Kru Se incidents also wanted compensation their demands must also be taken for consideration.

    Not all of those killed were to get the same compensation, the source said.

    Angkhana Neelapaichit, chair of a working group for justice and peace, said she would not agree if the government would pay 10 million baht each to the families of those killed in the April-May 2010 protests only.

    She said relatives of two members of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), particularly the family of Angkhana Radabpanyawut, and of the 79 men killed following a rally in front of the Tak Bai police station in Narathiwat province in 2005 should also be similarly paid the same compensation.

    While the Tak Bai protesters were apparently unarmed and killed by authorities, the red shirts used weapons against government authorities on duty, she said.

    "The Rights and Liberties Protection Department has provided the red shirts with lawyers and money to be placed as collateral for bail. The department sends its officials to take care of them in prisons.

    "But, the department paid no attention or protection to the Thai Muslims killed in the Tak Bai and Kru Se incidents," Mrs Angkhana said.

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    ^ Ah, another panel to deliberate....for how long I wonder....

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    A form of the classic bait and switch. Now the emphasis goes from 'justice' to money,
    Precisely, but look at the crimes of Moo Ham and the young Chalerm etc, much the same thing applied. Witnesses are just bought off &/or intimidated, victims bribed to keep their silence. It's a well established MO here, in a country where high level immunity is a given- easy enough to blame those that accept the money, but consider the potential consequences if they don't.

    Given that abysmal reality, I find myself actually a bit relieved that the compensation being mooted is something vaguely realistic. Sorry to have to be honest, but I don't think you will find anything more than a few low level people being held accountable, such as maybe some connected to the appalling and iconic Wat massacre.

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