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    Afghanistan : Nato forces kill two Afghan women

    Nato forces kill two Afghan women
    April 22, 2011

    KABUL (AFP) - Two Afghan women were killed in an operation in eastern Afghanistan that also left 17 insurgents dead, the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said Thursday.

    Local officials had previously said that two women and a child died in the fighting late Tuesday in the Dangam district of Kunar province.

    In a statement, Isaf said that as its troops were clearing a compound, they were fired upon while someone trained a spotlight in their direction.

    "The security forces returned fire, killing the insurgent and what turned out to be two women he was hiding behind," an Isaf statement said.

    It added that during the operation, Isaf troops "killed 17 insurgents including foreign fighters and detained one suspected insurgent while searching for an Al-Qaeda senior leader".

    Separately, three policemen were killed and six others wounded on Thursday when a bomb planted inside their minibus exploded in eastern Afghanistan, local officials said.

    The blast claimed by the Taliban took place in Jalalabad, the de facto capital of eastern Afghanistan.

    "The explosive material was set in the bus and went off when the policemen were en route to work" Ahmad Zia Abdulzai, provincial spokesman told AFP. "There were three police officers killed and six others wounded in the incident." He added that an investigation had been launched.

    Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid claimed responsibility for the attack, telling AFP: "Our man planted the bomb inside the car and it killed nine policemen and injured two others". The Taliban are known to exaggerate details of their attacks.

    A spokesman for the local provincial hospital, Dr Sayed Afandi Sayed, said it had received three bodies and was treating six wounded police.

    nation.com.pk

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    Shouldn't the headline have been - 17 terrorists successfully eliminated by Nato forces. And then all the rest !

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    only if you think 17 terrorists are more important than two innocent civilians .

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    In the case of Afghanistan I'm sad to say I do, as sad and unfortunate their deaths are the real killers is the Taliban terrorists, who use the civilians, voluntarily or not, as cover for their cowardly terrorist acts, the sooner they all are dead the sooner no civilians will get needlessly killed in the crossfire.

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    slippy slope Lars , and one I note you have tried to limit by confining it to Afghanistan.

    I am unable to agree.

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    How do they know that all the men were insurgents, being as they wear no distinctive uniform ? How do they know that the women were innocent ? All guess work as far as I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Shouldn't the headline have been - 17 terrorists successfully eliminated by Nato forces. And then all the rest !
    The exact thought I had. Why focus on the negative rather than the positive? If the death of these 'innocent' women is a negative of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    slippy slope Lars , and one I note you have tried to limit by confining it to Afghanistan.

    I am unable to agree.
    Its unfortunate but innocent people also get killed in a war.
    But the Taliban are not bothered who gets maimed or killed when they plant a road side bomb or strap a vest to their body.
    War is a dirty business,blame it on the idiot politicians,not the people who are told to police a war zone.

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    Yes, since war is a dirty business civilians in the war zone can safely be ignored.

    You've got to be joking right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey
    Its unfortunate but innocent people also get killed in a war.
    Not in dispute ,

    HOWEVER

    relegating these innocent victims to collateral damage is .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    Yes, since war is a dirty business civilians in the war zone can safely be ignored.

    You've got to be joking right?
    If there was an easy answer,to stop civilians being killed other then moving them to a safe area,which is a bad idea.I can't think of one,if you can solve this please advise the appropriate authorities.
    We are trying to fight a war,which i do not agree with,sometimes innocent people get killed i wish there was zero casualties.
    But until someone calls of this idiotic war,people are going to get killed.

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    They just had an item on Sky News about the decline in the number of street parties for the upcoming wedding compared to Charles & Di.

    On feller said "maybe young people aren't into this kind of thing". Meanwhile, beautifully aligned in the background, three miserable covered up muslim penguins.

    I bet you can't have a street party in Britain any more without offending your Paki neighbours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They just had an item on Sky News about the decline in the number of street parties for the upcoming wedding compared to Charles & Di.

    On feller said "maybe young people aren't into this kind of thing". Meanwhile, beautifully aligned in the background, three miserable covered up muslim penguins.

    I bet you can't have a street party in Britain any more without offending your Paki neighbours.
    The majority of people are not giving a flying fuck about this wedding because with record levels of youth unemployment, soaring food and fuel prices, massive cuts to public services, house prices into free fall and pensions not worth the paper they are written on frankly we have more to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They just had an item on Sky News about the decline in the number of street parties for the upcoming wedding compared to Charles & Di.

    On feller said "maybe young people aren't into this kind of thing". Meanwhile, beautifully aligned in the background, three miserable covered up muslim penguins.

    I bet you can't have a street party in Britain any more without offending your Paki neighbours.
    The majority of people are not giving a flying fuck about this wedding because with record levels of youth unemployment, soaring food and fuel prices, massive cuts to public services, house prices into free fall and pensions not worth the paper they are written on frankly we have more to worry about.
    Says "Scottish Gary"


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They just had an item on Sky News about the decline in the number of street parties for the upcoming wedding compared to Charles & Di.

    On feller said "maybe young people aren't into this kind of thing". Meanwhile, beautifully aligned in the background, three miserable covered up muslim penguins.

    I bet you can't have a street party in Britain any more without offending your Paki neighbours.
    The majority of people are not giving a flying fuck about this wedding because with record levels of youth unemployment, soaring food and fuel prices, massive cuts to public services, house prices into free fall and pensions not worth the paper they are written on frankly we have more to worry about.
    Says "Scottish Gary"

    You have to realise that not every problem the UK has can be laid at the door of Muslims,Asylum Seekers, Refugees, Gypsies or whoever else the Daily Mail and The Sun likes to blame.

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    whats the war in Afghanistan about again,keep forgetting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow role View Post
    whats the war in Afghanistan about again,keep forgetting.
    I think it was about preventing another 7/11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey
    But until someone calls of this idiotic war,people are going to get killed.
    Even if this war is called off it will make no difference. Under a Taliban way of life more people are more likely to be killed than at present. Isn't what the war is about ?

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    Under the former Taliban rule less people were killed than at present. Why would the Taliban kill more people if the coalition pulled out?

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    Can someone tell me why my post about two British female soldiers being murdered by the taliban has been removed from this thread?

    Have I offended some muslim apologist?

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    You have to realise that not every problem the UK has can be laid at the door of Muslims,Asylum Seekers, Refugees, Gypsies or whoever else the Daily Mail and The Sun likes to blame.
    And you have to realise that "multiculturalism" has had a cancerous effect on British society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    Under the former Taliban rule less people were killed than at present. Why would the Taliban kill more people if the coalition pulled out?
    For years before any western forces entered Afganistan I read numerous articles in various mags and papers, and saw hand wringing "women's advocates" and the like bleating about the terrible treatment of women under Taliban rule. "Where are the Americans", "where is the EU, "where is the west" they bleated...".the people of Afghanistan need help" Well it is customary under these circumstances for most western countries to issue bland statements condemning beheadings, stonings, whipping and all the other assorted benefits of being under Taliban rule, but outfits like the Taliban don't pay a lot of attention to bland statements out of foreign capitals.

    Eventually "the west" let by the US...as usual, went into Afganistan and began an attempt to fight off the Taliban; which is clearly a very difficult task. The Taliban has the cover of hiding out in familiar terrain which is very challenging to fight in. The also hide within the civilian population, and they do not show the slightest hesitation to hide behind a few women and kids when the shooting starts. Dead women and kids are great press for them....really bad press for us....so kill as many as you can infidel.. just make sure our Taliban PR guy gets a video...

    The same kind of people who were bleating before we went in, are still bleating, only now we are the bad guys, and somehow all of the Taliban's public executions and denial of some of the most basic rights seems to be forgotten. That is so typical. We are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.

    I spend 12 years in the military...and I do not recall one serviceman who ever wanted to be involved in any way with the killing or injuring of civilians, but there are a lot of ignorant bleeding hearts out there, who think they know what goes on in front line operations. They really have no clue what it's like but feel compelled to expound on it anyway.

    For all the bleeding hearts. Ask yourself a simple question. What possible reason would any coalition soldier(s) have to kill a couple of innocent women. What possible strategic or tactical advantage would that give our side? My guess is that a Taliban fighter was firing from behind two females used as a shield. Under fire it is highly unlikely that such a situation would be obvious to the coalition troops....they are going to shoot back and if the women are in front of the gunman.....enough said. But go ahead blame the coalition troops....how could it ever be the Taliban's fault?

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    Well I think it ought to be clear enough now that neither the Iraqi nor Afghanistan invasions served any useful purpose (unless you count lining pockets).

    All the Iraqi invasion has achieved is that it's brought chaos and sectarian violence to Iraq and handed a large part of it to Iran.

    And Afghanistan might have removed a few "insurgents", but the neanderthal taliban essentially still rule Afghanistan and will do so after the coalition leaves. All that putting Bush's mate Karzai and his mates into power has achieved is bought them some very nice property and Dubai and a lot of serious cash in their Emirati bank accounts.

    There were around 3,000 people killed on 9/11; the total of coalition forces dead is already almost double that, yet the people considered ultimately responsible are still free.

    The Americans should have learned from the Russians: You can't beat these animalistic afghanis, they know how to fight on their turf and the Yanks don't, much the same as Vietnam. Pull out now and carpet bomb the place when you feel like it, it will have the same effect.

    As for Iraq, the genie is out of the bottle, and that's why Iran and Hezbollah are putting the feelers out to all of the little muslim uprisings around the region; it's empowered them.

    With any luck, Syria will go tits up and redress some of the balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Shouldn't the headline have been - 17 terrorists successfully eliminated by Nato forces. And then all the rest !
    Yes, maybe with the addition of "fuck the rest" or "shit happens"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    How do they know that all the men were insurgents, being as they wear no distinctive uniform ? How do they know that the women were innocent ? All guess work as far as I can see.
    We get a sanitized, western version of the news when it comes from the military itself. The 17 dead men are all militants because none of them is saying anything different. And the two dead women were being used as human shields because they haven't said anything different. Case closed.

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