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    and cheap beer there the kunt outside the mini markets at 8 in the morning drinking Chang

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    Last year the land behind me 2 rai sold for 24 million
    That just insane!
    I went to look for a new place in my village (quite big) and a nice size shop on the road junction wanted 10 million! (5 shop fronts wide, 3 deep)
    Tesco's did the deal and bought it after I nearly had a heart attack.
    It's all gone nuts!!

    All the best to Schumacher but I reckon his days are numbered

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
    That makes it a bit difficult/impossible to clean out corruption when the only way is to start at the top.
    The wife's uncle was a rare kind of policeman, a cornel who did not like bribery, prostitution or gambling. from what he told me; its not too hard to stop your subordinates taking bribes, when you make it clear you are not joking. Getting the brothels and gambling dens can take a bit of persuading to move just out of the district; but non of them tried to kill him (:

    getting ride of top down corruption is much easier than bottom up. you have far fewer people that you need to keep and eye on. But it takes will at a very high level in government and until it becomes real election issue.... its not going to happen

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    Phuket Corruption: Enough, Say Patong Victims - Phuket Wan


    Details of Phuket corruption emerge: Patong Mayor Pian Keesin speaks
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    Phuket Corruption: Enough, Say Patong Victims

    By Alan Morison and Chutima Sidasathian
    Wednesday, October 6, 2010

    THE FULL EXTENT of corruption on Phuket was revealed today when the head of Patong's entertainment association said that local venues were prepared to continue to make corrupt payments to 14 government offices and branches - but that was enough.

    Requests from three additional government bodies to also gain under the table payments have the Phuket venues throwing up their hands saying, in effect: ''We can tolerate corruption, but anything beyond 14 organisations is just plain greedy.''

    Today's revelation would have little meaning for the thousands of tourists who descend on Phuket, except that all the costs of corruption are passed on. The tourists are the ones who pay.

    If the tourists happen to be among those who enjoy partying beyond Phuket's legal closing time, then they are also among those who benefit.

    Weerawit Kuresombut, President of the Entertainment Association in Patong, made his feelings known this afternoon at a public seminar called by the Mayor of Patong, Pian Keesin, to discuss 'The Future of Patong.'

    Phuket people had widely discussed in advance that Patong's overdose of corruption would be the key topic.

    ''We are happy to pay 14,'' said Khun Weerawit, who represents about 400 bars and clubs in Patong. ''But if other groups come to ask, we will need to negotiate with them first. If we cannot make a deal, we cannot guarantee what is going to happen.''

    Phuketwan understands that there are about 500 retail outlets in Patong, both large and small, that also make corrupt payments to a number of government offices and branches. Again, all the extra costs eventually are passed on to tourists.

    At the completion of today's seminar, Khun Weerawit told journalists in an interview that small retail outlets usually handed over about 20,000 baht a month in corrupt payments while a large Phuket nightclub would be obliged to give as much as 120,000 baht a month to their 14 ''partners.''

    If the payments were not made to the corrupt government branches and offices, prices in Patong would fall by about 50 percent, Khun Weerawit said in response to a question from Phuketwan.

    The corrupt payments, always made in cash, are usually recorded in account books as ''rent.'' The system is widely understood and tolerated on Phuket because in the end, it's the tourists who pay.

    The seminar at the Loma Park football field in Patong attracted an audience of about 500 people, including a number of vendors and a united group of tuk-tuk, taxi and motorcycle taxi riders. The taxi and tuk-tuk drivers arrived on foot, in a parade, carrying a banner that advocated the building of a tunnel under Patong Hill.

    The tunnel is a favorite project of Mayor Pian, whose son Preechavude ''Prab'' Keesin is president of the Taxi Federation of Patong.

    Discussion turned to corruption when Khun Prab, sitting in the audience, asked his father a question about parking and noise in Patong.

    Mayor Pian said the next generation was smart, but not always direct. ''You are really talking about corruption, right?'' he told his son. ''I will talk to the people who ask the money from you.

    ''Important people in Bangkok know where the problem is. I will fix it for you.''

    Soon after Khun Pian had spoken, Khun Weerawit took the microphone and told the crowd that Patong's venues were prepared to continue to make corrupt payments to the existing 14 government offices and branches - but now several more government organisations were also requesting regular illegal payments.

    Next month, 1500 delegates are coming to Bangkok from more than 130 countries for the International Anti-Corruption Conference.

    Prime Minister Abhist Vejjajiva has already begun to make remarks about the importance of finding a solution for corruption in Thailand.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by crocodilexp View Post
    Dr. Schumacher is no spring chicken:

    Deutsche Botschaft Bangkok - Lebenslauf

    I was surprised at the extent of his diplomatic experience. Tel Aviv, Bosnia (1997), UN (1999), Iraq (2008) then Bangkok. A diplomat of his caliber knows when to keep his mouth shut, and does not raise issues without having a good reason. Also, given the countries he served in and access to intelligence, I would reckon he knows more about corruption than any of us here do.

    With the Phuket governor retiring in October, this could be part of some larger game. Perhaps he is seeing an opening to work with Abhisit's government to achieve local changes in Phuket (maybe knock deputy PM Suthep a bit as well, since he has some involvement in murky Phuket affairs). Hard to tell what is *really* going on.
    He probably bought land.

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    The taxi and tuk-tuk drivers arrived on foot, in a parade, carrying a banner that advocated the building of a tunnel under Patong Hill.

    The tunnel is a favorite project of Mayor Pian, whose son Preechavude ''Prab'' Keesin is president of the Taxi Federation of Patong.


    these people really are shamelessly corrupt to the eyeballs!

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    ^^ Mr Kuresombut should consider bribery as a licensing matter and create a corruption pool, just like the patent pools for DVD and Blueray. His people then pay a single bribe, licence fee, and the pool member argue out the percentages between themselves.

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    Cops to be drug tested: Phuket Police chief

    Cops to be drug tested: Phuket Police chief

    BUSINESS TIME: New Phuket City Police Superintendent Chote Chitchai intends to 'clean house' by drug testing police officers.

    The latest drugs suspects arrested were presented by police at a press conference today.

    PHUKET: The new Phuket City Police chief today announced plans to introduce drug testing for police nationwide to ensure that the force remains completely drug free.

    “Police are the last line of defense in society’s war on illegal drugs, so if they themselves are involved, then its ‘game over’,” Phuket City Police Superintendent Chote Chitchai told a press conference today.

    Col Chote called on members of the public to report any and all members of the police who are involved in the drug trade.

    “I am pleased to solve the problem, as I don't want any police involved with drugs,” he said.

    “At some time in the future, police will have their urine tested for drug use. This is part of a ‘cleaning house’ policy by the Commissioner-General of the Royal Thai Police. Meanwhile we continue to examine [members of the general public] for drug use,” he said.

    The gathering was held at the Phuket City Police conference room today to show the media eight drug suspects.

    The suspects, all males in their twenties, were hauled in for drug offenses over the weekend.

    They were identified as Phuket natives Ekkachai Pupphakarn, 25; Patpong Boonyanupong, 26 and Boonlert Rodyod, 28.

    Also arrested were: 24-year-old Natthachai Thepkunchon from Nakhon Sri Thammarat; Suriya Dee-arsa, 23, and Jirakorn Dee-arsa, 25, from Songkhla; and Jamlong Yemying, 24, from Krabi.

    The seven were caught smoking Kratom leaf extract at a home in a residential estate off the bypass road in Rassada. Some were found in possession of other narcotics, so all were taken to Phuket City Police Station for testing.

    All confessed to taking drugs. Seized as evidence were a total of 64 ya bah (methamphetamine) pills, three packs of dried marijuana, a bong and other drug-taking paraphernalia.

    All were charged with possession of a Category I drug (ya bah) and lesser offenses.

    Also presented was 23-year-old Sitthiphon Saejia, caught in possession of 49 ya bah pills and six packets of ya ice (crystal methamphetamine) on New Dowroong Road in Wichit at about 12:30pm on Saturday.

    Mr Sittiphon was charged with possession and sale of a Category 1 controlled substance.

    He was arrested after being stopped at a police checkpoint on Wirat-Hongyok Road, which runs behind Suan Luang Park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    At some time in the future, police will have their urine tested for drug use
    They`ll probably be given 2 weeks notice, just to be on the safe side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bretby
    They`ll probably be given 2 weeks notice, just to be on the safe side.
    3mths needed , so I'm told .................

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    I got drug tested once, I scored 8 out of 10. If I'd known that Moroccan Cannabis was grown in the Atlas mountains I would have got 9 out of 10 and if I could remember the chemical formula for LSD it would have been a 10.

    Cheers

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    Phuket Corruption Probe is Underway, With Action Planned

    Phuket Corruption Probe is Underway, With Action Planned


    A MAJOR inquiry into corruption on Phuket is concluding this weekend with details on tourist scams and rip-offs being collated. Allegations of large-scale graft by officials and police are also being assessed.

    The two-week investigation by a special committee connected to the Public Sector Anti-Corruption Commission has interviewed leading figures on Phuket, Vice Governor Niwit Aroonrat told Phuketwan yesterday.

    The presence of the investigating team on Phuket has been a closely-guarded secret, along with the names of the people who have been interviewed.

    It is understood that many of those who were asked to speak to the investigating team were open in naming names and citing instances where rip-offs, scams and graft are thought to be constant and out of control.

    One of the investigating team, contacted by Phuketwan, said he was not free to comment or even to confirm that an investigation was taking place.

    Leading members of the local Phuket community and some expats are believed to have spoken in detail about corruption on Phuket. It is believed as much attention will be paid to expat corruption as to Thai corruption.

    Patong's continuing jet-ski scams and Phuket's extortionate tuk-tuk and taxi fares are certain to have been mentioned often. Action could be taken before the end of May, although as yet there is no indication what form that action might take.

    Four aspects are being examined:

    1. Entertainment, including clubs, restaurants, conditions, and closing times.
    2. Transport, including jet-skis, taxis and tuk-tuks, scams, fares and thuggery.
    3. Corruption and tourism, including jewellery price scams.
    4. Breaches of law, including the holding of passports, illegal payments, and more.

    The fact that a major investigation into corruption on Phuket was coming was revealed on April 18 when Phuketwan learned of a meeting in Bangkok that involved Phuket's Vice Governor Niwit, the Deputy Prime Minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, and vice governors and governors from Thailand's other key tourism destinations.

    Vice Governor Niwit said then that special investigators wouldl check on the scope of the graft and rip-offs and report back over a period of six weeks.

    Phuketwan has been able to confirm that an intensive investigation has taken place on Phuket since April 25, when the anti-corrruption commission representatives arrived on the island.

    What we do not know and cannot say is whether similar inquiries are underway in Pattaya, Chiang Mai or other tourist centres.

    The decision by the national government to investigate corruption in Thailand's tourist destinations appears to have sprung from a barrage of complaints by tourists that have been passed on via ambassadors and other envoys to Khun Suthep and Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya especially.

    Reports to Bangkok on Phuket's lawlessness have become more frequent since the establishment last year of the three-monthly meetings between Phuket's Governor and the island's honorary consuls.

    There is no way of knowing at this stage what might be the outcome of the investigation, but journalists on Phuket are unable to recall the last time any senior official - either elected or appointed - was prosecuted for corruption.

    Phuketwan has suggested that if this government or its successors wished to attempt to tame corruption nationwide, they should start with Phuket then apply the lessons learned on the island to the rest of the country.

    Vice Governor Niwit said yesterday he expected that action would flow from the Phuket corruption probe, even if the government changed at the next election.

    Action on jet-skis, tuk-tuks and local taxis would seem most likely given that the office of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva recently wrote to Phuket officials telling them that the regular blockades of cruise ships and US warships for a share of customers must cease.

    A meeting of locals in Patong last year produced an admission that 14 government departments or agencies were taking illegal payments.

    ''Phuket is No. 1 for tourist income for Thailand,'' Vice Governor Niwit said. ''If Thailand loses Phuket to corruption, it will lose that source of revenue.''

    Singapore's solution to wipe out graft was to prosecute the most prominent corrupt people in government and business.

    At the same time, a new, clean culture of uncorrupt officials commenced and operated separately to those who had been taught that graft was part of the game.


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    I will believe it when I see it.

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    Someone will pay for this !

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    odds on no govnt official will be prosocuted ! ,....... its too deep rooted, i was a victim of police corruption myself,......my lawyer advised me to leave the island asap even though it was the police more at fault , single law firms are not strong enough to bring them down ..............wonder how much they pocketed from the tsunami fund ???? cnvts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgen
    Someone will pay for this !
    I take it you mean "brown envelopes" all round?

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    PUSH TO CLEAN-UP PHUKET TO HELP TOURISM FUTURE
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    ASIA - An orchestrated push to clean up Phuket’s, in Thailand, scams and chronic transport disorder is in the midst.

    A senior Patong police officer said that action is expected this month to fix Phuket’s illegal taxi problem as Phuket Governor Tri Augkaradacha confirmed that major changes are likely on Phuket within four to five months, according to a report by Phuket Wan Tourism News.

    The Interior Ministry has already ordered bars and night venues across Phuket to close on time at 2am and Governor Tri even said that ''a new system'' was on the way for Phuket's tuk-tuks at a “fair fare”. He said that under the new system, tourists would be able to travel around Patong at 50 baht per person.

    It is thought the push is in part due to the construction of Phuket's conference and exhibition centre, which is to proceed rapidly now that environmental objections have been overturned.

    The go-ahead for the 2.6 billion baht project, seen as essential for Phuket's tourism future, was welcomed in November 2011.

    c-mw.net

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    Quote Originally Posted by setaputra View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ch1ldofthemoon View Post
    I used to go to Phuket all the time,up until 2005. Got fed up with the `rip off` culture there. Nowdays,I usually go to Chiang Mai...what a difference

    Chiangmai is not immune to it.
    No but it's not as systemic and it's easily avoided.

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    Think about what Phuket was about in the 1920s, 1930s....even up to the 1960s.

    Now, observe what the character of the place has become today.

    Are we learning yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Think about what Phuket was about in the 1920s, 1930s....even up to the 1960s.

    Now, observe what the character of the place has become today.

    Are we learning yet?
    Been there the first time in 1990, it was very pleasant, welcoming and safe. 5 years later it was already nothing that I would agree to live in. Never returned there since.

    I could say the same about my small town in Switzerland. Great from 1960 to the nineties, then a nightmare with all the balkanics refugees.

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    It will never change until people stop coming here, but will they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    It will never change until people stop coming here, but will they?
    Mindless consumption is a hard drug to get over.

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    ^ Well put!

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    Any tourist who's visited phuket in the last 10-15 years could have written this article. Unfortunately the only people who could actually make a difference, don't give a flying f***. If it keeps making money, leave it be.

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    Just another Thailand bashing circle jerk wank fest.

    All the douchebags that think they know better then anyone else.

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