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    As the Honorary British Consul, Howard Miller might consider supporting an anti-corruption drive in Pattaya. Well, he doesn't need to be so forthright, but a few well chosen words might be interesting.

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    Wonder if the reported 30 million thb that the police stole from the tsunami donations will turn up.

    Out of an estimated 36 million baht in funds, 30 million baht is unaccounted for, suspected of being gobbled up by corrupt members of the Royal Thai Police, the group who have been overseeing the operation of TTVI.

    Last November, the ambassadors of seven countries (including the UK, the US and France) signed a letter to the Royal Thai Police written by Thailand’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Nitya Pibulsonggra demanding to know how donations had been used. Nothing happened.

    Another 13 counties have now stepped up to push for an investigation into the alleged misuse of funds. The investigation has so far achieved nothing and police have only concluded that corruption may have occurred.
    Thai charity loses 30 million baht to corruption | The Lost Boy

    Seven western countries have submitted a joint complaint to Thai police about the disappearance of an estimated one million dollars in donations.

    The complaint -- dated November 22 and signed by the ambassadors to the Bangkok-based embassies of Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Britain and the United States -- alleged that more than 60 percent of about 60 million baht ($1.7 million) in funds collected from their citizens for tsunami relief were "wasted and disguised as traveling and other miscellaneous expenses,"
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    Good on the German geezer. The Thais will respond in their normal style by smiling, ignoring everything he said and trying to find a way to get him out and cause him as many problems as they're able in the process...

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    Quote Originally Posted by klongmaster
    Google is your friend you lazy git...
    It was a rhetorical question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The Thais will respond in their normal style by smiling, ignoring everything he said and trying to find a way to get him out and cause him as many problems as they're able in the process...
    Somebody knows Thais.

    A lovely people.

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    Glad to see somebody stand up. This has been going on for too damn long. Worse its been swept under the table for too long. JJ is now in the very past tense. I hope to hell something comes of it. I hope that other embassies back him up as well. Then head 200k east and hit Samui.

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    If they are wondering where that money went, can I suggest they pop down the Mercedes dealership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    f they are wondering where that money went, can I suggest they pop down the Mercedes dealership?
    No shit. But if they cant find a bus driver who kills 8, then what the fcuk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If they are wondering where that money went, can I suggest they pop down the Mercedes dealership?
    Just go the police car park see all you wanna see, I know one with 10 rai how did he buy that? at 13 mil a rai

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    I know one with 10 rai how did he buy that? at 13 mil a rai
    His wife probably manages the housekeeping money very well I suspect, either that or he stole a load of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    Just go the police car park see all you wanna see, I know one with 10 rai how did he buy that? at 13 mil a rai
    He the one who was a major shareholder in the illegal Santika nightclub?

    Sorry, Santika noodle shop, as it was licensed to be.

    What happened to him anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    The local honorary consuls general are just a bunch of expat bed-and-breakfast owners and retired Colonel Blimps aren't they?

    I mean, we're not talking Henry Kissinger.

    Its hard to believe the Phuket kleptocrats are phased by their enraged state.
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    Have to wonder what Phuket {and other locales} was like some 30-40 years ago, before the influx of Farang influenced infrastructures? Might be the key as to the instigation of petty criminal and corruption behaviour - not that it wasn't present in the past, but it surely hasn't diminished, but escalated over this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    The local honorary consuls general are just a bunch of expat bed-and-breakfast owners and retired Colonel Blimps aren't they?

    I mean, we're not talking Henry Kissinger.

    Its hard to believe the Phuket kleptocrats are phased by their enraged state.
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    Agree, the local string holders couldn't give two piss-drops what the ridiculous,
    " farangs" think.

    Good question; What businesses do these these foreign attendees have and are they complicit in misinformaition regarding crime?
    The drownings arre a good example
    Do they perpetuate a false real estate market through local corporatized media with bogus articles touting illegal BS ( 30 year + renewal leases, etc) ?

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    corruption and extortion is all part of a days work to the thai police and the associated authorities.

    short of local and international naming and shaming of the guilty parties and a total boycott of phuket by foriegn tourists, which of course wont happen, then i doubt if much will change.

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    Its all about the puss.

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    http://phuketwan.com/tourism/phuket-...fficers-12889/


    German Ambassador Dr Hanns H. Schumacher: ''We have the ball rolling''
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    Phuket Police Chief: 'I Will Pursue Errant Officers'

    By Alan Morison and Chutima Sidasathian
    Monday, August 23, 2010

    PHUKET'S Chief of Police, Major General Pekad Tantipong, has undertaken to pursue any police accused of demanding money for the return of tourists' passports. Only a few exceptional circumstances require expats to surrender passports to police.

    Australia's honorary consul for Phuket, Larry Cunningham, today called for action against impolite tuk-tuk and taxi drivers who were causing a nuisance to tourists at Surin, and for a female police officer to assist with Phuket cases involving attacks on female tourists.

    He also said there had been ''many instances'' where police on Phuket had demanded money for the return of passports, often in trivial cases.

    The majority of sex attacks on Phuket are not being reported to police, while many are not being reported to anybody, he said. He spoke of ''one very brave Australian woman'' and her family who pursued and achieved justice in a case of rape, even though it probably cost the family $A50,000.

    He said some Australians accused of crimes on Phuket ''we believe were innocent, and only pleaded guilty to be able to leave Phuket.'' He said at least one Australian on the list of expats arrested by police had had the case against him dropped.

    Major General Pekad said there was a misunderstanding that triggered a blockade by taxi and tuk-tuk drivers in Surin about a year ago. ''Those who were responsible for the road block were charged and sentenced,'' he added.

    He said he would keep an eye on the situation. Thuggish behavior would not be tolerated.

    Governor Wichai Praisa-ngob said that there were a total of 2000-plus police officers on Phuket, including Immigration and Tourist Police, and any information about the few bad officers among them should be passed to Major General Pekad.

    The outlook for solving some of Phuket's most entrenched problems involving tourists and expats seemed to participants to be far more positive after today's ''mini-UN'' summit on the island.

    Passports and confiscation of passports was perhaps the hottest topic during the high-profile session at Provincial Hall in Phuket City.

    Major General Pekad made the point that police did not normally notify honorary consuls if expats were involved in cases as witnesses or victims, but should do so if a person was held for 24 hours or more and charged.

    He said he would remind Phuket police officers of their obligations. Only in the most serious cases involving violence or drugs was a passport required to be confiscated.

    Senior Foreign Ministry personnel played a major part at today's gathering, joining Governor Wichai Praisa-ngob and German Ambassador Dr Hanns H. Schumacher on the rostrum. Their role is to continue in pursuing the issues raised today and at future summits.

    Governor Wichai, who retires before October, was praised for his efforts in establishing the regular quarterly gatherings, and a date has been set in November for the first ''mini-UN'' under his successor.

    Drugs, drink and violence appeared to be the cause of most arrests involving expat tourists, with the killing by American Ronald Fanelli and the present hunt for suspected British murderer Lee Aldhouse highlighted in the screen presentation.

    Governor Wichai said that crime levels among tourists and expats were not exceptional when compared to the Thai population.

    Among the most important pieces of news revealed today, the Governor said a letter of intent had been received from a Chinese developer who planned to build a light rail from Phuket Airport to Phuket City.

    He said the 5.8 billion Phuket airport extension and a 2.7 billion baht conference centre for the north of the island were also proceeding.

    His plan to compel the island's taxis to operate using meters and natural gas to reduce fares was expected to begin ''very very soon.''

    German Ambassador Dr Schumacher did not go into details today, but he did say: ''Passports are being confiscated. Kindly ask the police to cease this practice.'' Honorary consuls are expecting to meet with Major General Pekad to deal specifically with Phuket police passport confiscations.

    After the summit, Dr Schumacher said: "I do have the impression that we have the ball rolling. The Governor has promised to institutionalise the meetings, so we have a permanent exchange of communication.

    ''He has on several occasions called upon the honorary consuls and the embassies to report criticism or report incidents to the authorities.

    ''The German Embassy will take this invitation seriously and I hope my colleagues will not only raise criticism in general, but in future when we have a concrete problem to report, we will tell this to the authorities.

    ''This includes names and venues. I have the impression that the situation has definitely improved.''

    He said the Foreign Affairs Ministry had ''grasped the international importance'' of the issues and taken a '''creative initiative'' to open up a separate channel of communication when there are problems.

    ''Regarding corruption, you cannot focus on Phuket only,'' he said. ''It is in the rest of the world, too. The problem is known.

    ''The impression I take from this morning's seminar and this meeting is that we have an opportunity now to raise these issues publicly as well as confidentially.

    ''That is the first step to fight corruption. That is the step we have taken today.''

    Earlier this year, Governor Wichai advised tourists or expat residents with specific issues to inform their honorary consuls or embassies, or notify his office at Provincial Hall.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Governor Wichai, who retires before October
    Oh well, nothing achieved then, corruption back to normal.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    to reduce fares was expected to begin ''very very soon.''
    Thank God for that, there was I thinking they had forgotten this initiative and hoped that everyone else had....

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    I went to Phuket 4-5 times over the last 25 years, never understood what people like there. It is as expensive, or even more, than nice places in Europe and probably in America. Ugly, crowded, poor infrastructures ... For the mega rich who can afford a huge mansion over looking the sea, maybe, but for the rest of us ?

    This summer I met a couple of friends like me, late forties, who start to invest seriously in a nice place where to retire. They are talking of course of the south of France or Spain, but also Portugal, Croatia ... And I'm sure for our American friends they have similar places near home. There are not that expensive, probably much cheaper than a rathole in Phuket ...

    What the relation with this thread ? If our Thai friends don't want to clean their acts, we don't have to stay here. For myself I have now stopped investing in Thailand and I've started to look for a nice place in Europe. I'm not going to leave now, the main reason is because I'm working here. But I don't want to be stuck in Thailand. As someone said in an other thread, honest Thai people (and there are the majority) are suffering as much as foreigners. But it's their mess not mine, I'm not even authorized to own my own house.

    A friend of mine, accustomed to trouble, told me the fist thing he does when entering a new place, is look for the exits. IMO, when investing in Thailand it's a good strategy too.
    The things we regret most is the things we didn't do

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Phuket Police Chief: 'I Will Pursue Errant Officers'
    Liar Liar Pants On Fire!!

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    At the end of the day a nice holiday for all those important delegates. Handshakes all round and the feeling of accomplishment.

    Followed by Heinrich having his passport taken for speeding, told 20,000 to get it back and Mr shumacher nowhere to be seen.

    Total Bullshit, nothing will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    ''Thailand has signed the international convention on consular affairs and it has the legal commitment to inform the embassies as soon as possible.
    Dr Schumacher sounds like a very well meaning gentleman. And all of his comments have merit. Nevertheless he is wasting his time in Thailand, especially Phuket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    ...The investigation has so far achieved nothing and police have only concluded that corruption may have occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    ''Thailand has signed the international convention on consular affairs and it has the legal commitment to inform the embassies as soon as possible.
    Dr Schumacher sounds like a very well meaning gentleman. And all of his comments have merit. Nevertheless he is wasting his time in Thailand, especially Phuket.

    He's only been in Thailand 2 years right?
    Maybe he is yet to realise thai society is corrupt and rotten to the core. Good luck to him though..

    Re: Phuket. I am taking my parents to Thailand for a holiday soon. They went to Phuket in the 80's and wanted to go back, but there is no way in the world I would take my elderly parents to a phuket to be bullied and ripped off by the taxi/tuk tuk thugs - all for the privalige of riding in the back of a filthy rickety piece of shit!
    Phuck Phuket. We are going to chaing mai.

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