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Norton · 18-11-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Anyway, nationalism always works as a motivator on the simpleminded.

Add a pinch of religious motivation and we have an unstoppable force. Shame them nasty Cambodians aren't Muslims.

DrB0b · 18-11-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Forgive my ignorance, but, what has Chavalit done to cause the ire of PAD?

He joined Pheua Thai last month. That makes him a traitor in PAD's eyes. He also accepted partial responsibility for the exploding tear gas incident at the PAD blockade of parliament last year in which many PAD protesters were injured.

Attilla the Hen · 18-11-2009, 12:00 PM

^
Thanks. Didn't know that.
Greened.

Bangyai · 18-11-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gjbkk

Was it the French or the British Ambassador?

Andorra more likely........maybe Malta.

Bangyai · 18-11-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by killerbees

Anybody got the lyrics to "Scum of the Earth"? Sounds like it could be quite catchy. We might have a real hit on our hands.

I think its what Chelsea fans sing when playing Man Utd or Liverpool ...... translated into Thai of course.

Actually, DrBobs translation starts off sounding like a song against Chinese Thai citizens. Maybe the reds will start singing it too, the foreigners in this case being Chinese.

StrontiumDog · 18-11-2009, 12:35 PM

As Thaksin is of Chinese descent, that would be a rather odd move...

DrB0b · 18-11-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

As Thaksin is of Chinese descent, that would be a rather odd move...

As was Sangwan Talapad, late of Nonthaburi. Anyway, the song has nowt to do with Chinese, at the time it was written it was implying that the protesters were agents of Vietnam. The Thai words used at the start of the song also imply that these "scum of the earth" are not human and can be killed without guilt.

killerbees · 18-11-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

I know you're taking the piss but this song has a truly horrible history. This was the theme tune to the 1976 Massacre.

Many thanks, Dr. B. You're correct. I was taking the piss, but only about 70%. I was also quite interested to know more about the song, particularly what the lyrics might be, so I appreciate your taking the time to post them.

The OP mentions that the song was "royally penned"... do you happen to know who it was that wrote this ditty?

Smug Farang Bore · 18-11-2009, 12:57 PM

The power of indoctrination.

Theres more to come.

killerbees · 18-11-2009, 01:01 PM

A September 2007 post from New Mandala contains a short bit about one of the myths contained within the song.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Walker

My understanding is that the term “nak phaen din” (literally, heavy on the earth) derives from a Buddhist tale in which the ambitious and arrogant Phra Tewatat attempts to kill the Buddha. He is punished for his sins by being sucked into the earth (suup phaen din). Phra Tewatat is the stereotypical villain who, as one friend put it, “betrays parents, nation, religion or king.” It is not hard to see who is being cast as Phra Tewatat in the current political climate. And his followers, of course, are the scum of the earth.
Scum of the earth

DrB0b · 18-11-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by killerbees

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

I know you're taking the piss but this song has a truly horrible history. This was the theme tune to the 1976 Massacre.

Many thanks, Dr. B. You're correct. I was taking the piss, but only about 70%. I was also quite interested to know more about the song, particularly what the lyrics might be, so I appreciate your taking the time to post them.

The OP mentions that the song was "royally penned"... do you happen to know who it was that wrote this ditty?

I don't know. Thai wikipedia says it was written by พ.อ.บุญส่ง หักฤทธิ์ศึก, which, translated, is Colonel Boonsong Hakritseuk. That sounds like a pseudonym to me as it means something like Colonel Who Delivers Meritorious Deeds With The Mighty Power of the Army.

Mr Lick · 18-11-2009, 02:52 PM

Many thanks for your input Dr Bob. Much appreciated. If i were a Thai i would be quite concerned that such evil rantings are originating from the self professed 'intellectuals' of the country who on their own admittance will be attempting to prevent northern Thai's from voting should they ever come to power. They are clearly trapped in a time warp and consequently may be more suited to an Islamic world rather than a Buddhist one.

Mr R Sole · 18-11-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by killerbees

Anybody got the lyrics to "Scum of the Earth"? Sounds like it could be quite catchy. We might have a real hit on our hands.

They sing it every morning at my school....

Thai National Anthem

Thailand embraces in its bosom all people of Thai blood
Every inch of Thailand belongs to the Thais
It has long maintained its sovereignty
Because the Thais have always been united
The Thai people are peace-loving
But they are no cowards at war
They shall allow no one to rob them of their independence
Nor shall they suffer tyranny
All Thais are ready to give up every drop of blood
For the nation's safety, freedom and progress.

lines 5,8,9 and 10 I find most disturbing and funny...

Ours goes something like this..

God save the Queen.

God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.

There is a longer version, which is a little troubling too...

Also..

Rule, Britannia!
Lyrics

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

When Britain first, at heaven's command,
Arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter of the land,
And Guardian Angels sang this strain:

(Chorus)

The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.

(Chorus)

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke,
As the loud blast that tears the skies
Serves but to root thy native oak.

(Chorus)

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame;
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame,
But work their woe and thy renown.

(Chorus)

To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles, thine.

(Chorus)

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coasts repair.
Blest isle! with matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.

(Chorus)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

This I prefer if at all. As it seems more like a jab in the eye to the Roman empire and being colonised...rather than we're gonna kill you if we don't like you and you ain't from round ere'...type of national anthem...either way they (national anthems) mainly seem to be quite violent...so get rid of them all I say..

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

They look like Thais and they call themselves Thai Living under the shade of the King's golden Bodhi Tree
But they only want to destroy
They see the Thais as slaves, they despise the Thais But they enslave the Thais and live on their wealth
(Chorus)Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth

They admire the foreigner, they arouse the mob They make Thais fight each other, splitting and confusing the people They kill Thais so they can steal their wealth
They love foreigners as if they were their own family
(Chorus) Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth

Anybody who sells the nation, opening the way to the enemy Sapping our spirit and our will, making us weak so the enemy can destroy us Anybody who hates Thai tradition and Thai Ways, we do not want him.
They despise religion, they are immoral people who spread filth in our villages (Chorus) Scum of the earth, scum of the earth, those people are scum of the earth

Your right it's a very catchy little ditty isn't it....

Peace loving peoples, my anal cavity.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

A right-wing monk asserted that killing of leftists was not a religious sin since it killed the Evil One

Right-wing monks!!! WTF....you see they've got it all wrong over here..Buddhists my rectum...."All sentient beings" I believe the Buddha said..not all sentient beings except the ones that don't agree with me!!!! Where do these morons get off...
What I believe GOD ment to say was, never been that presumptuous" Bill Hicks.

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

From two o’clock in the morning of 6 October l976, police and raging paramilitary groups co-operatively surrounded Thammasat University, where four to five thousand people had gathered peacefully all night to protest the return of one of the former dictators ousted three years earlier. Occasionally throughout the night, gunfire from personal handguns was heard from time to time, and self-made explosive devices were thrown into campus buildings. It was a very tense morning, two days after two activists had been hanged while putting up protest posters, and only hours after a student theatrical skit re-enacting the hanging had been accused by the military of staging a satire of the hanging of the Crown Prince in effigy. Students were never given an opportunity to rebut this allegation in public. By sunrise, it was already too late. At 5:30 am, a rocket-propelled bomb was fired into the crowd inside Thammasat. Four were killed instantly and dozens injured. That bomb signaled the beginning of the non-stop discharge of military weapons that went on until about 9 a.m. Anti-tank missiles were fired into the Commerce building which by then sheltered a third of the crowd. Outside the university, after the besieging forces had stormed into the campus, they dragged some students out. Lynching began. Two were tortured, hanged and beaten even after death on the trees encircling Sanam Luang, the huge public space that separates Thammasat and the Grand Palace by only a two minute walking distance. A female student, chased until she fell to the ground, was sexually assaulted and tortured until she died. Inside the campus, apart from the unknown number of casualties from weapons, more were lynched. A student leader, Jaruphong Thongsin, a friend of mine, was dragged along the soccer field by a piece of cloth around his neck. Later, six bodies were laid on the ground at Sanam Luang for a man to nail wooden stakes into their chests. On the street in front of the Ministry of Justice, on the other side of Sanam Luang opposite Thammasat, four bodies -- unknown if being already dead or still alive--were piled up with tires, soaked with petrol, and then set aflame. These brutal murders took place as a public spectacle. Many of the onlookers, including young boys, clapped their hands in joy.

Truely savage...very sad indeed..again, where's there Buddhist philosophy at work here??????

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Originally Posted by kmart

I'm going to be humming that at work all day now.

Get a free yellow T-shirt after repeating it 3 times!!! yours is in the post Kmart...

Super Swan · 18-11-2009, 04:58 PM

On the subject of T-shirts. Just finished Uni and the crowds are building up for the football tonight. There is a new Yellow T-shirt being worn that I have not seen before with the words:

"Thailand belongs to us" Across the middle.

gjbkk · 18-11-2009, 05:51 PM

PAD claims to speak for the Thai people

ASTV/Manager Online (15 November 2009) posts the People’s Alliance for Democracy’s “The Thai People’s Declaration to the World” and includes a video of its delivery. While PAD’s claim to speak for all Thais is grandiose PPT reproduces it in full, with some emphasis added by us, to provide the flavor of PAD’s royalism and nationalism. At the same time, it shows that Thaksin remains the enemy for PAD:

We are the people of the Kingdom of Thailand and are citizens who are loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy. We gather here today at Sanam Luang in the capital city of Bangkok and are joined in spirit and in faith by Thai citizens from across the Kingdom.

We come today to declare our purpose to everyone around the world, the following:

1. The Kingdom of Thailand is one kingdom that cannot and will not be divided. The people of Thailand have always been and continue to be loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy. The Kingdom of Thailand is governed under a constitutional monarchy and will never be ruled by any other system because we, the people of Thailand, are prepared to protect our nation, our religion, our King, our independence, our sovereignty, and our national interests…we protect these institutions with our lives.

2. Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty by the Supreme Court of Thailand for abuse of power and continues to flee and remain on the run. While he is hiding from the law, he is still wanted in many other corruption cases, but continues to create trouble and harm Thailand and its people, increasingly so that he has become the most wanted fugitive in the Kingdom’s recent history. Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra will repay and return all assets that he has acquired through unjust means.

We, the people of Thailand, will continue to monitor and demand those assets until they are rightfully returned to Thailand.

3. We declare that Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra has now become an enemy to the Kingdom of Thailand. He has become a traitor to his motherland by threatening Thailand’s national security and becoming an antagonist to Thailand’s constitutional monarchy. He has conspired with the enemy in undermining Thailand’s dignity.

It has been apparent throughout his years as a fugitive that Thaksin Shinawatra has tried his best to incite political and ideological separation among Thais nationwide and also between the Kingdom of Thailand and its neighbor, Cambodia…a conflict that will not only affect Thai citizens, but also holds repercussions for the people of Cambodia and the citizens of Southeast Asia as a whole.

4. We declare that the Kingdom of Thailand’s justice system is fair and just….a system that utilizes judicial, humanitarian, and compassionate philosophies in deliberating cases. While trying to disgrace and discredit Thailand’s judicial system around the world, Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra uses that same judicial system to file lawsuits against others as well. He has now become the Kingdom’s most frequent plaintiff.

We condemn Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra and Mr. Hun Sen for dishonoring the Kingdom of Thailand’s judicial system. In doing so, both have also insulted the people of Thailand in the most shameful way and, for this, should never be forgiven.

5. We declare that the Kingdom of Thailand and the Kingdom of Cambodia and its peoples remain friendly neighbors. We, therefore, call upon Mr. Hun Sen to cease his activities in conspiring with Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra in turning Thailand into an enemy of Cambodia. Mr. Hun Sen should also immediately strengthen ties with Thailand and urgently act upon what is called for in Former King His Majesty Norodom Sihanu’s [sic] royal missive.

6. Following in our ancestors footsteps, we, the people of Thailand, continue to be at peace with our neighbors and the world. We are dedicated to cooperating with the peoples and governments of nations around the world in protecting world peace, human rights, and the wellbeing of mankind.

Our gathering today reflects a great deal about the current state of the Kingdom of Thailand. Our presence represents Thai citizens who remain devoted to protecting the honor and dignity of our nation, our King, and our constitutional monarchy as stipulated in the Kingdom of Thailand’s constitution.

Declared to those present here and around the world…November 15, 2009 at Sanam Luang, Bangkok, Kingdom of Thailand

With Heartfelt Respect and Peace

The People of Thailand

Who remain loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy

I would have thought it would be LM to drag the kings name in or to possibly suggest he is in support of a fascist rally

Mid · 18-11-2009, 05:57 PM

typically they want it both ways ...................

He has conspired with the enemy

peoples remain friendly neighbors.

Warwick · 18-11-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Swan

On the subject of T-shirts. Just finished Uni and the crowds are building up for the football tonight. There is a new Yellow T-shirt being worn that I have not seen before with the words:

"Thailand belongs to us" Across the middle.

corvettelover · 18-11-2009, 07:45 PM

PAD the downfall of the thai people is more to the truth sad really

cambtek · 18-11-2009, 09:31 PM

Crikey these thais make the khmer look positively angelic...

StrontiumDog · 18-11-2009, 10:08 PM

That missive from the PAD is so utterly out there as to be laughable...who are they trying to kid? Oh, right, I know...everyone, including themselves.

18-11-2009, 02:52 PM	#32 (permalink)
Mr Lick Nakhon Sawan Last Online: Today 12:00 AM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mountain view Posts: 318	Many thanks for your input Dr Bob. Much appreciated. If i were a Thai i would be quite concerned that such evil rantings are originating from the self professed 'intellectuals' of the country who on their own admittance will be attempting to prevent northern Thai's from voting should they ever come to power. They are clearly trapped in a time warp and consequently may be more suited to an Islamic world rather than a Buddhist one. Last edited by Mr Lick : 18-11-2009 at 07:13 PM.

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gjbkk Baa Gaam Member Last Online: Yesterday 11:01 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: โรงแรมม่านรูด Posts: 4,229	PAD claims to speak for the Thai people ASTV/Manager Online (15 November 2009) posts the People’s Alliance for Democracy’s “The Thai People’s Declaration to the World” and includes a video of its delivery. While PAD’s claim to speak for all Thais is grandiose PPT reproduces it in full, with some emphasis added by us, to provide the flavor of PAD’s royalism and nationalism. At the same time, it shows that Thaksin remains the enemy for PAD: We are the people of the Kingdom of Thailand and are citizens who are loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy. We gather here today at Sanam Luang in the capital city of Bangkok and are joined in spirit and in faith by Thai citizens from across the Kingdom. We come today to declare our purpose to everyone around the world, the following: 1. The Kingdom of Thailand is one kingdom that cannot and will not be divided. The people of Thailand have always been and continue to be loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy. The Kingdom of Thailand is governed under a constitutional monarchy and will never be ruled by any other system because we, the people of Thailand, are prepared to protect our nation, our religion, our King, our independence, our sovereignty, and our national interests…we protect these institutions with our lives. 2. Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty by the Supreme Court of Thailand for abuse of power and continues to flee and remain on the run. While he is hiding from the law, he is still wanted in many other corruption cases, but continues to create trouble and harm Thailand and its people, increasingly so that he has become the most wanted fugitive in the Kingdom’s recent history. Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra will repay and return all assets that he has acquired through unjust means. We, the people of Thailand, will continue to monitor and demand those assets until they are rightfully returned to Thailand. 3. We declare that Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra has now become an enemy to the Kingdom of Thailand. He has become a traitor to his motherland by threatening Thailand’s national security and becoming an antagonist to Thailand’s constitutional monarchy. He has conspired with the enemy in undermining Thailand’s dignity. It has been apparent throughout his years as a fugitive that Thaksin Shinawatra has tried his best to incite political and ideological separation among Thais nationwide and also between the Kingdom of Thailand and its neighbor, Cambodia…a conflict that will not only affect Thai citizens, but also holds repercussions for the people of Cambodia and the citizens of Southeast Asia as a whole. 4. We declare that the Kingdom of Thailand’s justice system is fair and just….a system that utilizes judicial, humanitarian, and compassionate philosophies in deliberating cases. While trying to disgrace and discredit Thailand’s judicial system around the world, Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra uses that same judicial system to file lawsuits against others as well. He has now become the Kingdom’s most frequent plaintiff. We condemn Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra and Mr. Hun Sen for dishonoring the Kingdom of Thailand’s judicial system. In doing so, both have also insulted the people of Thailand in the most shameful way and, for this, should never be forgiven. 5. We declare that the Kingdom of Thailand and the Kingdom of Cambodia and its peoples remain friendly neighbors. We, therefore, call upon Mr. Hun Sen to cease his activities in conspiring with Fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra in turning Thailand into an enemy of Cambodia. Mr. Hun Sen should also immediately strengthen ties with Thailand and urgently act upon what is called for in Former King His Majesty Norodom Sihanu’s [sic] royal missive. 6. Following in our ancestors footsteps, we, the people of Thailand, continue to be at peace with our neighbors and the world. We are dedicated to cooperating with the peoples and governments of nations around the world in protecting world peace, human rights, and the wellbeing of mankind. Our gathering today reflects a great deal about the current state of the Kingdom of Thailand. Our presence represents Thai citizens who remain devoted to protecting the honor and dignity of our nation, our King, and our constitutional monarchy as stipulated in the Kingdom of Thailand’s constitution. Declared to those present here and around the world…November 15, 2009 at Sanam Luang, Bangkok, Kingdom of Thailand With Heartfelt Respect and Peace The People of Thailand Who remain loyal to our nation, our religion, and our monarchy I would have thought it would be LM to drag the kings name in or to possibly suggest he is in support of a fascist rally __________________ * "If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you " To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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18-11-2009, 12:00 PM	#23 (permalink)
Attilla the Hen Phra Pathom Chedi Last Online: 07-02-2010 08:41 AM Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 861	^ Thanks. Didn't know that. Greened.

18-11-2009, 12:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
StrontiumDog Thailand Forum Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,139	As Thaksin is of Chinese descent, that would be a rather odd move...

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Smug Farang Bore Phi Phi Island Last Online: Yesterday 11:22 PM Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 499	The power of indoctrination. Theres more to come.

18-11-2009, 04:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
Super Swan Nakhon Ratchasima Last Online: Yesterday 03:43 PM Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 246	On the subject of T-shirts. Just finished Uni and the crowds are building up for the football tonight. There is a new Yellow T-shirt being worn that I have not seen before with the words: "Thailand belongs to us" Across the middle.

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Mid Nautical Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,580	typically they want it both ways ................... He has conspired with the enemy peoples remain friendly neighbors.

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corvettelover Satun Last Online: Yesterday 01:03 PM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 650	PAD the downfall of the thai people is more to the truth sad really

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cambtek Koh Samet Last Online: Yesterday 08:39 AM Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 94	Crikey these thais make the khmer look positively angelic...

18-11-2009, 10:08 PM	#40 (permalink)
StrontiumDog Thailand Forum Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,139	That missive from the PAD is so utterly out there as to be laughable...who are they trying to kid? Oh, right, I know...everyone, including themselves.

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