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http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...hi-deaths.html (Norway proffs go to work on PhiPhi deaths riddle)

The above post at least needs to be referenced here, as this thread is the most complete accounting.

MustavaMond

I'd really like to know why the St Onge family cremated Jill's body so quickly.. What kind of coroner would allow a body to be cremated under such circumstances - A Thai coroner ..

Did the US Embassy advise otherwise?

God- damn it, some shit went on in the Phi Phi /Phuket region last summer St Onge, Bergheim in Phi Phi , The German man in Phuket, the Kuwait woman who took a day trip to Phi Phi returned to Phuket and died... Assorted bodies washing up, stranglings , shootings, C'mon, has it always been this.... deathly ?

Tourist, Beware !


Text of article ref above ^ post


http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...hi-deaths.html (Norway proffs go to work on PhiPhi deaths riddle)

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Norway's Professors Pursue Phi Phi Killer Riddle

By Alan Morison and Chutima Sidasathian
Wednesday, October 7, 2009
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Norway's Professors Pursue Phi Phi Killer Riddle - Phuket Wan

THE BEST forensic scientists in Norway are now trying to solve the year's most mystifying puzzle: what caused the sudden deaths of two young women tourists who occupied adjoining rooms in a guesthouse on Phi Phi, a tropical island paradise.

Two Scandinavian professors are attempting to put the pieces in place to resolve a mystery half a world away, a riddle that has so far eluded the best scientific endeavors Thailand can muster.



It's unusual to have scientists from one country become so deeply involved in a police case in another country. But then, the Phi Phi deaths are, as far as Phuketwan is able to tell, unique.

How did they die? Why did they die? These are questions that so far have no answers.

Norway is a relatively large country with a small-population, a nation that takes precious pride in maintaining a sense of community.

Life is treasured. Such is the level of concern about what took place involving Julie Bergheim at the Laleena Guesthouse on Phi Phi back in May that Norway decided on a diplomatically unconventional response.

With one or two possible exceptions, everybody wants the case solved. Norwegian Julie Bergheim, 22, and an American, Jill St Onge, 27, were young women in the prime of their lives before that strange weekend in paradise.

The family of the American woman is just as keen to have the case solved as Julie Bergheim's family. After all, Jill St Onge was on what amounted to a pre-nuptials honeymoon with her husband to be, Ryan Kells, when they both fell ill at Laleena.

The difference is a vital one. The Norwegian scientists have a body. The Americans do not.

In the aftermath of the two sudden deaths on Phi Phi, the bodies of both women were taken to Bangkok, and subjected to autopsies. Jill St Onge was cremated soon after at a Buddhist temple. Julie Bergheim was transported home.

Phuketwan has been led to believe that officials at the Norwegian embassy in Bangkok, where the ambassador and staff never give journalists any information, actually played a key role in orchestrating the second autopsy.

THE EMAIL was short and to the point: ''You are correctly informed that I, together with a colleague professor of forensic medicine, have been given the task to perform a second autopsy on the deceased in question, which has been done. The case is not yet concluded, but even when it is, we shall not be allowed to disclose the results to anybody else than Norwegian Police.

''Sincerely yours
Kari Ormstad,
professor of forensic medicine, MD, PhD''

And that was that. Our follow-up email, requesting the name of the other professor and the date of the second autopsy, brought no response.

Public Prosecutor Sjak Haaheim was a little more forthcoming when we telephoned. He knows that the practice of starting a second inquiry into a police case in another country is highly unusual.

As the leading prosecutor in Julie Bergheim's home county, it was his approval that was required for a second investigation, more properly called a ''survey,'' to commence.

Did it come because of the large groundswell of interest in solving a case involving a young Norwegian traveller, that national sense of community? Probably.

''My decision,'' Mr Haaheim tells us, ''was strongly motivated by the wishes of the family.

''We are not in any way putting a case for doubt on the Thai autopsy. It is just a second opinion. I decided there was a need to open a 'survey' case.''

The two forensic science professors performed the autopsy in June and have been working towards a set of findings ever since. The findings, says Mr Haaheim, will be presented to the family first, then made public.

Results may be sent back to the Thai authorities ''through diplomatic channels.'' At this stage, exactly what the reaction might be among the Thai investigators can only be the subject of speculation.

Of the four people who fell ill that weekend at Laleena Guesthouse, two are dead. Ryan Kells has told his version of events in an online blog.

He maintains that he noticed a chemical smell when he and Miss St Onge checked in that Saturday. He believes a gas made them both sick, and killed Miss Onge.

The other person with first-hand experience of what happened is Miss Bergheim's 19-year-old friend, another Norwegian, who also fell ill and only recovered after treatment in intensive care.

She has never given a public account of what happened. Mr Haaheim says he considered interviewing the woman, but it was decided that her privacy and her wishes should be respected.

What the 'survey' team has that the Thai investigators did not have is access to Norwegian medical records and, Mr Haaheim says, ''other information.''

SO THERE are three pockets of concern, spread across the globe, as the investigation remains at a standstill in Thailand and the 'survey' continues in Norway.

From the western seaboard of America, the Onge family has made it known online that they were not happy with the Thai autopsy report, which consisted of just three pages when they were expecting about 20. The material had to be translated into English first at the US Embassy in Bangkok, another time-consuming element in the process.

Some of the documents are confusing. This is especially the case with results of an ''environmental quality test'' made on June 13, six weeks after the deaths, that showed the presence of several gases in samples taken from Room 6 at Laleena Guesthouse at 1.35pm, but nothing in a slightly different test at 1.43pm.

The owner of the guesthouse, Rat Chuped, still maintains that there was nothing in her establishment capable of causing death.

She has no explanation for the illness that struck four healthy young people in adjoining Rooms 4 and 5 that May weekend.

Tourists are back now, staying in those same rooms, as if nothing unusual ever happened. Phi Phi is about an hour by ferry from Phuket, and the number of visitors is beginning to rise now for the holiday high season.

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gaiawanderland

I'll be visiting Phi Phi really soon....does anyone know where laleena guesthouse is located?

guyinthailand

Nov 16, 2009
Phuketwan Update
Norwegian forensic scientists are continuing to probe the cause of death of Julie Bergheim, the young tourist who died with American Jill St Onge in mysterious circumstances on Phi Phi in May. Thai police were unable to determine the cause of death of the two, who stayed in adjoining rooms at Laleena Guesthouse. The Norwegians held a second autopsy on Miss Bergheim and are continuing a painstaking hunt for indicators.

Thungsongsausage

How long does this fcuking take?? Are they doing the usual thing by fcuking around and hopefully it will get swept under the carpet..... Thai police are a joke