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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    However, the prime minister said that the government would work harder to persuade Washington to upgrade Thailand's status. There is still no need to issue new intellectual property laws as the current ones still work, he continued.
    The first thing that Thailand should do is join one of the 2 global patent treaties being either the Paris Convention or the PCT.

    150 odd countries have agreed to formally register and abide by those treaties but Thailand is one of the few countries that feel it is not necessary to join.

    Why Mr. Aphisit?..............got sumpting to hide?

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    As internet speeds continue to increase and virtually all music, movies, images and software are digital, enforcement of existing IP laws has become a losing battle. Any one of us can get on a P2P site and exchange even the most recent films and music.

    The producers of this media are certainly entitled to make a profit from their investment but the realities are such these industries must devise a new business model. Using antiquated IP laws which are becoming impossible to enforce isn't going to stem the steady erosion of their profits.

    The music industry is probably in the best position to adapt to the realities of our digital world. Lot's of ideas have been put forth to change the model. One which has some appeal is to give away the music as a promotion to make profit through live concerts.

    I don't know where the solution lies but continuing to try and enforce IP laws as they now stand is fruitless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    why do so many people have a hard on about enforcing seppo laws in other countries.

    laws that have been created specifically for corporations that have used the western corruption method - lobbying
    Ah, right - thanks for reminding me that you're the guy advocating and condoning theft, over in the laptop thread. No surprise to see you voice that opinion here.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    If your property was that intellectual - how the fcuk is some dumb cnut able to "steal" it ?

    why don't they stop their marketing spin and call it what it really is - legally sanctioned sales monopoly rights.
    There you go - spoke like another unemployed expat, scraping by on the dole, and blaming 'The Man' for his own failures... How typical..

    Quote Originally Posted by donald36 View Post
    What a stupid comment --you dont pay to get a degree from Oxford--you are clearly a product of the Issaan education system
    I think Spin (as well as Mid and a couple of the other clowns) have amply demonstrated that in this and other threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    Utter nonsense again from you Daffy, the Thaksin administration started several initiatives against IP theft and were relatively successful in their endeavours.

    Before Thaksin came to power counterfeit goods were available absolutely everywhere in open view. Contrast that to the end of his term in office and a lot of the counterfeits were off the streets.
    I can only speak for the period of 2003 to 2006, when I visited Thailand roughly 12-15 times -- I never had the slightest bit of trouble locating counterfeit goods, or bootleg DVDs and CDs *anywhere* in Bangkok, Pattaya, udonthani, etc...

    The only times when Bangkok was truly devoid of counterfeit goods, was during the big APEC conference (when Bush was in town), and all the vendors closed shop 1 day before delegates arrived, and kept their stores shut for the 5 days APEC lasted. It was an eery sight to see near empty sidewalks, and the ground floor of Panthip Plaza having all stalls covered by tarps.

    Mind you, less than 24 hours after the delegates left, the sidewalks were filled with the same merchandise, and Panthip vendors were enthusiastically trying to sell me on their 'DVD movie! DVD movie! Porno movie! Porno movie!" again - and I was able to score some excellent deals on counterfeit watches, counterfeit bags, and similar items the days following this -- including every year after that.

    If anything, I noticed much of this business being more hush-hush, and moved in the backrooms *after* 2006, yet still not even remotely difficult to get to.

    What Thaksin *did* do is have meetings with high-ranking VPs of the MPAA, assuring them and giving them his promise that piracy, and IP violations were eliminated, and no longer existed in Thailand - which the Americans believed of course.

    I happen to have been working with the MPAA at the time, and I also happened to be going to Thailand at the time, which is why I offered to check the situation out - but was assured that since they received the assurances of the Prime Minister, that they are confident piracy was eliminated.

    I was able to send back an email within an hour of checking into my hotel, with pictures of all the DVDs I just bought, of movies that are currently in the theatres - along with screenshots, and notes of the prices, and how long it took me to procure them. I then spent another hour documenting a dozen other vendors around my hotel all selling the same.

    I still cherish the reply I received an hour later : "This is very disappointing"

    Then again, I guess Thaksin's promises were worth just as much then, as they are now -- so, please don't tell me about the wonderful things Thaksin has done to stem the tide of IP violations. He has done no more and no less than everyone else -- a couple of visible busts, photo ops with seized merchandise, and exagerated claims on what was seized.

    Now, if you were arguing about his war on drugs, you'd have a point - he made a dent, and I suspect the triad hit rumors stem more from the drug initiative, than the IP initiative...

    At this point, Abhisit is just talking about this, but his talk at least admits that there is a problem - it remains to be seen what he is going to do about it. AT this point, he's not done any worse than Thaksin.

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    fcuk u duck
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Ah, right - thanks for reminding me that you're the guy advocating and condoning theft, over in the laptop thread.
    but you are the mac fanboi ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    and blaming 'The Man' for his own failures
    so blithe - your perspicacity knows no bounds

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    Personally I love copyed stuff it means that I can actually get it in the first place!! try and find your favourite movie or old music in a Thai shop....impossible.

    So if it wasn't for all the P2P sites and mass copiers then I would be without some of the great stuff I left back in the UK....and I ain't flying all the way home just to find out my scumbag family have destroyed it or ruined it.

    As for these poor companies and artists....I don't believe for one second that they are skint...find me a CEO or even a lonely worker for one of these huge companies that lives in squaler????

    I remember when CD's came out and replaced my beloved vinyl, well they were saying that they would be cheaper than vinyl.....what a crock of Shi't* that turned out to be. From what I can gather CD's should be cheaper than vinyl by far and with all the recycling out there they should almost be free... then and only then would I believe that these companies really need to charge a substantial amount to pay the artists involved in making the music/movies etc in the first place.

    All you hear out of the movie and music press is this movie made this many millions on it's first night being shown (in one fricking cinema) or this CD has broken so many millions of copies!!! get a grip. I would never again pay 20 quid for a CD from HMV or whomever...DOWNLOAD....that's the way to go.

    I remember some years ago I saw Arnold Scwarzenneger and Jackie Chan doing a commercial asking people to stop piracy....what a cheek these guys are absolutely minted out of their minds, and have the cheek to ask other people to stop making money (all be it out of them) but hey come on guys, a little compassion to people who aren't as fortunate as yourselves....you greedy Cnuts.

    There ends my rant. enjoy and a big to conglomerates everywhere. stop charging so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud
    it's not a lie if you believe it.
    I can read it on the internet - so I know it is FACT.

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    ^^ After years of this discussion about P2P and piracy I believe a few things have crystallized for artists:
    - Big pop stars and record labels make much less money than in the past
    - Small, unknown artists heavily profit from their music being much more widely distributed
    - Good live bands sell more tickets and make more money having concerts in places where their music isn't even officially sold.

    I certainly don't feel bad about downloading a lot of my music, in one way or another I still spend a lot of money on it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    fcuk u duck
    Must have hit a nerve --- called 'truth'.

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    idiot , you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a bucket of wheat from 50 .

    refrain from referencing me toerag .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    I think Spin (as well as Mid and a couple of the other clowns) have amply demonstrated that in this and other threads.
    I asked the other guy to explain what he's on about and I'll ask you also.

    What is the Isaan education system? and is it bad?

    I ask because many members on here have their kids learning in the "Isaan education system".

    Lets hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    The first thing that Thailand should do is join one of the 2 global patent treaties being either the Paris Convention or the PCT.

    150 odd countries have agreed to formally register and abide by those treaties but Thailand is one of the few countries that feel it is not necessary to join.

    Why Mr. Aphisit?..............got sumpting to hide?
    How long have the Paris Convention and the PCT been around? (1883 and 1970, respectively)

    How long has Abhisit been in power?

    What have prior administrations (*cough* Thaksin *cough*) done about joining the Paris Convention or PCT?

    Thailand had joined the Paris Convention on August 2nd, 2008 - making it the 170th country to join.

    You were saying?

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    ^ Well that makes you and now me and maybe one other government official who applied for the membership aware of this fact. (Thailand had joined the Paris Convention on August 2nd, 2008 - making it the 170th country to join). Now all I have to do is find the notary public person and to confirm they retain full membership.

    Actually if Thailand are full members it has saved me a trip to Singapore now and to apply for my new patent so your news is very good news for me and thanks for the update Daffy.

    For your info the PCT is a far more recognized and used intellectual property forum and I hope Thailand has also joined that treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Actually if Thailand are full members it has saved me a trip to Singapore now and to apply for my new patent so your news is very good news for me and thanks for the update Daffy.
    Glad that's worked out for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    For your info the PCT is a far more recognized and used intellectual property forum and I hope Thailand has also joined that treaty.
    They are working on that - as of January of 2008:

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    11 January 2008 - MIP WEEK

    Thailand ratified accession to the Paris Convention and the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) on 10 January 2008. The legal instrument of accession to the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property was submitted to the WIPO on 2 May 2008, thus Thailand became bound by the Paris Convention on 2 August 2008, bringing the total number of States party to the said Convention to 173.

    Thailand has been a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO). Prior to 2 August 2008, only priority applications filed in other WTO countries were allowed to be claimed in Thailand provided the Thailand applications are filed within 12 months from the priority application filing date. Patent applications filed in other countries which originated from Thailand were not allowed to claim the priority of the corresponding Thailand application if the patent laws in the countries only allow priority claims from priority applications filed in Paris Convention member states. This is true as the Paris Convention only allows the priority date to be claimed if the priority application was filed in a Paris Convention member country.

    As Thailand is now part of the Paris Convention, Thai applicants will be delighted to note that their patent applications filed overseas will enjoy the priority dates of their Thai applications.

    As for the PCT, the Council of State, legal advisor to the State, will make recommendations as to whether the Ministry of Commerce can amend the Ministerial Regulation to accept international applications without amending the Patents Act or if the Patents Act must be amended. If the council of State deems that amending the Ministerial Regulation is sufficient, Thailand will be able to accede to the PCT. This development would allow patent applications filed overseas to enjoy the priority dates of their Thai counterparts.
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    I used to buy cheap, unreliable, dodgy pirated DVD's but now I've seen the light. It's free and much more reliable to download them from the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    I can only speak for the period of 2003 to 2006, when I visited Thailand roughly 12-15 times -- I never had the slightest bit of trouble locating counterfeit goods, or bootleg DVDs and CDs *anywhere* in Bangkok, Pattaya, udonthani, etc...
    So as you have only been visiting Thailand as a tourist since 2003 how can you possibly know how the situation was before Thaksin took power in 2001? Or indeed, how the situation really was during your three years of sporadic visits as a tourist?

    The article I linked to earlier shows your 'experiences' are not an indication of how well the Thaksin administration was doing in the fight against IP infringement.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    wonderful things Thaksin has done to stem the tide of IP violations. He has done no more and no less than everyone else -- a couple of visible busts, photo ops with seized merchandise, and exagerated claims on what was seized.
    Again...

    The report does recognise that various efforts were made within Thailand in 2003 to strengthen the IP regime here (notably by the enactment of various new laws). Unfortunately, the report does not fully credit the recent enforcement drives and anti-piracy initiatives that have resulted in quite a successful clamp-down on IP infringers.

    Êӹѡ§Ò¹à¨Ã¨Òࢵ¡ÒäéÒàÊÃÕä·Â-[at]Õè»Øè¹ [JTEP Office] : ¡ÃзÃǧ¡ÒõèÒ§»ÃÐà·È

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    At this point, Abhisit is just talking about this, but his talk at least admits that there is a problem - it remains to be seen what he is going to do about it. AT this point, he's not done any worse than Thaksin.
    He's admitted the laws themselves are adequate, those laws of course were brought in by Thaksin's government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    So as you have only been visiting Thailand as a tourist since 2003 how can you possibly know how the situation was before Thaksin took power in 2001? Or indeed, how the situation really was during your three years of sporadic visits as a tourist?
    You will notice how I *did* qualify my statement, specifically pointing out the limit of my experience.

    Nevertheless, this does not take away from my experience of having been able, with extreme ease, acquire IP violating merchandise during that time.

    Since you obviously have a lot more experience, I await your information on how much different the situation was prior to 2001 - I'd be curious to find out.

    Furthermore, you seem to be implying that apparently everytime I left the country after one of my trips, the situation of IP violating merchandise drastically changed, only to return to what I saw as I was returning a couple of months later -- seriously, I had no idea that Thailand's IP enforcing regimen was based on my trip frequency. Learn something new, I guess....

    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    Unfortunately, the report does not fully credit the recent enforcement drives and anti-piracy initiatives that have resulted in quite a successful clamp-down on IP infringers.
    If the products remain widely available, then it does not matter what the report claims - I have addressed this with my anecdotal story of the MPAA -- there's a lot of show arrests, some busts for show, and highly stylized verbal promises of eradication of all piracy, and carefully guided tours of cleaned parts of town where nary a counterfeit good can be seen -- which the Americans of course take at face value, and never bother to test.


    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    He's admitted the laws themselves are adequate, those laws of course were brought in by Thaksin's government.
    'admitted' is the wrong choice of words, but he stated that the laws were adequate -- and why should he not. The laws, on the books, are solid and adequate - the problem lies in enforcement, or lack thereof. There was next to no enforcement under Thaksin, and nothing has changed. Any changes Abhisit would need to make, is step up enforcement -- which is not an easy task.

    In fact, the whole IP Violation issue is nothing but a giant game -- the reports I submitted between 2003-2007 regarding the state of counterfeit products in Thailand, along with recommendations for strategies to assist in enforcing IP laws, certainly paid for my trips, and generously took care of my living expenses (your IP dollars at work), but not a single of these observations or recommendations were acted upon -- the point is, the IP watchdogs on the US side care just as little, as the enforcers on the Thai side.

    The ones who care are the actual manufacturers, who turn to the IP watchdogs, who don't give a crap. It's all just politics, and only serves for posturing on either side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    You will notice how I *did* qualify my statement, specifically pointing out the limit of my experience.
    That may or may not be the truth, we have no way of verifying it here.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Nevertheless, this does not take away from my experience of having been able, with extreme ease, acquire IP violating merchandise during that time.
    That is no indication of a Government's success or lack thereof at enforcing laws aimed at IP infringement, especially in Thailand where the problem is so widespread.

    Through the years, since 2001, obtaining counterfeit merchandise has got gradually more difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Since you obviously have a lot more experience, I await your information on how much different the situation was prior to 2001 - I'd be curious to find out.
    There have been several changes since 2001, many of them very obvious such as vendors no longer having counterfeit watches or handbags openly on street stalls; having to show customers pictures instead, the numbers of vendors selling brand name and designer fakes has reduced, prices have risen much faster than inflation, etc, etc, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    Furthermore, you seem to be implying that apparently everytime I left the country after one of my trips, the situation of IP violating merchandise drastically changed, only to return to what I saw as I was returning a couple of months later -- seriously, I had no idea that Thailand's IP enforcing regimen was based on my trip frequency. Learn something new, I guess....
    No, I was implying that as a tourist you don't have adequate experience to comment on the successes or failures of the Thaksin administration through 2001-2006 as you have aptly demonstrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    here was next to no enforcement under Thaksin
    Nonsense, as I have already demonstrated.

    You won't accept facts when presented to you, and continue to expect us to accept your opinions as a tourist instead.

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    I remember an article in the Bangkok Post. It was many years ago during one of Takky's pirating crackdowns. The inference of the article was that an un-named police general, friend of Takky, and maker of pirated CDs, was not being affected by the busts.

    Anyway, no links Tuddles, just my fading memories, take it for what it's worth, not much I'm sure.


    Quote Originally Posted by mikehunt View Post
    but if the big players had their heads screwed on correctly, they would sell their products in target countries (Thailand) at competitive prices, with the hope that this would slowly but surely put the pirates out of business.
    Works for me. There's a couple of games I want, could have downloaded them weeks ago. Next week I'll be in Thailand to buy the originals at reasonable prices(Slighty more than the pirated stuff). Fokked if I'm gonna pay 4 times the price for the same product here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    the reports I submitted between 2003-2007 regarding the state of counterfeit products in Thailand, along with recommendations for strategies to assist in enforcing IP laws, certainly paid for my trips, and generously took care of my living expenses (your IP dollars at work)
    and surely you had a work permit while working in Thailand. - to avoid being seen as a law breaking hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Look, If he was smarter than me he would not have come up with a plan to give people 2000 baht and then think that the economy was going to turn around as a result of that action.
    Wow, you actually believed that? Your naïveté is amazing. Yes, that's what he said, but he had no illusion of this making any difference -- the 2,000 Baht stimulus scheme served only one purpose, and it had nothing to do with the economy.

    It amazes me that someone as clueless as you is even allowed to hold an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    the reports I submitted between 2003-2007 regarding the state of counterfeit products in Thailand, along with recommendations for strategies to assist in enforcing IP laws, certainly paid for my trips, and generously took care of my living expenses (your IP dollars at work)
    and surely you had a work permit while working in Thailand. - to avoid being seen as a law breaking hypocrite.
    a) as a matter of fact, I do have a Thai work permit - unlike you, I actually *do* work for a living.

    b) since I was doing research and investigative work for US based clients, for which I was compiling reports, there was absolutely no need for me to have a work permit, for this kind of activity.

    Not that I'm surprised for you being unable to get your facts straight.

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    A little truth from the duck, and then,,
    some intelligent words from a real quack:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole View Post
    Personally I love copyed stuff it means that I can actually get it in the first place!! try and find your favourite movie or old music in a Thai shop....impossible.

    So if it wasn't for all the P2P sites and mass copiers then I would be without some of the great stuff I left back in the UK....and I ain't flying all the way home just to find out my scumbag family have destroyed it or ruined it.

    As for these poor companies and artists....I don't believe for one second that they are skint...find me a CEO or even a lonely worker for one of these huge companies that lives in squaler????

    I remember when CD's came out and replaced my beloved vinyl, well they were saying that they would be cheaper than vinyl.....what a crock of Shi't* that turned out to be. From what I can gather CD's should be cheaper than vinyl by far and with all the recycling out there they should almost be free... then and only then would I believe that these companies really need to charge a substantial amount to pay the artists involved in making the music/movies etc in the first place.

    All you hear out of the movie and music press is this movie made this many millions on it's first night being shown (in one fricking cinema) or this CD has broken so many millions of copies!!! get a grip. I would never again pay 20 quid for a CD from HMV or whomever...DOWNLOAD....that's the way to go.

    I remember some years ago I saw Arnold Scwarzenneger and Jackie Chan doing a commercial asking people to stop piracy....what a cheek these guys are absolutely minted out of their minds, and have the cheek to ask other people to stop making money (all be it out of them) but hey come on guys, a little compassion to people who aren't as fortunate as yourselves....you greedy Cnuts.

    There ends my rant. enjoy and a big to conglomerates everywhere. stop charging so much.

    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    idiot , you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a bucket of wheat from 50 .

    refrain from referencing me toerag .
    Wow, really raw nerve too - truth hurts?

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