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    ^^^^how do you fake the part that was blown off accurately? it is sitting there underneath his stump to prop it up it seems, maybe you can fake the stump but where do you get a lower half from ??

    interesting..... wish I could read Thai.. that does resemble him in the picture, and in that original picture he doesn't have a tourniquet yet like he does in others and it doesn't seem to be squirting blood like it would if it had open arteries..
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    ^^ links, go search for yourself EmpTurd, although photoshopping a machete was not in them

    as for your underhand red-repos, why try to engage me personally when the debate was in the open, I am sure there are lots of fellow members who would like to share

    now they can
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    well Thailand is a democracy, flawed or not, and the police are part of that democracy. The police are therefore a democratic force
    You obviously know nothing about the Thai Police.

    They are acting on the orders of an elected Government, nothing more.

    As to your assertions they are a 'Democratic Force' nothing could be further from the truth. They are not elected and when it comes to appointment of Generals and people in command cronyism and nepotism is as usual in evidence.

    That statement is up there with your assertion that Thai Airways would be over the moon when their subsidiary Nok Air went under in terms of uninformed stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Burr View Post
    What PAD are basically saying is that half the population can't be trusted with a vote. They want to scrap one vote, one person democracy and have a percentage of PMs appointed. Who will do the appointing? The entrenched money clique, of course. A giant step backwards.
    No sympathy for PAD. If they want change, they should form a political party, put forward their case and let the people decide via the ballot box.
    Absolutely and it is an emabarassment for the thai police and army that PAD is able to hold government house for such a long time. Tear gas was the least to expect and that long time ago.

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    ^^^ I'll also add that they are the Royal Thai Police and one word from that institution and they would cease to take orders from the democratically elected leaders which proves your statement as usual to be complete gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    As to your assertions they are a 'Democratic Force' nothing could be further from the truth. They are not elected ...
    TEll me where are policemen elected into their jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    well Thailand is a democracy, flawed or not, and the police are part of that democracy. The police are therefore a democratic force
    You obviously know nothing about the Thai Police.

    They are acting on the orders of an elected Government, nothing more.

    As to your assertions they are a 'Democratic Force' nothing could be further from the truth. They are not elected and when it comes to appointment of Generals and people in command cronyism and nepotism is as usual in evidence.

    That statement is up there with your assertion that Thai Airways would be over the moon when their subsidiary Nok Air went under in terms of uninformed stupidity.

    errrm, EmpTurd, once again you are merely agreeing with me. The police are a force under the control of the democratically elected government, hence my use of that adjective for them. As is any police force in almost every country.

    do the police force have generals? or merely generals that were in the army?

    your last bit is totally weird; I have never said that, and do not believe it
    unless you have a link that proves me wrong, of course. Thai Airways over the moon??? you are getting a little confused, you must be older than me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    As to your assertions they are a 'Democratic Force' nothing could be further from the truth. They are not elected ...
    TEll me where are policemen elected into their jobs?
    Sheriffs in most towns in the States are, but this is all off topic..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    ^^^ I'll also add that they are the Royal Thai Police and one word from that institution and they would cease to take orders from the democratically elected leaders which proves your statement as usual to be complete gibberish.

    yeah yeah, like the Royal Navy etc etc. gibberish too

    which word do you think they would use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    That statement is up there with your assertion that Thai Airways would be over the moon when their subsidiary Nok Air went under in terms of uninformed stupidity.

    Have you found your link yet? I don't think so; just remember to apologise when you realise that you had confused me with another poster

    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    That statement is up there with your assertion that Thai Airways would be over the moon when their subsidiary Nok Air went under in terms of uninformed stupidity.

    Have you found your link yet? I don't think so; just remember to apologise when you realise that you had confused me with another poster

    thank you
    Happy to refresh your memory.

    https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...tml#post758455 (Phuket Tourism foked - Nok Air suspends Phuket flights)

    You owe me an apology.

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    In response to, "PHUKET: In further bad news for the island’s immediate tourism prospects, the Gazette has confirmed that low-cost carrier Nok Air has suspended its remaining flights to Phuket, most likely for the rest of the low season."

    DrAndy said, "Thai airways is laughing up go the fares".

    DrAndy completely oblivious to the fact Nok are a subsidiary of TG.

    Plum.

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    Just a question that will help me and perhaps others who are as thick as me with regard to politics.

    If the PAD has democracy in their title why do they want to destroy the one vote per person rule?
    And if they are so unpopular they can't win an election why are blue collar workers in the port striking in sympathy,, as have other union workers?

    Someone above said all his fellow Thais in Phuket support the PAD , so I guess the majority of people around Bangkok support them, and all the ignorant savages in the country support PPP.

    Meetings meetings bloody meetings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharleyFarley
    This country needs a pro-active leader, not an icon.
    I think you'll find he's been very active in ensuring democracy is hindered at every opportunity.

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    Posted by Ian , Reader : 92 , 08:21:52
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    This blog is an attempt to view recent media reports and street gossip from a scientific and forensic viewpoint.

    This is not taking sides, although I oppose the PAD tactics, I am simply examining the evidence.

    Firstly tear gas no matter how dispersed, does not and cannot cause skeletal injuries. As the medical reports confirm complete destruction of a limb requires High Explosives (HE).

    The first evidence clearly suggested that this HE was being carried in the pockets of some PAD members and accidentally exploded. The photographic evidence supported this. HE will explode if near a compression wave, such as a gas canister detonation.

    The PAD now countered this by saying the police used homemade bombs. Making HE is a complex industrial process, it is not like "black powder" which can be made from simple ingredients. Making HE requires the use of concentrated sulphuric and Nitric acids, not available at your local store.

    In theory the police could break open their bullet cartridges and collect enough powder to make a bomb, but why bother, if they need to do this to kill, then just shoot the bullets, in any case it still would not be HE. The charge in a bullet is a propellent rather than an explosive.

    Now the story grows, the police are using M26 antipersonel grenades, Now the fragmentation pattern and range of the M26 is very precisely known, it is basically the standard against which other grenades are compared.

    I see no injuries which are compatible with these grenades. By way of illustration, such a grenade lobbed into a crowd would be expected to kill a dozen people, not just amputate a leg.

    So I am left with a dilemma, as both a scientist and an ex soldier, the facts being presented to not make sense. Now I would expect the antagonists on both sides to lie, this is normal. However, the media seems to be swallowing and printing the gossip and rumours as if they are gospel fact.

    In conclusion there are four possibilities;

    my scientific and military knowledge is completely wrong.

    The media knows facts that I don't.

    The media doesn't know its head from its arse.

    The media is lying.

    I leave it to you to decide.

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    The PAD does seem guilty this time,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    Posted by Ian , Reader : 92 , 08:21:52
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    This blog is an attempt to view recent media reports and street gossip from a scientific and forensic viewpoint.

    This is not taking sides, although I oppose the PAD tactics, I am simply examining the evidence.

    Firstly tear gas no matter how dispersed, does not and cannot cause skeletal injuries. As the medical reports confirm complete destruction of a limb requires High Explosives (HE).

    The first evidence clearly suggested that this HE was being carried in the pockets of some PAD members and accidentally exploded. The photographic evidence supported this. HE will explode if near a compression wave, such as a gas canister detonation.

    The PAD now countered this by saying the police used homemade bombs. Making HE is a complex industrial process, it is not like "black powder" which can be made from simple ingredients. Making HE requires the use of concentrated sulphuric and Nitric acids, not available at your local store.

    In theory the police could break open their bullet cartridges and collect enough powder to make a bomb, but why bother, if they need to do this to kill, then just shoot the bullets, in any case it still would not be HE. The charge in a bullet is a propellent rather than an explosive.

    Now the story grows, the police are using M26 antipersonel grenades, Now the fragmentation pattern and range of the M26 is very precisely known, it is basically the standard against which other grenades are compared.

    I see no injuries which are compatible with these grenades. By way of illustration, such a grenade lobbed into a crowd would be expected to kill a dozen people, not just amputate a leg.

    So I am left with a dilemma, as both a scientist and an ex soldier, the facts being presented to not make sense. Now I would expect the antagonists on both sides to lie, this is normal. However, the media seems to be swallowing and printing the gossip and rumours as if they are gospel fact.

    In conclusion there are four possibilities;

    my scientific and military knowledge is completely wrong.

    The media knows facts that I don't.

    The media doesn't know its head from its arse.

    The media is lying.

    I leave it to you to decide.
    yah.....like I suggested earlier..
    Making HE requires the use of concentrated sulphuric and Nitric acids, not available at your local store.
    but this part is not true for Thailand these items are readily available in a local store, they use sulfuric here for pool balance and nitric is also available in fertilizer..

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    Well wasn't that the most plausible explanation from the start ? Even though most medias, western included, copied the teargas granade "explosion" version it was clear for most that this can't be the truth. It was most likely from IED's made from increasingly desperate PAD members. After all let's not forget that before the recent events the PAD steadily lost support because of its actions and people grew tired of it. So no other way to reach their goal, another coup d'etat, by desperately provoking enough violance and unrest to lay blame on government and police to justify this, no matter how.
    At least that's what I think, I might be wrong but that seems just the most obvious explanation.

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    most grenade's footprints are available to the police i assume the thai meda are unaware of this

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    what a lot of bollox from farangs who are nowhere near the situation
    I Farang and am there almost daily. I was there and in the thick of it last night!
    The police act under orders from scum## The weaponry used was not standard tear gas. As an ex brit soldier who used this stuff in northern ireland i think I am experienced enough to know what I saw. Many of the Thai police were just out to kill as many PAD people as they could.
    Armed soldiers against men armed with nothing ---the result was inevitble as far as numbers injured were concerned, What filled me with awe was the number of times i saw youngThai men running throught the tear gas crowds to attack the police---and the police than retreated from them.
    These young guys are the heros of today.

    PAD is unstopable and will win this

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsmithson View Post
    what a lot of bollox from farangs who are nowhere near the situation
    I Farang and am there almost daily. I was there and in the thick of it last night!
    The police act under orders from scum## The weaponry used was not standard tear gas. As an ex brit soldier who used this stuff in northern ireland i think I am experienced enough to know what I saw. Many of the Thai police were just out to kill as many PAD people as they could.
    Armed soldiers against men armed with nothing ---the result was inevitble as far as numbers injured were concerned, What filled me with awe was the number of times i saw youngThai men running throught the tear gas crowds to attack the police---and the police than retreated from them.
    These young guys are the heros of today.

    PAD is unstopable and will win this
    blinders!! I can't find the pic now but I clearly saw one of those long solid stainless bars that is pointed on one end for the vegetarian festival piercings in one of these guys backpacks and i've seen others too... I also see nearly every picture here where they are carrying and beating police with sticks, batons, and steel poles not to mention having run over 10 police with a 4X4 and to my knowledge the ONLY reported and confirmed shootings thus far have been 2 police officers shot by PAD members, they have skewered 2 other BIB probably with the same type of piercing rods, all of which come under the description of "weapons" in my book.. so i don't know what protest your supposedly participating in (i suspect more like watching from a beer bar on sukumvit) but as per your usual troll, your way off base..

    tragedy to think that you might be a former British soldier with that type of skewed perspective..

    Thai police were just out to kill as many PAD people as they could.
    i'm fairly certain that even the BIB of Thailand are better at killing than has been demonstrated here if the intent was there to this extent..

    Armed soldiers against men armed with nothing
    correction again..it was BIB not soldiers...and as stated they (PAD thugs) were/are well armed.....
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    How many did they kill?

    These young guys are the heros of today.
    They're paid thugs.

    PAD is unstopable and will win this
    If that is what's commanded, then yes they will.

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    Monarchy: 1 Democracy: 0

    Quote Originally Posted by theudonshawn View Post
    ...the problem here is trying to use Western Democracy in Thailand... and it won't work. Thai's have got to figure something else out ... [snip] ... the answer to this problem is to find a respectful Thai solution, for Thai people... not to copy Western Democracy.
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    Right on target with that observation.
    Thank you, "theudonshawn".

    Recent book about exactly this problem: Democracy: The God That Failed, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe.
    Asks what's the best form of government.
    The title tells you half of the ending.

    The book does not focus on Thailand, but, interesting for Thailand, it makes a strong case that monarchy is far more effective than democracy, in the long run.

    Without buying the book, you can read a brief preview, written by the author, at this URL: shrinkify.com/efg
    For those interested in such matters, I highly recommend it.
    Be aware, the author is a professor, and he writes like one -- makes for thick going at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsmithson View Post
    what a lot of bollox from farangs who are nowhere near the situation
    I Farang and am there almost daily. I was there and in the thick of it last night!
    The police act under orders from scum## The weaponry used was not standard tear gas. As an ex brit soldier who used this stuff in northern ireland i think I am experienced enough to know what I saw. Many of the Thai police were just out to kill as many PAD people as they could.
    Armed soldiers against men armed with nothing ---the result was inevitble as far as numbers injured were concerned, What filled me with awe was the number of times i saw youngThai men running throught the tear gas crowds to attack the police---and the police than retreated from them.
    These young guys are the heros of today.

    PAD is unstopable and will win this
    You were at the rally or was this an "as seen on TV" event for you?

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