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My name is Jennifer and I am Joni's daughter, the grieving mother, and I am also the sister of Michelle. For those who think my mom is a fraud you are wrong. I am here with her tonight because tommorrow is my sisters funeral. She is only looking on this blog as well as myself because we live in Virginia, US and Michelle was all the way over seas and we wanted to see what people and the newspapers were saying. We cant elaborate on details but we can say that michelle was not on a rooftop but in a top floor apartment and she was struggling with severe depression so use your imagination but whatever you do don't take my mom as a fraud we are all grieving and just looking for answers.
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My name is Jennifer and I am Joni's daughter, the grieving mother, and I am also the sister of Michelle. For those who think my mom is a fraud you are wrong. I am here with her tonight because tommorrow is my sisters funeral. She is only looking on this blog as well as myself because we live in Virginia, US and Michelle was all the way over seas and we wanted to see what people and the newspapers were saying. We cant elaborate on details but we can say that michelle was not on a rooftop but in a top floor apartment and she was struggling with severe depression so use your imagination but whatever you do don't take my mom as a fraud we are all grieving and just looking for answers.
Apologies to you both on behalf of myself and most of the posters here who are not insensitive or stupid enough to causing further upset to an innocent stranger for the sake of a silly and trivial assumption.

This is not the first time the forum has been utilized by a genuine outsider connected to a news story, I don't know why some would find it hard to believe.

I don't know how to make things easier for you, but I hope you get closure on this.
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My name is Jennifer and I am Joni's daughter, the grieving mother, and I am also the sister of Michelle. For those who think my mom is a fraud you are wrong. I am here with her tonight because tommorrow is my sisters funeral. She is only looking on this blog as well as myself because we live in Virginia, US and Michelle was all the way over seas and we wanted to see what people and the newspapers were saying. We cant elaborate on details but we can say that michelle was not on a rooftop but in a top floor apartment and she was struggling with severe depression so use your imagination but whatever you do don't take my mom as a fraud we are all grieving and just looking for answers.
I am sorry for your loss.

Incorrect newspaper articles, and conflicting stories in different news sources is unfortunately very common.

Sometimes due to sloppy research on part of the journalist(s), sometimes due to police officials who speculate or blabber on without knowing what they are talking about, sometimes due to translation errors/misunderstandings.

Hope everything gets as well cleared up as possible. My condolences.
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Ive been pissed alot but never ever had the notion oh I am pissed lets go for a walk around the condo rooftop ?? Where the fck does that come into it ?
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Known people to drink on a rooftop, however falling off aspect doesnt normally come into it.
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But I doubt it.
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Hi, this is the young ladies mother, Joni Wise--I used to have 8 children; now i have 7.
Condolences to you...must be difficult to lose one of your own and be so far away...

maybe some of the members here might know some details which could help you...

Gently guys please
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It really is strange, that list of deaths is so striking. Why are there so many 'suicides'? Why do people fall out of, and from, buildings in Thailand so much?

I realise that some of them are certainly suicide, but some must be murders also. Having said that, it would be quite difficult to be pushed from a balcony/roof top by a Thai woman or man do you think? My Mrs would have difficulty pushing me off the balcony, even if I was unaware of her behind me.

The BiB really do need to start doing some investigations into this. Likely? I don't think so. The easiest thing is to call the accidental/suicide (or even accidental suicides!). Our collective embassies should be doing something about it, maybe pressuring the Thai government to act, but it seems the embassies only intervene on a case by case basis and don't see the bigger picture.
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I realise that some of them are certainly suicide, but some must be murders also.
So what? How many people have made the paper over the last 4 years alone having died in strange circumstances. Do you really want to have it as a murder when you cannot catch the murderer? What would that do to the image of the country?

Guy commits suicide, plastic bag over the head with his hands tied behind his back.

How many people have not hired private investigators to investigate the death of a family member in Thailand. What was it 10% of all British deaths abroad occur in Thailand? The Brit who drowned in Pattaya - his mother hired a private investigator and what became of that - nothing. Have we forgot the two Korean women who died on Koh Larn island not too long ago.That was also suicide 48 hours later.



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Well when the balcony height is near waist level, not that hard to fall over one, when drunk.
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Possible, but how did she find Teakdoor so fast?

The story here is not indexed by google, yahoo or other major search engines yet. Hmmm....
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Yeah, the balcony height is lower than many parts of the world, but does it really explain all these deaths? When drunk, yes, a few might accidentally go over. But there really is too many, centred on Pattaya and Bangkok, which are not explained by a low balcony rail.

I have to say it is odd. Too many suicides/accidents by a minority in any society should set alarm bells ring in any government. The embassies really should be looking into this and bringing pressure on the appropriate authorities.
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it would take great strength as a parent to accept the death of ones child as being purposeful.
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though this post was undoubtedly made in kindness i would suggest that ms jgwise take no solace from it. obtain genuine, connected and trustworthy advocacy/ legal counsel if you wish to prompt the thai government improve on its current investigation. if you have the resources i suggest you come here. teakdoor is simply a site designed to entertain western expats in thailand. you will need a whole lot more than this if your fears of a botched investigation are true. good luck. you will need it.
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