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mellow · 01-11-2007, 02:24 PM

It would seem that if the Thais concentrated on the people who supply the children to these guys, prosecuted and put them in prisons, it would help out a lot with this problem. It,s kind of like only going after the drug user, but never looking at the drug dealers. What kind of police work is that?

DrB0b · 01-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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Grasses often end up is a spot of bother somewhere down the line - especially if you are wrong!!! Could cost you more than a pretty penny in legal costs & damages.

I am not speaking about people whom you just 'suspect' may be doing it, but in the West, teachers, doctors and nurses are obliged by law to report any evidence of child abuse.

Why can't teachers here be under the same obligation?

Teachers in Thailand have a legal obligation to report suspected abuse, as do doctors, nurses, psychologists, public health officials, local government officials and anybody else in similar positions of responsibility. This is part of the Child Protection Act 2004 which incorporates the UN Declaration on the Rights of Children and legislates against both physical and sexual abuse of children and states that in any such cases involving children the needs of the child are paramount.

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Originally Posted by Child Protection Act - Thailand - 2004

Article 29. Upon finding a child in circumstances which warrant welfare assistance or safety protection as stipulated under Chapters 3 and 4, a person shall provide basic assistance and notify a competent official, administrative official or police officer or person having the duty to protect a child's safety according to Article 24 without delay. A physician, nurse, psychologist or public health official admitting a child for treatment; teacher, instructor or employer having the duty to take care of a child who is his or her student or employee, shall report immediately to a competent official or person having duty to protect a child's safety according to Article 24, or administrative official or police officer if it is apparent or suspected that the child has been tortured or is sick due to unlawful care.

http://www.law.yale.edu/rcw/rcw/juri..._Prot_2003.pdf

Lily · 01-11-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

Teachers in Thailand have a legal obligation to report suspected abuse, as do doctors, nurses, psychologists, public health officials, local government officials and anybody else in similar positions of responsibility

Well, I am pleased to hear it, but I wonder if they do? The Thai thing of not interfering, may get in the way of it.

waah · 01-11-2007, 02:51 PM

I used to work for the CRB back in Blighty... and it is fookin hard for anyone to get any info out of them with out having a set of meetings to decide whether the company who need the info is responsible enough to have it...

So the chances of the boys in brown getting it is........... slim to none

Thormaturge · 01-11-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

"We are scrutinising more than 1,000 foreign teachers working in Thailand,'' he said.

I wish him luck finding 1,000 teachers who are working.

ChiangMai noon · 01-11-2007, 03:00 PM

^
very good....

Norton · 01-11-2007, 03:00 PM

Having lived through the "McCarthy era", I have a strong aversion to lists. Even worse today when the media is clamoring for any sensational headline. Once on a suspect list, not sure how anyone suspected of being a pedophile can ever clear their name even if completely innocent.

Lily · 01-11-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

I wish him luck finding 1,000 teachers who are working.

They are all too busy posting on forums!

Lily · 01-11-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Once on a suspect list, not sure how anyone suspected of being a pedophile can ever clear their name even if completely innocent.

The way it works where I come from is that the report is investigated and if it is found to be unsubstantiated, no record is kept.

Of course this has problems too, in that people can be investigated many times and there is no correalation between the reports.

Not any different really than if a child dies at home (cot death or accident) there is a police investigation into it, no matter what is written on the death certificate.

obsidian · 01-11-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Having lived through the "McCarthy era", I have a strong aversion to lists. Even worse today when the media is clamoring for any sensational headline. Once on a suspect list, not sure how anyone suspected of being a pedophile can ever clear their name even if completely innocent.

how old are you, norton?

ChiangMai noon · 01-11-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by waah

I used to work for the CRB back in Blighty... and it is fookin hard for anyone to get any info out of them with out having a set of meetings to decide whether the company who need the info is responsible enough to have it...

So the chances of the boys in brown getting it is........... slim to none

Quite.

So does anyone have any actual idea how Thailand proposes to investigate the background of 1000 random teachers??

dirtydog · 01-11-2007, 03:19 PM

They will make each one under investigation apply for there personal records from crb? Probably lock them up while they are waiting for it to be processed?

Lily · 01-11-2007, 03:20 PM

^I can see CMN's comment to you on another thread has worked wonders!

Texpat · 01-11-2007, 03:20 PM

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does anyone have any actual idea how Thailand proposes to investigate the background of 1000 random teachers??

Start with the morons at Ajarn Forum.

I have no problem with searches -- even random searches. If you're a Boy Scout, you've got nothing to worry about, in theory.

If the police confiscated your computer for 24 hours, would you sweat?

kingwilly · 01-11-2007, 03:25 PM

^ no, but i'd be bladdy well inconvenienced!

ChiangMai noon · 01-11-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

They will make each one under investigation apply for there personal records from crb?

can't be done DD.
you can not apply for a CRB report as an individual.

ChiangMai noon · 01-11-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

If the police confiscated your computer for 24 hours, would you sweat?

I think my wife might.

NickA · 01-11-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

If the police confiscated your computer for 24 hours, would you sweat?

Yes, cos I think if you look deeply enough everyone has something illegal on their computer. Don't forget pornography is illegal in Thailand and I've got shed-loads of that

dirtydog · 01-11-2007, 03:31 PM

What about if it's your own personal porn? ie me and the girlfriend, does that count

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

you can not apply for a CRB report as an individual.

Under the data protection act you can, it used to cost 25 quid and criminal records office had to send everything they had on their pcs about you.

waah · 01-11-2007, 03:31 PM

^ illegal software, pictures of people who you did not have their consent etc etc

CMN is right, only organisations can have access to this info..
However I think you can ask the local old bill for a record of any charges/sentenses given in ur home town...?!?!?!

01-11-2007, 02:24 PM	#41 (permalink)
mellow Pong Nam Ron Last Online: Today 06:53 PM Join Date: May 2007 Location: over the hill Posts: 284	It would seem that if the Thais concentrated on the people who supply the children to these guys, prosecuted and put them in prisons, it would help out a lot with this problem. It,s kind of like only going after the drug user, but never looking at the drug dealers. What kind of police work is that?

01-11-2007, 02:51 PM	#44 (permalink)
waah Ao Nang Last Online: 29-11-2008 10:02 AM Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 126	I used to work for the CRB back in Blighty... and it is fookin hard for anyone to get any info out of them with out having a set of meetings to decide whether the company who need the info is responsible enough to have it... So the chances of the boys in brown getting it is........... slim to none

01-11-2007, 03:00 PM	#46 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon ysbryd y nos Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 25,374	^ very good....

01-11-2007, 03:00 PM	#47 (permalink)
Norton Born Again Pagan Last Online: Today 07:38 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 7,257	Having lived through the "McCarthy era", I have a strong aversion to lists. Even worse today when the media is clamoring for any sensational headline. Once on a suspect list, not sure how anyone suspected of being a pedophile can ever clear their name even if completely innocent.

01-11-2007, 03:19 PM	#52 (permalink)
dirtydog The Dog Last Online: Today 07:38 PM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pattaya Posts: 34,406	They will make each one under investigation apply for there personal records from crb? Probably lock them up while they are waiting for it to be processed?

01-11-2007, 03:20 PM	#53 (permalink)
Lily Elite Member Last Online: 30-12-2007 06:20 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,184	^I can see CMN's comment to you on another thread has worked wonders!

01-11-2007, 03:25 PM	#55 (permalink)
kingwilly Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 23,643	^ no, but i'd be bladdy well inconvenienced!

01-11-2007, 03:31 PM	#60 (permalink)
waah Ao Nang Last Online: 29-11-2008 10:02 AM Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 126	^ illegal software, pictures of people who you did not have their consent etc etc CMN is right, only organisations can have access to this info.. However I think you can ask the local old bill for a record of any charges/sentenses given in ur home town...?!?!?!