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    Amnesty slams Brunei’s new ‘vicious’ Islamic criminal laws

    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Amnesty International on Wednesday slammed plans by Brunei to implement what the rights group called “vicious” Islamic criminal laws such as stoning to death for gay sex and amputation for theft.


    Amnesty said in a statement that the new penalties, which also apply to children, are provided for in new sections under Brunei’s Sharia Penal Code and will come into effect April 3. The legal changes were announced in a discreet notice on the attorney general’s website, it said.


    “To legalize such cruel and inhuman penalties is appalling of itself,” said Rachel Chhoa-Howard, Brunei researcher at Amnesty International. She said some of the potential offenses “should not even be deemed crimes at all, including consensual sex between adults of the same gender.”


    “Brunei must immediately halt its plans to implement these vicious punishments and revise its penal code in compliance with its human rights obligations,” Chhoa-Howard said. “The international community must urgently condemn Brunei’s move to put these cruel penalties into practice.”


    Brunei’s sultan instituted the Sharia Penal Code in 2014 to bolster the influence of Islam in the tiny, oil-rich monarchy, which has long been known for conservative policies such as banning the public sale of liquor. The first stage of the law included fines or jail for offenses such as pregnancy out of wedlock or failing to pray on Friday.


    Amnesty labeled the Penal Code as a “deeply flawed piece of legislation” with a range of provisions that violate human rights.


    There has been no vocal opposition to the law in Brunei, where Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah rules as head of state with full executive authority. Public criticism of his policies is extremely rare in Brunei.


    The Sultan, who has reigned since 1967, has previously said the Shariah Penal Code should be regarded as a form of “special guidance” from God and would be “part of the great history” of Brunei. Under secular laws, Brunei already prescribes caning as a penalty for crimes including immigration offenses, for which convicts can be flogged with a rattan cane.

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    Reading this about Brunei makes one (ME) wonder… This too (China) is in the news..

    I fully support China in its quest to rid its people of these dangerous cults. The religion of death, Islam is a case in point. Its morality does not conform with Chinese or Human values. The dead leader took a “Child Bride” and throughout the Islamic world, many of the countries support the "MALES" taking children far too young, as (in many cases) forced brides. One just needs to open ones eyes.

    Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) In Islamic Egypt 92.3% among (Never-married) women aged 15-49 – AND - 87.2% among (all) women aged 15-49 Source:- (https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/5a17eee44.pdf)
    Almost 100% of Boys are genitally mutilated in ALL Islamic countries.

    This is despite their "Hadith" saying “changing the creation of Allah” - Of course we all know the “Males” in charge if Islam will CHANGE whatever “Allah” is supposed to have said to suit their agenda -just look at ISIL.

    China is the only country on earth addressing this horrifying aspect of humanity.

    Collectively “religion” is the most divisive and pervasive corruption of all Humanity. It is immoral, teaches immorality to its practitioners. QUOTE FROM Mohammed bin Salman of Audi Arabia "China has the right to carry out anti-terrorism and DE-extremisation work for its national security,” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...concentration/


    Christianity is not without is horrors too, as their “celibate” ministers of the many cults within Christianity, engage in paedophilia, with seeming impunity and countless more examples of child abuse, abuse of “Nuns” on and on.

    Whereas Atheism, teaches morality and respect for people. NO FGM amongst the (Non Islamic) Chinese. NO “Genital Mutilation” of Chinese boys – Chinese society, respects Women, they can drive cars, leave home without a male “guardian” and generally fulfill their potential as human beings, literally hundreds more examples of why China is correct to pursue the eradication of Humanities major curse – RELIGION.

    I say to China I fully support you attempting to “DE-program” these poor individuals who have been indoctrinated into the various religious “cults”. I ask that you PLEASE respect human rights as you continue this formidable battle for all humanity. It is a battle humanity MUST win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ennis View Post
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    Bit of a waste of time, it still looks like a badly formatted lunatic rant, reads like one too. Are you one of those anti-circumcision nutjobs who spends a lot of time worrying about little boy's peepees?

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    You are deluded if you think that all faiths operate in such a universal manner. There are several branches of Islam throughout the world and in a minority of cases, Sharia Law and its barbaric extremes are practiced and enforced.

    For the majority, their faith is practiced without barbarism or the need to enforce it. To my mind, the guilt generated by catholicism is equally repugnant, and it is common to all catholic teachings and practices.

    Having said that, individuals should have the right to practice their faith, in a way that is not harmful to them, physically or mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ennis View Post
    China is the only country on earth addressing this horrifying aspect of humanity.
    ..in a way that by far affects the innocent more than the guilty. You should not laud China for it's crackdown on religion, albeit religion is often a cultish thing twisted for political reasons by the cult leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Bit of a waste of time, it still looks like a badly formatted lunatic rant, reads like one too. Are you one of those anti-circumcision nutjobs who spends a lot of time worrying about little boy's peepees?
    Are you a Troll or muslim


    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    No doubt this will offend some of the TD troglodytes, stepping as it does on their right to physically assault the weak and dependent. I think it's a major step forward and that no civilized society should ever condone the physical abuse of children.

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    Whereas Atheism, teaches morality and respect for people. NO FGM amongst the (Non Islamic) Chinese. NO “Genital Mutilation” of Chinese boys – Chinese society, respects Women, they can drive cars, leave home without a male “guardian” and generally fulfill their potential as human beings, literally hundreds more examples of why China is correct to pursue the eradication of Humanities major curse – RELIGION.

    Atheism teaches no such thing and China is hardly a bastion of human rights and free intelectual thought. In any case China is not an atheistic country to start with. Taoism Confusionism Bhuddism and even Christianity have flourished in China despite persecution from the "Atheist" authorities. Atheism teaches a world of individualism with no consequences. Every civilization has developed with religion in one form or another, be it worship of everything from animals to ancestors. There is no proof that an entire atheistic civilization would grow up at all with equal human rights. Most anti religious eras such as communism and the french revolution has been marked by a decrease in human rights. It is not merely coincidental that the most socially successful and tolerant countries with the highest standard of living and respect for human rights today have all been Christian countries, where both Christianity and scienctific discourse co exist. As for Islam in Brunei or anywhere else Mathew 5-7 comes to mind. Here it is for you heretics.

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Got to say that HM the Sultan has got steadily more hard line over the past 10 years. I have met him 4 times over 20 or so years and the first three times were receptions in which alcohol was served but the last it was banned under Islamic principles. On visits to Brunei over the years I have noticed a gradual increase and enforcement of Islamic Principles and Laws; I strongly suspect that his playboy brother Jefri (c40+ "wives") who he had a major falling out over lifestyle and the Billions he blew (he of naming his Yacht tenders Nipple 1&2) has not helped and perhaps as he approaches the end of his life he wants to make doubly sure he's good to go with the Virgins etc. Funnily enough a lot of the indigenous Malays and Malay Chinks/Indians i've spoken to and known over the years only really follow Islam publicly - they love trips across the border to Miri to get pissed, gamble etc and welcome invites to Brit parties in which they can "indulge" on the QT.
    It appears to me that Brunei more or less belongs to the Sultan of Brunei so if he wants to introduce Shariah law, there's nothing to stop him, and given his wealth and that of the country, a few hotel boycotts won't make the slightest difference to him.



    Brunei's political system is governed by the constitution and the national tradition of the Malay Islamic Monarchy.

    Under Brunei's 1959 constitution, His Majesty Paduka Seri Baginda Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Mu'izzaddin Waddaulah is the head of state with full executive authority. Since 1962, this authority has included emergency powers, which are renewed every two years. Brunei has technically been under martial law since the Brunei Revolt of 1962. Hassanal Bolkiah also serves as the state's Prime Minister, Finance Minister and Defence Minister. The Royal family retains a venerated status within Brunei.

    Brunei's small, wealthy economy is a mixture of foreign and domestic entrepreneurship, government regulation, welfare measures, and village tradition. Crude oil and natural gas production account for about 90% of its GDP. About 167,000 barrels (26,600 m3) of oil are produced every day, making Brunei the fourth-largest producer of oil in Southeast Asia. It also produces approximately 25.3 million cubic metres (890×106 cu ft) of liquified natural gas per day, making Brunei the ninth-largest exporter of the substance in the world.

    Substantial income from overseas investment supplements income from domestic production. Most of these investments are made by the Brunei Investment Agency, an arm of the Ministry of Finance. The government provides for all medical services, and subsidises rice and housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    he Royal family retains a venerated status within Brunei.
    Isn't it odd how such devoted veneration of royalty always seems to go along with royalty having despotic powers and there being hefty punishments for non-veneration of royalty. A total coincidence, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Amnesty slams Brunei’s new ‘vicious’ Islamic criminal laws
    Their country their laws. My country, my laws. None of my biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    It appears to me that Brunei more or less belongs to the Sultan of Brunei so if he wants to introduce Shariah law, there's nothing to stop him, and given his wealth and that of the country, a few hotel boycotts won't make the slightest difference to him.
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    Correct Nev. Under his latter control and since diversifying the countries (His) investment portfolio they are a kind of Autocratic Norway model. He's recognised the oil will only last so long but for a tiny country they are rich beyond the dreams of avarice. A peak inside the palace as i have been lucky to, and its opulence taken to the point of obscenity - gold everywhere like we splash magnolia

    The reason the UK has a base there stems back to an uprising in 62' and he asked for and we sent the Gurkhas across from HK, had a base there ever since and its where the SAS do their jungle training and part of their selection process.

    In terms of what Bob says then yes, but the Sultanate has existed for centuries and was "allowed" to continue under the Empire when others were subjugated. In large part I think that he's broadly looked after his people when compared to other states in the region there is lille overt poverty. Yes their power is absolute, but they have invested. The growing enforcement of strict Islam is a concern and should be for the people IMHO, before Malays were offered a house etc to convert - how long before any other religion is outlawed is anyone's guess but the future look less appealing to the ordinary folk
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    Brunei won't enforce gay sex death penalty after backlash

    Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei - Brunei's sultan has announced death by stoning for gay sex and adultery will not be enforced after a global backlash, but critics Monday called for harsh sharia laws to be abandoned entirely.

    In a speech late Sunday, Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah said a moratorium on capital punishment that already applies to Brunei's regular criminal code would also extend to its new sharia code, which includes death by stoning for various crimes.


    The code, which also punishes theft with the amputation of hands and feet, fully came into force last month in the small sultanate on Borneo island, making it the only country in East or Southeast Asia with sharia law at the national level.


    The move sparked anger from governments and rights groups, the United Nations slammed it as a "clear violation" of human rights while celebrities led by actor George Clooney called for Brunei-owned hotels to be boycotted.




    In a televised address, the all-powerful sultan made his first public comments about the furore and took the rare step of addressing criticism, saying there had been "many questions and misperceptions" regarding the sharia laws.


    "Both the common law and the sharia law aim to ensure peace and harmony of the country," he insisted, according to an official translation of his speech.


    Some crimes in Muslim-majority Brunei including murder and drug-trafficking were already punishable with death by hanging under the regular criminal code -- which is enforced alongside the sharia code -- but no one has been executed for decades.


    Hassanal said that "we have practised a de facto moratorium on the execution of death penalty for cases under the common law.


    "This will also be applied to cases under the (sharia penal code), which provides a wider scope for remission."



    - 'Human rights monstrosity' -


    But rights groups said the announcement did not go far enough.


    "It really doesn't change anything," Matthew Woolfe, founder of rights group The Brunei Project, told AFP.


    "This announcement does nothing to address the many other human rights concerns about the (sharia code)."


    The maximum punishment for gay sex between men under the sharia code is death by stoning, but perpetrators can also be sentenced to lengthy jail terms or caning.


    Women convicted of having sexual relations with other women face up to 40 strokes of the cane or a maximum 10-year jail term.


    Whipping and jail terms, as well as severing of limbs for theft, under the new code were not affected by the sultan's announcement.


    It was not clear how far other sharia punishments would be enforced.


    The sultan also vowed in his speech Brunei would ratify the United Nations convention against torture which it signed several years ago.


    Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director for Human Rights Watch, said that "the entire law is a human rights-abusing monstrosity that should be scrapped.


    "It's a quaint but unrealistic idea that a temporary moratorium on the death penalty is worth something in a royal dictatorship where the sultan's word is law."



    - LGBT stigma still strong -


    While gay Bruneians were relieved the death penalty for homosexual sex would not be enforced, they said the law still encourages discrimination against LGBT people in the former British protectorate of about 400,000 people.


    "There will still be hate against LGBT people," Khairul, a gay man in Brunei who gave only one name, told AFP.


    "This law should be changed -- as long as it exists, there will always be stigmatisation against LGBT people and non-Muslims in Brunei."


    The sultan -- one of the world's wealthiest men, who has been on the throne over five decades -- announced plans for the sharia penal code in 2013.


    The first section was introduced in 2014 and included less stringent penalties, such as fines or jail terms for offences including skipping Friday prayers, but introduction of the harsher penalties was delayed after criticism.


    Analysts say he is seeking to burnish his Islamic credentials and shore up support among the country's conservatives due to the waning fortunes of the oil-dependent economy, which has been ravaged by recession in recent years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Brunei won't enforce gay sex death penalty after backlash
    It never was going to. A storm in a teacup that has resulted in the Sultan making matters clear for the drama queens.

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    ...a pity the sultan's advisers couldn't foresee all the resulting negative media feedback and steer him toward leniency for gays..you know, years in a vermin-infested tropical jail with additional torture to amuse the guards...that'll straighten out the fairies for sure...

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