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^ Those midnight raids were very effective by the KGB in just making the problem people disappear. I know personally many people who told me first hand stories about this. However, it needs to be done on an ongoing basis, not at crisis time, as the scale becomes unmanageable.

The junta may have waited too long for this.
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It would be nice to see France & the UK send in peace-keeping troops at this point.
 
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The UK can't, they need their green light from Papa Bush
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Pressure mounts on Myanmar's allies to intervene
Sep 26, 2007, 5:09 GMT

Bangkok - International human rights and crisis-watch groups Wednesday called on the United Nations and Myanmar's allies to help persuade the junta to avoid bloodshed in Yangon where a clash looms between troops and monks.

'United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon should hold urgent talks with the foreign ministers of China, India and Singapore, the current ASEAN chair, on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly and lead a joint attempt to encourage peaceful dialogue in Myanmar/Burma,' said the International Crisis Group out of New York.

The Brussels-based think tank urged China, India, and Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) to back Ban Ki-moon's call on Myanmar's junta to exercise restraint in the face of growing peaceful protests and put their full weight behind UN efforts to find a solution to the country's political crisis.

'The regime has a long history of violent reactions to peaceful demonstrations,' said Gareth Evans, president of the International Crisis Group. 'If serious loss of life is to be averted, those UN members with influence over the government are going to have to come together fast.'

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^^The US won't ever send its own troops in. The CIA is very active, but it's a war of subterfuge between China at the Junta level, and CIA at the subgroup level. China will have to break the mold and understand they are now at the level they will have to interfere in other nations' affairs. I think they've realized this. If they lose to the Americans in Burma they lose face and credibility as well as a strategic "sphere of influence" border country.
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^ Thinking along those lines, it if democrazy were to take hold in Burma after a major struggle, it could have an impact on China itself.
 
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The UK can't, they need their green light from Papa Bush
No problem. If they want it they got it.
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Protests in Rangoon
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11:10 a.m

More protests foreseen

The junta's ban on assembly of more than five people nothwithstanding activists said they would continue to protest.

Sources said, groups of people are starting to gather in Rangoon to start demonstrations today.

More arrests
Authorities last night arrested famous Burmese comedian and critic, Zarganar from his residence.

Police raided the house of the Burmese comedian at 1 Op.m. last night and seized photographs and telephone besides arresting him.

As Burma saw protests and crackdowns in what is another snowballing unrest, Thai government has planned to call back its embassy officials in Rangoon if the situation goes out of control.

At least 150 riot police are seen taking up position near the office of the cabinet.

10: 45 a.m
Security tightened in Rangoon

As part of escalating security security measures a military truck has been placed at the eastern gate of the famous Shwedagon pagoda, and only a single man entry was open at the middle gate. At Kyethwon pagoda, about 100 riot police blocked the road.

Police officials also ordered the roadside stalls near the area to be close-down. At Arzarnikone, two army trucks have been placed and at the end of the road near the nuns monastery there are about 40 policemen.

Though today is the full moon day of the month, on which Buddhists in Burma usually goes for prayers at pagodas, due to heavy security at the pagodas only a few people are seen going for prayers.

Meanwhile, at Mandalay, about 300 police and soldiers that has batches of Battalion 99, are seen taking up position near the Phayagyi pagoda.

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The Junta is self destructing, how many from the original coup are left ? only a couple out of 7 generals have survived

The "coup" we are seeing here is basically happening because the Junta is very weak, but like a wounded dog in a corner, they will be desperate and make a lot of damage

Of course the CIA doesn't care, they are watching this from their confortable office
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^ The CIA does care and is active in Burma through proxies, but it's a battle the US thinks it can't win as against China. It would be like China trying to take control in Mexico. Won't happen likely, but there is a chance.
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Yangon pagoda sealed off, monks beaten, says witness
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About 10 monks were beaten as they tried to get past riot police into the shrine, witnesses said. The atmosphere was very tense with onlookers angered by the police action.
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YANGON (Thomson Financial) - The headquarters of Aung San Suu Kyi's opposition party is under guard by riot police Wednesday as the ruling junta rolled out a heavy security presence to stifle mass demonstrations.
Witnesses said that a covered police truck, with some 30 armed riot police sitting inside, stood 100 meters from the National League for Democracy (NLD) headquarters in central Yangon.
About 30 members of the party were waiting outside the building, apparently ready to join any fresh protests despite stiff government warnings against a new public display of defiance against the regime
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Rangoon; noon—Soldiers with assault rifles have sealed off sacred Buddhist monasteries such as Shwedagon Pagoda and Sule Pagoda, as well as other flashpoints of anti-government protests.

Rangoon; 11:00 a.m.—Security authorities used tear gas and force to break up a peaceful demonstration by about 50 monks on Wednesday morning at Rangoon’s Shwedagon Pagoda. The monks were beaten and bundled into waiting army trucks. The whereabouts of the arrested monks is unknown.


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Burma protesters 'beaten'


An activist holds a poster of pro-democracy opposition leader Aung San Suu Ky during protests in Rangoon.
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September 26, 2007 - 3:44PM


Witnesses say police beat about 700 anti-junta protesters with batons to break up a crowd including students and some Buddhist monks near a pagoda in Burma's main city Rangoon.

The witnesses told AFP that only monks were allowed to enter the Shwedagon Pagoda, where they had gathered for prayers before their earlier marches.

Soldiers sealed off the smaller Kyay Toon pagoda, near the eastern entrance to Shwedagon, where supporters had brought food and water for the monks before previous marches.

Meanwhile, the headquarters of Aung San Suu Kyi's opposition party was under guard by riot police, as the ruling junta rolled out a heavy security presence to stifle mass demonstrations.

Witnesses said that a covered police truck, with some 30 armed riot police sitting inside, stood 100 metres from the ramshackle National League for Democracy (NLD) headquarters in central Rangoon.

About 30 members of the party were waiting outside the building, apparently ready to join any fresh protests despite stiff government warnings against a new public display of defiance against the regime.
Yesterday, dozens of NLD members also gathered outside the building before joining the throngs of demonstrators, led by Buddhist monks, which swelled to 100,000 and swept through the city in the eighth straight day of protests.

Large contingents of students also joined the march, carrying the red flags emblazoned with yellow peacocks that symbolise the NLD and pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is under house arrest.
The NLD joined calls for a peaceful resolution to the demonstrations, which have grown into a nationwide movement that poses the most potent challenge to the junta's rule in 20 years.

"We can definitely solve these matters because of our recent condition and the general crisis in our country. The only way is through peaceful dialogue," it said in a statement yesterday.

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Burma riot police beat protesters
Wednesday, 26 September 2007,


Burmese police have used batons to beat back protesters including monks at the Rangoon pagoda used as a rallying-point for marchers, eyewitnesses say.

They baton-charged a crowd of civilians and monks outside the Shwedagon Pagoda as demonstrators readied for a ninth day of protest marches.

Police and troops have been ringing Buddhist monasteries in the city.
Analysts fear a repeat of the violence in 1988, when troops opened fire on unarmed protestors, killing thousands.

In a further sign that the military authorities are cracking down, two key dissidents were arrested.

It appears that small groups of monks seem set on defying calls by the military to end their daily protests, says the BBC's Asia correspondent, Andrew Harding.

The protesters had turned up at Shwedagon, which was blocked off by security forces, in defiance of a ban on all public gatherings of more than five people, and a night-time curfew. Police beat their shields with their batons and yelled orders to disperse before chasing scores of monks and their supporters.

Eyewitnesses say some protesters fell to the ground amid the chaos.

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Myanmar pagoda sealed off, monks beaten: witnesses
Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:17 AM EDT
By Aung Hla Tun


YANGON (Reuters) - Myanmar security forces sealed off Yangon's Shwedagon Pagoda on Wednesday, fired tear gas and arrested up to 80 monks trying to get into the shrine, cracking down on the biggest anti-junta protests in nearly 20 years.

Witnesses said some of the deeply revered Buddhist clergy were beaten and manhandled by riot police taking them away from the shrine, the starting point for the past week's monk-led protests against 45 years of military rule.

The atmosphere at the gilded shrine was "very tense," one witness said, with onlookers angry at the use of violence against the maroon-clad monks.

Troops and riot police also took up positions outside at least six big activist monasteries, a clear sign the generals were trying to prevent any attempt at a repeat of mass marches through Yangon and Mandalay, the second city.

Hundreds of soldiers waited in a park behind Yangon's Sule Pagoda, the city-centre end point of the marches and scene of some of the worst bloodshed when troops opened fire on protesters in 1988, the former Burma's last major uprising.

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Myanmar police arrest dozens of protesters, monks - witnesses

YANGON (Thomson Financial) - Myanmar police arrested dozens of protesters, including some monks, as they tried to join an anti-government march Wednesday in Yangon, witnesses said.


Police shoved the protesters and the monks into three trucks, stopping them from joining a march led by some 200 clergy who had gathered after police had baton-charged an earlier demonstration, witnesses said.
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Burma riot police beat back monks
Wednesday, 26 September 2007,


Tens of thousands have attended protests this week

Burmese police have used batons and tear gas to beat back Buddhist monks and other protesters at a Rangoon pagoda, but a new march is under way.

Riot police charged the crowd outside the Shwedagon Pagoda as demonstrators readied for their ninth day of protest marches, eyewitnesses say.

Some of the protesters seemed to be heading towards the home of detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

Police and troops have been ringing Buddhist monasteries in the city.

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The demonstrators should keep up the pressure today and not disperse. If not, they will be rooted out tonight in all-night long raids.
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Rangoon; 12:30 p.m.—Thousands of Buddhist monks and pro-democracy activists marched toward the center of Rangoon, according to an Associated Press report. The demonstration followed a tense confrontation at the city's famous Shwedagon Pagoda between the protesters and riot police who fired warning shots, then beat some monks and dragged others away into waiting trucks.
Bahan, Rangoon; noon—Security forces at Rangoon’s Shwedagon Pagoda struck out at demonstrators Wednesday noon, arresting about 50 protesting monks and attacking several hundred other monks and supporters. Tear gas was used to break up the demonstrations. Other protesters were gathering in another area of the Pagoda, according to eyewitnesses, who also saw a Western embassy car in the area.
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Monks arrested, tear gassed at Myanmar pagoda: witness

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Published: Wednesday, September 26, 2007

YANGON (Reuters) - Myanmar security forces sealed off Yangon's Shwedagon Pagoda on Wednesday, fired tear gas and arrested up to 200 monks trying to get into the shrine, cracking down on the biggest anti-junta protests in nearly 20 years.

But despite a heavy deployment of troop and riot police at key points across the city, 500 monks marched towards the downtown Sule Pagoda area, the end-point of a week of peaceful protests, witnesses said.

Others joined them along the way, swelling their ranks.

Witnesses and monk sources said some of the deeply revered Buddhist clergy were beaten and manhandled by riot police taking them away from the Shwedagon Pagoda, starting point of the past week's monk-led protests against 45 years of military rule.

Witnesses said they heard no gunshots, but they said security forces burnt plastic pipes to make acrid smoke which filled the air around the pagoda.

The atmosphere at the gilded Shwedagon shrine was "very tense," one witness said, with onlookers angry at the use of violence against the maroon-clad monks.

But the numbers of monks there were far fewer than on Monday or Tuesday after troops and riot police took up positions outside at least six big activist monasteries.

There was also a heavy security presence at the Sule Pagoda, a clear sign the generals were trying to prevent more mass marches.

Hundreds of soldiers waited in a park behind Sule Pagoda, the scene of some of the worst bloodshed when troops opened fire on protesters in 1988, the former Burma's last major uprising.

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Burmese riot police clash with protestersIan MacKinnon, south-east Asia correspondent
Wednesday September 26, 2007
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Burmese riot police backed by troops clashed with hundreds of protesters today as monks, nuns and students attempted to gather at the country's holiest Buddhist shrine in defiance of a government ban on public assembly.

The police squads baton-charged the crowd of about 700 and witnesses said that between 80 and 100 protesters - some bloodied and injured - were arrested and taken away in army vehicles whose identification numbers had been obscured.

Tear gas was also used to quell the demonstrators and there were reports that six shots had been heard in the area of the trouble at the Shwedagon pagoda in Rangoon, one of the focal points for more than a week of demonstrations.


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he moves to halt days of protests came after the military regime imposed a night time curfew in the largest city, Rangoon, and Mandalay, and banned gatherings of more than five people.
Overnight up to ten pro-democracy activists were arrested in police swoops. Among the best known were Zaganar, a comedian famed for his anti-government jibes, and U Win Naing, a veteran government opponent.

But despite the military's determination to halt the ninth consecutive day of marches, a group of about 200 monks surrounded by their supporters set off from the Shwedagon pagoda towards the city centre, their ranks swelling to several thousand.

Another group of 400 to 500 monks was also marching from the Nyaungdone monastery in the Pazunting suburb of Rangoon amid mounting tension in the most concerted challenge to the repressive regime in almost two decades.
Barbed wire roadblocks have been erected in parts of Rangoon and security forces have thrown a tight cordon around the home of the opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, where she has been held under house arrest for years.

About 300 monks headed towards the Nobel laureate's house, followed by a truck carrying some 40 soldiers, but the monks urged their supporters to remain at a distance in order not to provoke the soldier into action.

At Rangoon's Sule pagoda about 1,000 people gathered in front of hundreds of troops and riot police who waited in a park behind the shrine, but did not intervene. Security forces were also present at five other monasteries around the city.

Maung Maung, the general secretary of the National Council of the Union of Burma, a Thai-based coalition of exile groups, said he had reliable reports that water cannon and fire trucks had been filled with a mosquito repellent solution to spray protesters, though he heard of no incidents so far.

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Buddhist Monks Defy Assembly Ban
Wednesday September 26, 2007 8:46 AM

YANGON, Myanmar (AP) - Thousands of Buddhist monks and pro-democracy activists marched toward the center of Yangon Wednesday in defiance of the militarygovernment's ban on public assembly.

The march followed a tense confrontation at the city's famed Shwedagon Pagoda between the protesters and riot police who fired warning shots, beat some monks and dragged others away into waiting trucks.

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Rangoon, Downtown; Mid-afternoon—At least two protestors were shot by security forces in downtown Rangoon near Sule Pagoda on Wednesday afternoon. One protestor reportedly died, according to people who took part in the demonstration. The source said the soldiers continued firing at the demonstrators, who numbered several thousand.
The Irrawaddy News Magazine Online Edition

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