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    Tuesday, 25 September 2007, 10:28 GMT 11:28 UK


    Readers have sent in photos of the protests

    Demonstrations in Burma are continuing despite warnings from the military government to end more than a week of street protests.
    People inside Burma have been e-mailing the BBC News website about the growing unrest.

    MONDAY, 23 SEPTEMBER

    I witnessed the big protests in Rangoon today. I am really sorry for our country and our people because we are under the control of the wicked junta. We haven't got arms, we wish for peace, a better future and democracy. We are hoping that the UN security council will put a pressure on the junta. Kyi Kyi, Rangoon

    I saw more than 100,000 monks marching today. I'm not sure where the protests will lead to. This situation could get worse. We want some changes in Burma, but we want these changes leading to a better future. Sun, Rangoon

    I saw about 40,000 to 50,000 people, including monks, nuns and ordinary people, marching along Prome road. That was at around 3:30pm. The protests will grow bigger day by day and I hope that they are not going to start killing people. We need help to save our people. Mr Tun, Rangoon

    It is astounding to see such a great mass of people on both sides of the roads, some clapping and some crying, but all demonstrating their support for the monks and those chanting prayers. It's for sure that all these people showing their support are willing to be part of the mass protest. They do not trust the government though and think that they could be crushed, just like it happened in 1988. But if we are just bystanders, today's rare and momentous events might not lead to the fall of the regime. Kyaw, Rangoon

    I am not sure where these protests are going to lead to, but I am sure that it's not at all a good sign. Many people are expecting that there will be a great change coming soon. I am not sure if the monks will be joined by students, workers, or even soldiers. We are very insecure because we don't know what the government is planning to do. There are some news in the government-controlled newspapers that the monks are trying to agitate the public. This can be a big excuse for them to start attacking the monks. I really want some changes in Burma but I am not sure where the change is going to lead us to. I hope there won't be any blood bath this time like there was in 1988. Soe Soe, Mandalay

    The current situation can lead to civil war because the junta still holds the power and the opposition might use this opportunity to form an armed struggle. We want things to change peacefully, not through a civil war. But if there's no way to avoid the arms struggle, the people will choose it and the conditions in our poor country may become worse. The international pressure, including from China and Russia, is very important for the future of Burma at this moment. Mg Khar, Rangoon

    One of the monks who took part in the protests came to us and told us about his experiences. He said: "We are not afraid, we haven't committed a crime, we just say prayers and take part in the protests. We haven't accepted money from onlookers although they offered us a lot. We just accept water. People clapped, smiled and cheered us." The monk seemed very happy, excited and proud. But I'm worried for them. They care for us and we pray for them not to get harmed. Mya, Rangoon


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    Unless they start talking in the next few days (which i can't see happening), i fear a bloodbath. And who is going to come to the aid of the students and monks i wonder????

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    I'm sure folks around the world will be praying for Burma & its people during this eventful time. May they have the courage to press through to the end & claim the final prize - freedom.

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    Evidently the crackdown is already starting. The junta is visiting the troublemakers at night to avoid photos. This was reported on another forum by a guy who has a Burmese maid. She has been in touch with her family and friends who are involved in the demonstrations daily.

    Rumors of CIA operatives trying to get the Karen organized, funded and backed for a revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    I saw more than 100,000 monks marching today. I'm not sure where the protests will lead to. This situation could get worse. We want some changes in Burma, but we want these changes leading to a better future. Sun, Rangoon
    Their English is too perfect to be from natives, more like CIA ops posing as locals. The usual.

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    Their English is too perfect to be from natives

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    I wish the bleedin' american CIA would keep their noses out of other peoples' affairs. They ALWAYS mess it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja View Post
    I wish the bleedin' american CIA would keep their noses out of other peoples' affairs. They ALWAYS mess it up.
    Yes, they do always mess it up. But, they will cause change in Burma if their campaign is successful. I suspect there are massive resources pouring into the country right now.

    * and with Thailand's support. Thailand is worried about its huge investments with the Junta there. They know the US would find a way for them to keep their investments in any change of government.

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    No meaningful change ever emerges unless driven from the people within a country. There is nothing any outside agency can do in the time available to affect the outcome of the current situation.

    Education will be found to be a strong innovative force in this round of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja View Post
    No meaningful change ever emerges unless driven from the people within a country. There is nothing any outside agency can do in the time available to affect the outcome of the current situation.

    There have been underground movements going for many years there. This is not new.

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    ^ So, same old, same old... The comment about CIA suddenly rounding up its resources & mobilising the locals, has no value then, wouldn't you think?

    I think it's time to send in Johnny Rambo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja View Post
    ^ So, same old, same old... The comment about CIA suddenly rounding up its resources & mobilising the locals, has no value then, wouldn't you think?

    I think it's time to send in Johnny Rambo...

    The value is that there is now momentum with the monks movements and popular support. It could be capitalized upon if things are ready. I doubt it, the junta will be terrorizing those responsible nightly I believe.

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    all those revolutions happen with "external" resources as the locals are too coward to do it on their own. It's perfectly normal. If it wasn't for the French helping the American revolution, they would still be drinking tea and speaking with a funny accent today

    You need an external incentive to carry out a revolution

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    Coincidence it's happening now when there was a planned GA for months at the UN ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    all those revolutions happen with "external" resources as the locals are too coward to do it on their own. It's perfectly normal. If it wasn't for the French helping the American revolution, they would still be drinking tea and speaking with a funny accent today

    You need an external incentive to carry out a revolution
    You are saying that the mother of all revolutions was carried out by others? 'Viva la revolution' was all a CIA plot?

    Strange froggy you are... merci...

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    Actually the calling of external help (Austrian Army) by Louis XVI did trigger the revolution, which was not really a revolution, but a protest that lead to a regime change. At the end, things got back to normal, with leaders making the rules and everyone else following them which led to the "Empire" revolution with Bonaparte.

    We even tried having the Royals back during the "Restoration" after the failed empire, but that didn't work too well.

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    ^ Trust the froggies...

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    Burma riot police deployed - witness

    From correspondents in Rangoon
    September 25, 2007 09:20pm

    EIGHT truckloads of armed riot police moved into central Rangoon today after a second day of mass protests against Burma's military junta ended without incident, a witness said.

    The police, carrying shields, batons and rifles, deployed in the Botataung part of the city, near the end-point of the biggest anti-junta marches in nearly 20 years, the witness said.
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    Bloodshed imminent in Burma

    2007-09-25
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    A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

    The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has received information direct from Rangoon to confirm reports that this morning, 25 September 2007, government vehicles manned by the personnel of township councils, quasi-government officials, government-organised thugs, police and others have since around 10am been patrolling the streets warning that there are to be no further protests or they will be met with violence and legal action.

    According to the information, the vehicles have been broadcasting announcements through loudspeakers that neither the monks nor public are to go on to the streets or stand on the side of the roads to support anybody marching on the street. The AHRC has confirmed that the vehicles have been moving around at least three townships: Kyauktada and Pabedan in the centre of town, and nearby Pazundaung. They have advised that protestors will be charged or violently repressed under the colonial-era sections 127-129 of the Criminal Procedure Code, which give authority to "command any unlawful assembly... to disperse" and if it does not to "proceed to disperse such assembly by force", and by military force if required. An unconfirmed report has it that announcements at the front of Yuzana Plaza, a big commercial building, have warned that protestors will be shot. There are also reports of army vehicles on the move in the city. Meanwhile, there are reports of similar announcements in other cities, including Mandalay.

    The actions follow television broadcasts and newspaper announcements on the night of September 24 with directives issued by the Maha Sangha Nayaka Committee, the official supreme council of monks established under the auspices of the government, that the regional and local committees "supervise the Buddhist monks and novices so that they are to practice only Pariyatti and Patipatti ", in accordance with three directives that were issued in 1990: the last time that the monks declared a boycott of the military regime. On that occasion, the military surrounded and occupied monasteries around the country, and thousands of monks and novices were arrested. Following the announcement from the committee, the Minister for Religious Affairs, Brigadier General Thura Myint Maung, indicated that "failure to observe or obey... will be met with action".

    At last report, a large assembly of monks and ordinary people was already marching in Rangoon, despite the threats.

    Bloodshed in Burma is now imminent. Two decades since the atrocities of 1988 the military regime there is indicating that it has in no way changed in its behaviour or outlook: even its rhetoric is virtually identical; there is no reason to think that it will shy away from its threats now.

    The Asian Human Rights Commission thus alerts the world community to the looming tragedy in Burma and calls on all parties concerned to do everything at their disposal to prevent it. If the world fails now, unlike in previous years, we will not be able to say that we did not know.

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    Free Myanmar political prisoners, says Tutu
    September 25 2007 at 01:29PM Cape Town -

    Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu on Tuesday appealed to the United Nations and international community to press the Myanmar (Burma) government to release political detainees.

    "The courage of the people of Burma is amazing and now they have been joined by their holy men," the Nobel peace laureate said in a statement.

    "It is so like the rolling mass action that eventually toppled apartheid," he said of the growing street protests in Myanmar.

    "We admire our brave sisters and brothers in Burma/Myanmar and want them to know that we support their peaceful protests to end a vicious rule of oppression and injustice."

    Tutu called on the UN and the international community to urge the military junta to release opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi and all political prisoners and detainees.

    The junta should also be urged to halt their violent attempts at putting down the people's protest, and engage all relevant parties in a genuine process leading to true democracy.

    "God bless all those wonderful brave people. Victory is assured. They are on the winning side, the side of freedom, justice and democracy," Tutu said. - Sapa

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    Protesting Buddhist Monks Find Ally In France
    September 25, 2007 7:34 a.m. EST
    Annie Laborte - AHN News Writer

    Burma (AHN) - Burma's protesting monks have found an ally in France after France's foreign ministry spokesperson Frederic Desagneaux warned Burmese authorities of 'accountability before the international community' should they crack down on the 100,000-strong activists who have rallied in Yangon.

    The protest rallies mark the biggest uprising against Myanmar's military junta since 1980. Monks are highly venerated people in Burma.

    Saying that France has recognized the "level of discontent of the Burmese people," Desagneaux pointed out it is "high time" the Burmese lawmakers "open the real process of national reconciliation that the country needs."

    Desagneaux stressed France is having ongoing discussions with its EU partners on the situation in Burma, particularly with Britain "due to its strong and long-standing involvement in this issue. The spokesman added that France took its support-Burma-stance after "watching developments with great concern."

    Aside from more the close to a mile long stretch of protest-marching monks, thousands of onlookers could also be found at the rally site.

    The protest march - with the aims of improving living condition and calls for national reconciliation - began six days ago, with prayers at Burma's holiest shrine, Shwedagon Pagoda.

    The military government has so far showed restraint over the protests according to reports from the region.

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    Anti-riot police move in as protests continue in Myanmar
    25/09 12:29 CET

    In Myanmar, heavily armed anti-riot police have been sent in to Yangon where tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets again today.

    The demonstrators had dispersed before the authorities moved in.

    The military regime in the former Burma earlier held an emergency meeting to decide how to respond to the protests.

    There are heightened fears of a crackdown on the pro-democracy movement, led by Buddhist monks.

    The junta has warned that the biggest protests for nearly 20 years could be put down by force.

    In defiance of the threat, some 100,000 people demonstrated in Yangon today, according to some reports.

    Ethnic rebels on the Thai border said troops had been redeployed to Yangon.

    State television urged the monks to put an end to their movement.

    The international community has urged restraint, fearful of a repeat of 1988, when a pro-democracy uprising was crushed with the loss of an estimated 3,000 lives.

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    Riot police deployed in Rangoon: reports

    By South East Asia correspondent Karen Percy
    Posted 34 minutes ago

    There are reports that riot police have moved on to the streets of Rangoon, the scene of eight days of anti-government protests in Burma.

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    In pictures: Protesters defy junta
    Tuesday, 25 September 2007, 12:22 GMT 13:22 UK


    Tens of thousands of Burmese defied warnings by the military junta, and staged another day of marches in cities across the country.


    In Rangoon, monks led the way from the revered Shwedagon Pagoda, which has become a focal point of the growing protests.


    They have been joined by large numbers of students and supporters who until Monday had stood on the sidelines cheering the monks.


    Along with Buddhist flags, some marchers carried flags bearing the image of a fighting peacock, which was used by students in the 1988 pro-democracy uprising.


    The protesters came out even though the junta warned it would "take action" after some 100,000 people marched on Monday.


    Truckloads of soldiers have been seen moving into the centre of Rangoon. The government is blaming rogue dissidents for the unrest.


    The international community fear a repeat of 1988, when government troops brutally suppressed a popular uprising, killing some 3,000 people.

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    Police movements in Rangoon 'part of shift change'
    By South East Asia correspondent Karen Percy
    Posted 59 minutes ago

    Tensions are on the rise in Burma amid rumours the military junta is devising a plan to put down ongoing anti-government protests.

    Riot police moving into the streets of the Burmese city of Rangoon appear to be part of a regular shift change and not part of a new deployment to the city.

    There were reports that extra riot police were being deployed in the city to guard against continuing anti-government protests.

    But other reports say it is a simple shift change of existing security forces.
    Either way it reveals the level of nervousness at how the military will react after thousands of monks, students and civilians defied their orders to stop demonstrating.

    In the administrative capital of Naypidaw, the generals are reportedly working on a response, and there are rumours of troop movements elsewhere in the country.

    The protests began last month when the government increased fuel prices, but have broadened to include demands for the freeing of political prisoners.

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