Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1
    Thailand Expat misskit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Chiang Mai
    Posts
    28,295

    China Sends Air NZ Flight Home Over Mention of 'Taiwan': Local Media

    An Air New Zealand flight has been denied permission to land in Shanghai after the Chinese authorities discovered a reference to Taiwan in its documentation, supposedly an indication of the country's support for independence for the democratic island.

    "Multiple sources say paperwork for the Air NZ flight 289, which returned to Auckland after several hours in the air included reference to Taiwan which China took to be an acknowledgement that the island was independent," New Zealand's Stuff.co.nz news website reported.

    While the People's Republic of China's ruling Communist Party has refused diplomatic ties with any country that recognizes Taiwan, this is the first time that another country's flag carrying airline has been sent home in mid-air over the issue.

    According to passenger Eric Hundman, Air NZ hadn't disclosed a detailed explanation for the flight's Monday turnaround.

    "The aircraft operating your flight did not have regulatory approval to land in China and was required to return to Auckland," the airline said in a screenshot of a text message sent to passengers posted to Hundman's Twitter account.

    Chen Weijian, the New Zealand-based editor-in-chief of the politicalmagazine Beijing Spring, said the emerging reports appeared to contradict an earlier statement from New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern, who said the plane's forced U-turn had nothing to do with politics.

    Chen said the incident is likely an escalation from earlier objections from Beijing to international airlines that listed Taiwan as a separate destination, rather than as a city within China.

    China last year issued a number of complaints about companies' use of the word "Taiwan," especially where its usage implied a territory that is distinct and separate from its own.

    In April 2018, Beijing's Civil Aviation Administration requested that foreign airlines take "Taiwan," "Hong Kong" and "Macau" out of their lists of countries, or standalone destinations.

    However, Hong Kong and Macau are former colonies that have returned toChinese rule, while Taiwan has never been ruled by the Chinese Communist Party. The requests were rejected at the time by the U.S. government as "Orwellian nonsense."

    "I think the main problem here is that Taiwan was given an independentlisting," Chen said. "I think that [Ardern] was, quite frankly, just trying to play down the incident ... They wanted to deal with the matter privately, by accepting China's demand that Taiwan not be given separate status as an independent country or region."


    Long-term influence campaign


    He said the New Zealand government had been the target of a long-terminfluence campaign by the Chinese Communist Party.

    "Communist Party infiltration in New Zealand is actually very serious," Chen said. "New Zealand has typically followed Australia's lead in the past, but now they are distancing themselves from Australia and cozying up to China."

    Yang Sen-hong, president of the Taiwan Association for China HumanRights, said Beijing has no right to make such claims about the island, which it has never governed.

    "Taiwan has never been a part of [the People's Republic of] China," Yang told RFA. "This insistence that people list Taiwan as part of Chinese territory is a lie."

    "They try it on and then when it doesn't work, they fly into a rage," he said. "That's not how an major country should behave. I think that if they carry on like this, it's going to cause more and more of a backlash among other countries."

    He said Taiwan needs to stick to its point of view. "We need to keep on hitting back strongly whenever the Chinese Communist Party does such things," Yang said.

    Last month, Taiwan president Tsai Ing-wen rejected calls from ChinesePresident Xi Jinping for the democratic island to "unify" with the People's Republic, saying its people have no wish to give up their sovereignty.

    In a Jan. 2 "Letter to our Taiwan compatriots," Xi swapped the ChineseCommunist Party's previous insistence on the idea that Taiwan is part of a divided "One China" for a new theme: "unification."

    "It has been a historical and unavoidable duty of the Chinese Communist Party, Chinese government and the Chinese people to resolve the matter of Taiwan and unify the motherland ever since 1949," Xi said in the statement.

    But he made scant reference to public opinion among the 23 millioninhabitants of Taiwan, which his party has never ruled, and warned: "We make no promise to renounce the use of military force, and reserve the right to take all necessary measures to deal with hostile foreign forces and a tiny minority of separatists and their splittist activities."

    Xi urged Taiwan to work towards "unification" under the "one country, two systems" model that was promised to Hong Kong after its 1997 handover to China, rather than the direct imposition of Communist Party rule. However, that city's autonomy has been eroded in recent years by a series of high-profile interventions from Beijing, according to U.S. and U.K. officials, Hong Kong's Bar Association, and international rights groups.
    Taiwan rejects 'one country, two systems'

    Tsai Ing-wen responded by asserting the right of Taiwan's 23 millioninhabitants to decide their own fate.

    "I want to reiterate that Taiwan absolutely will not accept 'one country, two systems,'" Tsai said. "The vast majority of public opinion in Taiwan is also resolutely opposed to 'one country, two systems.'"

    Beijing has never accepted the status of Taiwan as a sovereign power,although the Republic of China government established by the nationalist Kuomintang (KMT) fled to the island in 1949 after losing a civil war to Mao Zedong's communists.

    Officially, Taiwan is still known as the Republic of China, which controls the four islands of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu. Beijing has refused diplomatic ties with any country that also recognizes the Republic of China, and actively encourages Taiwan's partners to switch recognition.

    Instead, China insists that Taiwan is a breakaway province of the People's Republic of China, and refuses to engage in government-to-government talks, while Tsai has called on Beijing to handle negotiations on an equal basis.

    Taiwan was ruled as a Japanese colony in the 50 years prior to the end of World War II, but was handed back to the 1911 Republic of China under the nationalist Kuomintang government as part of Tokyo's post-war reparation deal.

    When the Kuomintang regime fled to Taiwan in 1947 after losing a civil war to Mao Zedong's communist troops, the Republic of China governmentceased to control most of China, though it continues to be the official name of the Taiwan government.

    The island began a transition to democracy following the death of Chiang's son, President Chiang Ching-kuo, in January 1988, starting with direct elections to the legislature in the early 1990s and culminating in the first direct election of a president, Lee Teng-hui, in 1996.

    Recent opinion polls indicate that there is broad political support for continued self-rule in Taiwan, where the majority of voters identify as Taiwanese rather than Chinese.

    In September, the state-backed Global Times newspaper hit out at Appleover its listing of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China as separateentities, claiming that the democratic island of Taiwan is "an inalienable part" of China's territory.

    Hong Kong and Taiwan were listed "on par" with China on a slide showing markets for the new iPhone XS, the Global Times newspaper, sister paper to ruling Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece the People's Daily, said. China has also complained about a similar listing for the island on the website of furniture giant Ikea.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/chi...019134738.html

  2. #2
    Thailand Expat
    VocalNeal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:17 PM
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    11,020
    Stupid as Taiwan is not a destination? Taipei is the correct destination. Anyone flying to there knows where it is.

    The whole issue is based on a piss poor understanding of geography and where aircraft can land.

  3. #3
    Member
    harrybarracuda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    Today @ 08:57 PM
    Posts
    57,259
    Petulant chinky twats.

  4. #4
    En route
    Cujo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:13 PM
    Location
    Reality.
    Posts
    27,622
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Petulant chinky twats.
    My thoughts exactly.

  5. #5
    The poster you can trust Luigi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Abuja
    Posts
    21,631
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Stupid as Taiwan is not a destination? Taipei is the correct destination. Anyone flying to there knows where it is.

    The whole issue is based on a piss poor understanding of geography and where aircraft can land.
    Wasn't it due to land in Shanghai?

  6. #6
    ความรู้ลึกลับ HuangLao's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    สุโขทัย
    Posts
    5,791
    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Wasn't it due to land in Shanghai?
    Indeed.
    Neal's way of suggesting that all those Chinky place names sound alike.
    Taipei, Shanghai, whatever....


    Akin to Robert Duvall's portrayal of Lt. Colonel Bill Kilgore in quoting, "all those Dink places some alike to me"


  7. #7
    I am in Jail
    stroller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Last Online
    12-03-2019 @ 09:53 AM
    Location
    out of range
    Posts
    23,080
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    The whole issue is based on a piss poor understanding of geography and where aircraft can land.
    Eastern-centric cultural dogma.

  8. #8
    Balls to Monty
    Looper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:09 AM
    Posts
    11,712
    Bunch of fookin cry-babies.

    They are worse than muslims and Allah with their offence-taking snow-flakism about Taiwan.


  9. #9
    Valve Master
    Latindancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    11,124
    Asserting their power ....again. But it really does seem petty and childish. If only they knew how much loss of face it causes.

  10. #10
    Thailand Expat tomcat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    9,646
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    If only they knew how much loss of face it causes.
    ...probably not on the Mainland itself...once locked inside the Great Firewall, folks aren't exposed to erroneous foreign opinions...

  11. #11
    Thailand Expat
    VocalNeal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:17 PM
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    11,020
    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Indeed.
    Neal's way of suggesting that all those Chinky place names sound alike.
    Taipei, Shanghai, whatever....
    What were you drinking. I was suggesting that if Air NZ had Taipei as the destination city and not Taiwan as the destination country the whole thing would not have happened.

    If you don't like Taipei then use Taoyuan.

    It irks me when people are thick.

  12. #12
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Last Online
    26-03-2019 @ 11:28 AM
    Location
    across the street
    Posts
    4,111
    Getting multi-nationals to refer to Taiwan as PRC is a de facto win....just a matter of time before gov'ts follow suit....50 years down the road ROC won't exist.

  13. #13
    Balls to Monty
    Looper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:09 AM
    Posts
    11,712
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    What were you drinking. I was suggesting that if Air NZ had Taipei as the destination city and not Taiwan as the destination country the whole thing would not have happened.
    Read the OP.

    It was not the destination. The plane was headed for Shanghai.

    Taiwan was simply mentioned in passing on the flight plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    It irks me when people are thick.
    .....

  14. #14
    Thailand Expat
    kmart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Online
    05-04-2019 @ 09:11 AM
    Location
    Rayong.
    Posts
    10,325
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...probably not on the Mainland itself...once locked inside the Great Firewall, folks aren't exposed to erroneous foreign opinions...
    Yep. The Chinese government merely exploiting any deemed weakness it can, same as most countries do anyway.

  15. #15
    Thailand Expat
    VocalNeal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:17 PM
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    11,020
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Read the OP.

    It was not the destination. The plane was headed for Shanghai.

    Taiwan was simply mentioned in passing on the flight plan.


    .....

    I read the OP. Again they should not have mentioned the word Taiwan. FFS Is everyone slow? Aircraft have to transit through ATC areas. They could or should have been politically savvy and mentioned Taoyuan, Songshan, Kinmen, Beigan, Nangan, or whichever controlled area they were flying in or near.

    Still they won't make the same mistake again.....
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
    I apologize if any offence was caused. unless it was intended.
    You people, you think I know feck nothing; I tell you: I know feck all
    Those who cannot change their mind, cannot change anything.

  16. #16
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Last Online
    26-03-2019 @ 11:28 AM
    Location
    across the street
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    . Again they should not have mentioned the word Taiwan
    Problem isn't about saying Taiwan, it's about whether ROC or PRC that comes after....Beijing is trying to train the world to say Taiwan, China

  17. #17
    Thailand Expat David48atTD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 07:08 PM
    Location
    Palace Far from Worries
    Posts
    6,881
    RELATED ...

    ---

    Beijing intensifies lobbying of Pacific nations to recognise Taiwan as part of One China




    Taiwan donates large amounts of aid to its six Pacific allies, but China wants to prise off its remaining supporters.


    Beijing has intensified its campaign to isolate Taiwan in the Pacific, pressing for the region's peak diplomatic body to formally embrace a One China policy.

    Key points:

    • China has been lobbying the Pacific Islands Forum to recognise the One China policy
    • Taiwan enjoys support of six nations in the region
    • Intense strategic competition in the Pacific has created unease within the forum


    Sources from two Pacific Island nations say Chinese officials have tried to convince them the Pacific Islands Forum (PIF) should accept that the Chinese Communist Party is the rightful government of both the mainland and Taiwan.

    The move is inflammatory because the Pacific remains one of Taiwan's last bastions of diplomatic support, with six nations in the region — Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Tuvalu and Palau — recognising Taipei rather than Beijing.

    Taiwan donates large amounts of aid to these countries, and works hard to cultivate relationships with their political leaders.

    But China has been intent on prising off Taiwan's remaining allies around the globe.
    Attached Images Attached Images

    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

    .

  18. #18
    Thailand Expat AntRobertson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    32,496
    Quote Originally Posted by HDFC0000059 View Post
    Not being reported in the NZ Hearld.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12202409

  19. #19
    Member
    harrybarracuda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    Today @ 08:57 PM
    Posts
    57,259
    They should just ban all Chinese passenger airlines everywhere until the chinkies STFU about it.

    Added benefit is that you'll be able to get food at Asian hotel buffets.

  20. #20
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 08:20 PM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    3,113
    Slightly off topic, but when I was diverted to HK last year, and missed a connecting flight, I had to stay overnight at the airlines expense.
    My last time in HK was in 1990. Hadn’t registered until reading this, but I can now add China to the list of countries I have visited.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •