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    Two Hungarians killed and a Japanese seriously injured in fatal collision in central

    Two Hungarians were killed and a Japanese seriously injured in a road accident involving a passenger van and a big bike on Rajdamri Road in Pathumwan district of Bangkok late Monday night.


    The van driver, 57-year-old Permsak Yainoi, who escaped injury reportedly told Lumpini police that he was driving his Japanese boss, 36-year-old Tatsiro Takaoka, back to his apartment in Soi Mahatlek 2, Rajdamri road, at about 10.30 pm on Monday night. As he was making a right turn into Soi Mahatlek 2 when a motorcycle suddenly rammed into the middle of the van, overturning the vehicle.


    Rescue workers helped the Japanese passenger from the van and had him sent to Chulalongkorn Hospital. One of the two Hungarians, identified as Adam Balog, 30, was found dead at the scene. The other, 35-year-old Krisztian Bodrogi, was seriously injured and was pronounced dead at the hospital.


    Police said that the two Hungarians worked at a hotel booking company and they appeared to be riding on the same big bike, a bronze BMW S 1000 XR.


    Police said they had notified the Hungarian Embassy about the deaths of the two Hungarians so that they could contact the victimís families back in Hungary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    As he was making a right turn into Soi Mahatlek 2 when a motorcycle suddenly rammed into the middle of the van, overturning the vehicle.
    IE he pulled out in front of the bike.
    I wonder if he has the same interpretation of the road rules as the Thai guy I exchanged words with? My angry chap was adamant that motobikes have to give way to cars, in all situations.



    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    One of the two Hungarians, identified as Adam Balog, 30, was found dead at the scene. The other, 35-year-old Krisztian Bodrogi, was seriously injured and was pronounced dead at the hospital.
    So one recorded road death and one hospital death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    IE he pulled out in front of the bike.
    If they hit the van hard enough to overturn it, they were probably speeding and at 22:30 a possibility of alcohol being involved.

    It doesn't really matter who was in the right, if you drive defensively you won't be driving into vans at high speed when they make sudden turns.

    FFS in the Middle East you almost assume if a turning is coming up that some cunto will cut across three lanes to go down it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If they hit the van hard enough to overturn it, they were probably speeding and at 22:30 a possibility of alcohol being involved.
    No argument there, unless the van driver's right turn was fast, sudden, and sharp enough to have 1. surprised the rider and 2. unbalanced the van.
    I shudder to think how fast a big bike has to be going to topple a van without the van already having sideways, top-heavy impetus. I wonder if it's even possible.
    On reflection, I don't think it would be possible, thus I remain with my original speculation that the van turned right too suddenly and in the path of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    No argument there, unless the van driver's right turn was fast, sudden, and sharp enough to have 1. surprised the rider and 2. unbalanced the van.
    I shudder to think how fast a big bike has to be going to topple a van without the van already having sideways, top-heavy impetus. I wonder if it's even possible.
    On reflection, I don't think it would be possible, thus I remain with my original speculation that the van turned right too suddenly and in the path of the bike.
    A large motorbike travelling at high speed has the same inertia as a small car travelling at a reasonable speed.

    Did you not do physics at school?

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    ^ I did. And the center of gravity seems to be off to me.

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    Given that that are cameras everywhere, I'm surprised there isn't film of it yet.

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    From another report:







    The Lumpini police station was alerted at 10.30pm of the accident in front of Soi Mahad Lek Luang 2 off Ratchadamri Road in Lumpini district near the BTS Ratchadamri station.


    Police said the BMW S1000XR motorcycle hit the left side of a Toyota van, causing it to flip onto its right side. The motorcycle pierced through the side into the passenger room of the van.


    The body of motorcyclist Adam Balogh, 30, was found on top of two severely injured men inside the van. The two other men were identified as Krisztian Bodrogi, 35, and Tatsuro Takaoka, 36. The two injured were rushed to Chulalongkorn Hospital.


    Police said Bodrogi died later at the hospital.

    The van driver, Permsak Yainoi, 57, said he was driving the Japanese man back to his residence on the soi when the speeding bike with a driver and a pillion rider hit him.

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    Hmmm. Driving his boss home. So he does it often?

    Most accidents happen within X miles of home, familiarity breeds contempt etc.

    From the physics. Van driver cut across the path of the on comming bike. Speed limit in BKK is 80 kph so maybe traveling legally.

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    From the size of the dent in that van, and the fact that the impact overturned it, the bike must have been going at a helluva click..
    Was once in a similar accident in Singapore; a rider came straight across a junction and t-boned the van we were in. The rider went over our minivan and landed about 30 meters up the road, luckily not too messed up / alive. Our van hardly moved, and I got badly-bruised leg from the impact. Bike was a 500cc and was going fairly fast when he hit us, but the damage was nothing like in the photos above.^^

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    If the van was turning and at speed it would be less stable than fex stationary or slow; combine this with the impact of another retard travelling at speed into a weak spot could have tipped it over. Freak accident when freak meets freak.

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    Speed limit is in fact 60 kph. Given the impact damage it is reasonable to assume that the bike was travelling in excess of that, probably at least 100 kph. Given the weight of the machine and assuming average build the travelling mass would have been around 350+ kgs. We are therefore looking at a possible collision releasing a KE of 13000000J. No wonder the van overturned and the guys were killed. The force would have turned the brains and organs into blancmange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Speed limit is in fact 60 kph. Given the impact damage it is reasonable to assume that the bike was travelling in excess of that, probably at least 100 kph. Given the weight of the machine and assuming average build the travelling mass would have been around 350+ kgs. We are therefore looking at a possible collision releasing a KE of 13000000J. No wonder the van overturned and the guys were killed. The force would have turned the brains and organs into blancmange.
    Well they managed to get in the van without opening the door.

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    Maybe they had a load of sausages...

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    Actually, the speed limit there is 50kph. Yep, they were speeding for sure. Maxed out on the experience debit limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seekingasylum View Post
    Speed limit is in fact 60 kph.
    No it is 80 kph.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post



    Biker twats should "Think Car" and "Think Truck".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    ^ I did. And the center of gravity seems to be off to me.
    Yep. Way too low. And look at the damage to the bike in the pics. It's clear the van must have been about to topple anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Yep. Way too low. And look at the damage to the bike in the pics. It's clear the van must have been about to topple anyway.
    Look at the dent in the van FFS. Plus the two passengers ended up IN it.

    Gravity has very little to do with this accident.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Look at the dent in the van FFS. Plus the two passengers ended up IN it.

    Gravity has very little to do with this accident.

    Who was it that asked about physics? Center of gravity is the issue here, not "gravity".
    Actually, "gravity" probably does have something to do with this since it appears (to me) that the van must have been toppling already in it's turn. The bike's impetus just gave that last shove.
    What would have been the impact of the bike directly T-boning the van when all it's force was well below 1m? I would put it out there that even had the bike been twice the weight and travelling twice the speed, an impact that low would shift the van sideways, not topple it, unless the van was already inclined to topple.
    But I'll stand to be corrected. It's just a hunch on my part.

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    My limited knowledge of physics indicated that if the van was turning right onto Soi Mahatlek then the left-hand side of the van would have a downward force applied to it not an upward force.
    The only way the van would have an upward force applied to the left-hand side would be if the van made a sudden left-hand turn into the soi or maybe a sudden straitening after the right-hand turn or a swerve to the left.

    Strange things occur during traffic accidents. Which make the science of detecting the cause sometimes interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    My limited knowledge of physics indicated that if the van was turning right onto Soi Mahatlek then the left-hand side of the van would have a downward force applied to it not an upward force.
    The only way the van would have an upward force applied to the left-hand side would be if the van made a sudden left-hand turn into the soi or maybe a sudden straitening after the right-hand turn or a swerve to the left.

    Strange things occur during traffic accidents. Which make the science of detecting the cause sometimes interesting.
    I think it's fairly obvious from the dent that the van was knocked over by the force of the impact, and that the bike was coming from the opposite direction, not going in the same one as the van.

    But, you know, that's just my opinion based on the damage to the van.

    You're right though, while he was turning the left side of the van would be lower than the right.

    But the dent is so deep I don't suppose that made a huge amount of difference to the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Who was it that asked about physics? Center of gravity is the issue here, not "gravity".
    Actually, "gravity" probably does have something to do with this since it appears (to me) that the van must have been toppling already in it's turn.
    So why did it fall the other way?

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    Clearly a couple of batty boys loving the sound of the big bike and were hooning around fast annoying everyone in the vicinity with their stupid bike. Jap turning into the St Regis would be my guess looking at that, and the biker boyz were revving for a fast get away from PLoen Chit rd traffic lights as is the want of these types of idiots. 500 meters, Hit a truck. Dead.

    Hardly takes the power of TD CSI to figure this one out. That bike going full pelt from a standing start? 0-100 in 3-4 seconds and on wards eating up 500 meters from junction to St Regis crossing in what, 10 seconds? the Thai driver was a full time driver to the jap, so is not going to be rushing (smooth is preferred from a driver). Looks briefly and sees an empty road and starts moving, bang. 2 dead biker dicks.

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