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    Fleeing a marriage...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1ed8f388b690

    Alqunun’s family locked her up for months at one point as punishment for cutting her hair.



    Wish her all the luck in the world in breaking free

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Wish her all the luck in the world in breaking free
    I would suggest her planning skills need polishing.

    I'm surprised the local IOs don't have a number or two to send the flash SMS too.

    SMS alert: "Teenage girl needing some cash from a "well wisher" to enter Thailand. How much am I bid for a dark haired teen age girl with a 90 day visa?"

    Surely there is a network already established?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    ...it would be interesting if a constant stream of Gulf women seeking to escape their families started up...these new boat people might arrive on European shores in yachts from Lebanon, rightly claiming persecution and threats of aggressive barbering...

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    One wonders if the UNHCR are able and willing to help an Oz citizen held in an embassy in London for a number of years;

    "“UNHCR consistently advocates that refugees and asylum seekers — having been confirmed or claimed to be in need of international protection — cannot be returned to their countries of origin according to the principle of non-refoulement. Non-refoulement is an international principle that prevents states from expelling or returning persons to a territory where their life or freedom would be threatened,” she said. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    aggressive barbering...
    Is that a gay hair removal procedure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I would suggest her planning skills need polishing.
    1) In the current climate nobody will question just how badly things might turn out if she's sent home. Her timing is excellent.

    2) She waited until she was 18.

    3) Her social media presence has helped put her case forward.

    4) She has refused to be intimidated into returning home when at BKK airport.

    Were your 'planning skills' as good as that at 18?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders if the UNHCR are able and willing to help an Oz citizen held in an embassy in London for a number of years;

    "“UNHCR consistently advocates that refugees and asylum seekers — having been confirmed or claimed to be in need of international protection — cannot be returned to their countries of origin according to the principle of non-refoulement. Non-refoulement is an international principle that prevents states from expelling or returning persons to a territory where their life or freedom would be threatened,” she said. "

    http://https://www.washingtonpost.co...=.1ed8f388b690
    Who is expelling the little Putin stooge?

    No-one.

    They're just asking him to wash occasionally and stop his cat shitting everywhere.

    I don't think that's part of the UNHCR remit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    1) In the current climate nobody will question just how badly things might turn out if she's sent home. Her timing is excellent.

    2) She waited until she was 18.

    3) Her social media presence has helped put her case forward.

    4) She has refused to be intimidated into returning home when at BKK airport.

    Were your 'planning skills' as good as that at 18?
    She obviously knows that she printed her own death warrant, that the system and its guardians are corrupt, the only support she could find is via social media, and that the cliche of 'people power' can often shake up the most corrupt leaders and officials.

    Smart lass, hope she lands in the civilised world.
    Even sheep get a clue at the gates to the slaughterhouse.

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    The father and brother of a the Saudi 18 year old, whose plea for asylum is making international headlines, are travelling to Thailand later today to give their accounts to the UN refugee agency, the Thai Immigration police chief said on Tuesday.


    But Immigration Chief, Surachet Hakparn says, if they wished to speak to Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun, who ran away from her family during their trip to Kuwait, it would be up to the girl.

    Surachet will act as a mediator in their talks with the UN High Commission for Refugees representatives, if the meeting goes ahead.



    “I believe the father and brother of al-Qunun want to give information to the UNHCR for it to have both sides of the story. I think this will be fair to both sides.”


    He was speaking after meeting Abdalelah Mohammed Alsheaiby, the charge d’affaires at the Saudi Arabia’s embassy in Bangkok, while discussing Thailand’s stance on al-Qunun’s high profile case.

    Al-Qunun was detained on arrival at Suvarnabhumi Airport during transit while en route to Australia. She alleged that she was being subjected to physical and psychological abuse by her family.

    She planned to seek asylum in Australia and expressed fears that she would be killed if she were sent back to Saudi Arabia by Thai Immigration officials who had detained her at the airport.


    Surachet claims that she was stopped at the request of her family who alerted the Saudi Embassy in Bangkok.


    Meanwhile, the UN refugee agency says that it has taken into its care the Saudi woman who made the desperate plea for asylum after being apprehended at Suvarnabhumi Airport.


    The agency says in a statement that it will take “several days” to assess her claims before taking further steps. The refugee agency also applauded Thailand for its decision to halt their deportation of Al-qunun and allow UNHCR staff to talk to her and assess her status.


    “We are very grateful that the Thai authorities did not send back Al-qunun against her will and are extending protection for her,” said UNHCR’s representative in Thailand, Giuseppe de Vicentiis, in the statement.

    https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok/...93ff9-33533131

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    Lets see their fucking faces


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    Thai authorities will not deport Saudi teen who claims she is in danger

    An 18-year-old Saudi girl who fled her family and barricaded herself inside a hotel at Suvarnabhumi airport to prevent being expelled by Thai authorities yesterday left the airport after talks with the United Nations refugee agency.


    Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun has been at Bangkok’s international airport since Saturday, when she arrived from Kuwait, saying she feared her family would kill her if she is forced to return home. Her relatives have not commented on her accusations of abuse and Reuters was not able to reach them.


    The case has drawn new global attention to Saudi Arabia’s strict social rules, including a requirement that women have the permission of a male “guardian” to travel, which rights groups say can trap women and girls as prisoners of abusive families.


    It comes at a time when Riyadh is facing unusually intense scrutiny from its Western allies over the killing of a journalist at its consulate in Istanbul in October.


    Thai immigration officials had planned to put Rahaf on a flight back to Kuwait yesterday, but relented after her online pleas drew international attention.


    She told Reuters via text and audio messages she had fled Kuwait during a family visit there, and had planned to travel to Australia to seek asylum. She said she was held after leaving her plane in Bangkok and told she would be sent back to Kuwait.


    “They will kill me,” Rahaf told Reuters. “My life is in danger. My family threatens to kill me for the most trivial things.”


    A representative of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) met Rahaf at the airport and also discussed the case with Thai immigration officials. After the meeting, Thailand’s immigration chief Pol Maj Gen Surachate Hakparn said she would not be expelled.


    “We will take her into Bangkok and provide her with safe shelter under the care of the UNHCR,” he told reporters yesterday evening.


    He said the UNHCR would work on processing Rahaf’s request for refugee status. Mr Giuseppe de Vincentis, the UNHCR representative in Thailand, said the Thai government had given assurances that Rahaf would not be expelled to any country where she might be in danger while her case was being processed.


    Rahaf posted a video on Twitter yesterday of her barricading her hotel door with a table and a mattress. She said her family was powerful in Saudi society but she did not identify them.
    Asked why she was seeking refuge in Australia, she told Reuters: “Physical, emotional and verbal abuse and being imprisoned inside the house for months. They threaten to kill me and prevent me from continuing my education,” she said.


    “They won’t let me drive or travel. I am oppressed. I love life and work and I am very ambitious but my family is preventing me from living.”


    The Saudi foreign ministry said in a tweet that its embassy was in touch with the teen’s father and the Thai government, but its diplomats had not met or communicated with her.


    The Human Rights Watch group said Thailand should not send Rahaf back to her family because she says she faces danger.


    Rahaf said she had obtained an Australian visa and had planned to spend a few days in Thailand first so that she would not spark suspicion when she left Kuwait.


    Thai immigration chief Surachate, however, said that Rahaf did not have a visa for Australia. The Australian Embassy said it had no immediate comment.


    Contradicting earlier accounts from Thai officials, Pol Maj Gen Surachate said the Thai authorities had been contacted by the Saudis before deciding to deny Rahaf entry to the country.


    “The Saudi Arabia embassy contacted the immigration police… and said that the girl had run away from her parents and they fear for her safety,” he said.


    “We acknowledged this and checked her paperwork. She had a passport but no return ticket, no travel plan, and no destination or hotel reservation in Thailand… so per airport security procedures, immigration denied her entry.” — Reuters

    https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-au...-is-in-danger/

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    Father, brother of Saudi teen flying to Thailand

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    The father and brother of a Saudi teenager, whose flight and plea for asylum has made international headlines, will travel to Thailand later today to give their accounts to the UN refugee agency, the Thai Immigration police chief said on Tuesday.

    In case they wished to speak to Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun, the 18-year-old Saudi girl who ran away from her family during their trip to Kuwait, it would be up to the girl, Pol LtGeneral Surachet Hakparn said.


    Surachet will act as a mediator in their talks with the UN High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) representatives, Surachet said.


    “I believe the father and brother of al-Qunun want to give information to the UNHCR for it to have both sides of the story. I think this will be fair to both sides,” he said.



    He was speaking after meeting Abdalelah Mohammed Alsheaiby, charge d’affaires at Saudi Arabia’s embassy in Bangkok, while discussing Thailand’s stance on al-Qunun’s much-publicised case.


    Al-Qunun was detained on arrival at Suvarnabhumi Airport during transit while en route to Australia. She alleged that she was being subjected to physical and psychological abuse by her family.


    She planned to seek asylum in Australia and expressed fears that she would be killed if she were sent back to Saudi Arabia by Thai Immigration officials who had detained her at the airport.


    Surachet said earlier that she was stopped at the request of her family who alerted the Saudi Embassy in Bangkok.


    At her request, the Thai side decided to hand her over on Monday night to the care of the UNHCR. The agency said in a statement that it required five days to process the girl’s request.


    Surachet said that during his meeting with the Riyadh diplomat, both sides agreed that it was a family matter and both the family and the girl should meet to settle the conflict.


    The said both countries had the same aim, the safety of the girl, with the diplomat saying that he was satisfied with Thailand’s decisions on the matter.


    “It was her wish to be under the care of the UNHCR, not that of the Thai government,” Surachet told the diplomat.


    Father, brother of Saudi teen flying to Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think that's part of the UNHCR remit.
    I am suggesting the UNHCR take an equally high profile position in all cases, where people are under threat. Of expulsion or ........

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh;3882616[COLOR=#ffff00
    returning persons to a territory where their life or freedom would be threatened[/COLOR],
    But I am aware you are reluctant to read the post fully, for fear of agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    1) In the current climate nobody will question just how badly things might turn out if she's sent home. Her timing is excellent.

    2) She waited until she was 18.

    3) Her social media presence has helped put her case forward.

    4) She has refused to be intimidated into returning home when at BKK airport.

    Were your 'planning skills' as good as that at 18?
    1. Nobody will question. Some may, some may not
    2. She is, in some countries, an adult. Is that beneficial to her position?
    3. She currently is being held by the Thai police or possibly an UNHCR secure facility, she has achieved nothing, so far.
    4. Allegedly she let her passport to be taken away from her. She allowed the Thai police to put her under lock and key in a "hotel room"/holding cell for people to be deported. I suspect it's standard procedure for anybody who is refused entry in a country prior to organising a seat with the airline who brought her to Thailand. I don't suppose you have ever wondered why, when flying on a one-way ticket to Thailand, the check-in person asked you an extra question or two? No decision by the UNHCR has been made public, yet.

    I took responsibility for my actions at 16 years of age. One can question the plan or possibly the outcomes. But so far it's been pretty good, thanks.

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    Stickboy reckons the whole story is a load of crap. I don't agree with Stickboys take on things but a different perspective all the same. Someone else can post a link if they want as I just read it on Dave Mears Facebook.

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    ^^ Of course being an adult is essential for her not to be sent back to her 'guardian', ffs.

    For the rest...what a pile of unfathomable bilge.

    I forgot what a waste of time responding to you is.

    My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I am suggesting the UNHCR take an equally high profile position in all cases, where people are under threat. Of expulsion or ........

    But I am aware you are reluctant to read the post fully, for fear of agreement.
    I totally agree, they should let him go to Russia. I'm sure Ed Snowden has a spare room, and being Putin stooges they will get on famously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Stickboy reckons the whole story is a load of crap.
    Who the fuck is "stickboy" and what would they know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    1) In the current climate nobody will question just how badly things might turn out if she's sent home. Her timing is excellent.
    A fair point. Even a guarantee of her safety from MBS himself would be akin to "we're going to put her in a blender and feed what's left to the royal hounds".

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Who the fuck is "stickboy" and what would they know?
    Not sure who he is, think he took over writing crap when stickman retired.

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    I believe we question as to how/why this silly incident has become an issue.....or even newsworthy angst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Who the fuck is "stickboy" and what would they know?
    Isn't he an imitator of that pointless Kiwi who blathers on about shyte only people like djpat read?

    Obviously an invaluable source on a diplomatic wrangle like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    ^^ Of course being an adult is essential for her not to be sent back to her 'guardian', ffs.

    For the rest...what a pile of unfathomable bilge.

    I forgot what a waste of time responding to you is.
    You have the upper hand on knowledge of SA law, it seems.

    Or possibly not;

    "In Saudi Arabia, a woman’s life is controlled by a man from birth until death. Every Saudi woman must have a male guardian, normally a father or husband, but in some cases a brother or even a son, who has the power to make a range of critical decisions on her behalf."

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/1...ianship-system

    Are you suggesting a person can arrive in any country and disregard the laws of their own country? Adopting whatever laws they wish, taken from whatever country they wish?

    Unable to refute anything. Why bother exposing yourself to more ridicule. Best keep stum. That's the way of winning eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Are you suggesting a person can arrive in any country and disregard the laws of their own country?
    ...that's exactly what this brave young woman is trying to do: escape a lifetime of infantilization under a codified system of tribal laws...I'm afraid your ignorance is no longer entertaining...

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    Saudi charge d'affaires saying that they should have taken her phone not her passport....

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1082641243690156032


    And a tweet from a female Al Jazeera correspondent (admittedly may have a bit of political bias):


    If you want to know how much in danger is @rahaf84427714 just check the amount of saudi tweets calling for her to be hanged . Her father & bro are now in Thailand. Whatever assurances they give, dont believe a word. It will all change if they take her back home.


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