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    'What is the best qualification to teach English as a Second Language?' is a very good question, and one which few if any armchair critics can answer without exposing themselves as 'know nothings'.

    If anyone answered 'a primary or secondary school home-country qualification' then you need to realise that teaching native-speakers aged 5-18, never mind 50 year-old bankers, is a completely different kettle of fish.

    I've worked with teachers who meet that criterion btw, and that is not their answer.

    Yes, even semi-literate TD know-it-alls like Jack meoff can have a go.

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    Errrm OK Teachy, teach us. No good just holding yourself up as an authority and not backing it up. Waiting....

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    I've asked a question, numb prick.

    Teachers aren't supposed to answer those themselves without waiting for some attempts first.

    Surely even a pointless sock like you knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I've asked a question, numb prick.

    Teachers aren't supposed to answer those themselves without waiting for some attempts first.

    Surely even a pointless sock like you knows that.
    But you are the authority, at least you'd think so the way you pull up other posters on English and any associated teaching issues you creep.

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    Ability to passionately arouse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    There must be competent Thais who are able to teach English but I have never met one.
    ...I doubt a Thai who is competent in English would bother teaching for the peanuts offered when there is a screaming need (as demonstrated by salary levels) in the private sector for English language ability coupled with another salable skill...I'm thinking of local English-speaking dentists, doctors, engineers, computer specialists, etc...the Thai-Chinese have long recognized English as a necessary part of their evil spawns' skill sets, sending hundreds/thousands of their entitled heirs to schools in HK, Singapore and English-speaking destinations in all directions...what use, after all, does a rice farmer's brown child have for English when the army and police provide all the upward mobility he needs to achieve economic nirvana...as long as there exists a Ministry of Education staffed by the profoundly ignorant, education in the swamp will remain a fruitless, money-wasting exercise that subjects the young afflicted to boredom, mindless repetition and stern reinforcement of how Thainess really works. Such nonsense borders on human rights abuse...teaching English to the socially handicapped is a small part of that torture...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Why should they be trying to learn English.
    Number 1 for Thais is the fact that ASEAN has agreed to use English as the common language of communication.

    Number 2 is that English was the most taught as a second language around the world.

    Number 3 is that Number 2 will continue being Number 2.

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    ...Number 1: the Thai-Chinese have that language requirement well in hand...
    ...Number 2: as suggested by Thainess, no second language is needed in the swamp...
    ...Number 3: Number 2 happens elsewhere and bears no relation to or influence on the local situation...

    ...new in town?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    'What is the best qualification to teach English as a Second Language?' is a very good question
    I would suggest the ability to understand the students needs and adapt ones "teaching methods" to suit. To speak and write polite English clearly, no overbearing accents or elaborate fonts.

    A rice farmer's son or daughter has very different needs than say an older banker and have different vocabulary requirements. Some government employees will come into contact with foreigners and as most foreigners will have rudimentary English skills it is currently the chosen standard. In all my dealings with Thai and foreign government offices English is the one language where there is always an officer available.

    Of course the standard varies but that is to be expected and is allowed for by the polite, native English, speaker.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...Number 1: the Thai-Chinese have that language requirement well in hand...
    ...Number 2: as suggested by Thainess, no second language is needed in the swamp...
    ...Number 3: Number 2 happens elsewhere and bears no relation to or influence on the local situation...
    No.1 You may be correct looking forward. I suggest that English will remain for some time yet.

    No.2 Some of the local "swamp dwellers", 30%+, have aspirations for their children. Although not living in a swamp, I can assure you the educated parents understand the need for foreign languages skills and in my local government and private schools, English is the established first foreign language, Por 1 to Mor 6, with Chinese as you suggest catching on fast in Mor 1 to Mor 6.

    No.3 I would suggest the "local situation" in Thailand is determined by the Thai Government education department. As such they, the schools, will follow the ASEAN and Thai government directives. Which currently state that English is the common language for inter ASEAN political, business and possibly legal, communications. Which may or not change in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...new in town?...
    I would not call where I live a town, more a long established village, but only 6 plus years so yes, a newbie.

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    What makes a good English teacher?
    - The hability to break down English language into rules that can be understood/implemented by students. Being a native speaker isn't necessary good/enough, AFAIK they didn't learn their own language this way (i.e English is not taught this way at schools in UK)...so the need to pass TEFL courses, even more so for native speakers.
    - teaching and communication skills, to be able to pass on those rules to students and also to develop their speaking skills (oral fluency)
    - "arouse" them to the point they might want to learn for themselves not for the grades...like being able to read/watch English content either for entertainment (movies, series, games) or work/self-improvement (tutorials, technical documentation, courses more readily available in English than in Thai)

    English is too often dismissed even by teachers or school staff...it looks like an accessory skill, nice to have it but not expected nor really useful in Thailand daily life, even in a professional environment (unless they work in a foreign related sector : import/export, tourism, industry were the common language is English (documentation more easily available in English etc) ...eg IT, mechanical engineering like aircraft....where you can't wait too long to get Thai translation or the content will already be obsolete)

    Poor English skills is a reason for the success of poor contents in Thai media (ex Thai soaps Vs foreign series, but it applies also to movies, news, academic contents)...I know one who was astonished by the "quality" gap and turned exclusively to English content after realising how dumb some Thai productions were...

    But Prayuth told them Thai could be the new English in a decade or so...hence why bother ?

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    Now this kid has some serious talent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Now this kid has some serious talent
    It proves perfectly how the brain of small kids is powerful. Everybody can experience that in the 2-languages families if the parents really speak to the kids in different languages - each in his own mother language.

    And the kid never makes a mistake when speaking to the parent by the parent's own language, not of the other.

    Getting the languages free of charge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    But with a hint of Hindi interference.



    "I arouse my students"

    Let's put that down to a technical knowledge of English rather than native, and not mention it again. Good for him I say, obviously quite passionate about his job.
    Lets put your response down to not knowing any better. You confuse "native" with "common". A subtle difference that you're incapable of discerning. As a commoner, you know common English.
    Lets leave it at that and "nobody will be none the wiser"

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    And he's off again.


    Yeah, 'I arouse my students'.... You're either very, very stupid. Or have no idea what a native English speaking teacher would say.



    I'm going with both.

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    Since Nevernice persists w/ behaving (per usual) like an obnoxious little ,...pattern,...in my regard,....here's a fun-poking update to TB's previous posts.

    FYI ~ A Thai can legally become a multi-millionaire (by both British and U.S. standards) while speaking Mandarin (only) as a second language.
    Now,...put that ^ fact into your arrogant "knowledge"-gathering pipe(s),...and have a toke. Thus,...have a nice person's day,...for a change,...eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Lets put your response down to not knowing any better. You confuse "native" with "common". A subtle difference that you're incapable of discerning. As a commoner, you know common English.
    Lets leave it at that and "nobody will be none the wiser"
    A truly excellent ^ response!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    A Thai can legally become a multi-millionaire (by both British and U.S. standards) while speaking Mandarin (only) as a second language
    ...while radishes grow best in lightly manured soil...earth, huh? Ya gotta love it...

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    Oh Lord. I sense an edit coming to a BennyBoy post soon.

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    Those who cannot do teach, those who cannot teach, teach English in foreign countries as they are less likely to be found out as fuking useless. Several on here are fine examples, would never hold down a teaching job in their own countries, but here they can fool people and look as if they know and care about what they are paid to do.

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    I agree. I worked with and met many so-called teachers who had no interest in teaching English properly. It is essential that an English teacher should have an understanding of the English language and this is achieved by reading and writing over the course of a lifetime and is not something which is bestowed upon an individual by attending a TEFL course. Certainly, not the Mickey Mouse courses which run in Thailand.

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    It's a wonderful world.

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    The Thai's themselves make fun of the way English is taught in Thai schools "By Thai Teachers". This is a funny but very real skit done by a well known comedy troop here in Thailand. Pronunciation is the topic of the day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly94 View Post
    Those who cannot do teach, those who cannot teach, teach English in foreign countries as they are less likely to be found out as fuking useless. Several on here are fine examples, would never hold down a teaching job in their own countries, but here they can fool people and look as if they know and care about what they are paid to do.
    Actually, many of those TEFLers are quite well-educated people. The TEFLer lifestyle simply provides a globetrotting platform for young graduates,

    who can enjoy affordable, multiple expat venues, while paying off their student loans (back-home), in 5-7, rather than 20 years. Way to go, TEFLers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Oh Lord. I sense an edit coming to a BennyBoy post soon.
    A compliment from the obnoxious Bad Penny grandstander,...herself ^,...eh? It's Benny a looong time since someone referred to the likes of meself,...as being a Boy. Thank you.

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