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    97 foreigners held in visa crackdown

    Khon Kaen
    Ninety-seven foreigners had been arrested in the northeast for overstaying their visas or working illegally, Immigration Police acting regional director Maj General Natthawat Kandee told a press conference on Thursday.

    Some had stayed illegally in Thailand for over a decade, he said, warning employers of serious punishments for hiring illegally.


    Under Operation Zero Overstay, police on Wednesday searched Nong Khai, Ubon Ratchathani, Mukdahan, Nakhon Phanom, Loei, Si Sa Ket, Nakhon Ratchasima, Surin, Bung Kan, Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Sakhon Nakhon, Amnat Charoen, Roi Et, Maha Sarakham, Chaiyaphum and Buri Ram.


    Those detained were mostly Indian, Laotian, Cambodian and Vietnamese with 27 overstaying their visas and 43 entering illegally. Nine worked without permission and two had not notified the authorities about their accommodation.


    Police also charged 13 Thai homeowners for failing to notify the authorities about foreigners staying with them and three employers for taking on staff illegally, he added.


    Natthawat said immigration police were also partially to blame for not performing proper checks.


    He said crackdowns would continue periodically until they achieved Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan's goal of expelling all overstaying foreigners.


    He said overstaying foreigners, once off the authorities' radar, were more likely to commit crimes such as fraud.

    97 foreigners held in visa crackdown

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    So no pinkies then?

    Jeff will be pissed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan
    the voyeur - all he said was " i just wanna watch "

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    two had not notified the authorities about their accommodation.
    I thought it was the responsibility of the landlord to notify immigration of a foreigner staying by way of a TM 30?

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    ^ Failed to do the 90 days reporting, perhaps.

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    Probably missed their 90 day report. They got 13 homeowners for not filing the TM30s.


    "Natthawat said immigration police were also partially to blame for not performing proper checks." that statements gonna make him real popular.

    "He said crackdowns would continue periodically until they achieved Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan's goal of expelling all overstaying foreigners." Read that as forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    expelling all overstaying foreigners
    As long as he doesn't clamp down on corruption within his force then it means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    As long as he doesn't clamp down on corruption within his force then it means nothing.
    Agreed, but, corruption exists everywhere, defining it is subjective, when does a tip become a bribe, when does helping someone out, become preferential treatment, is buying someone lunch, seeking a favor, overt bribery be it a small brown envelope or a large paper bag, well, how do you "fix" something that is pretty much accepted on a small scale but chastised on a large scale?

    Zero Tolerance?... is it in fact an achievable goal?

    As far as "cracking down" alls that does is moves it into back rooms and alleyways. As long as people are people greed will exist, and well...

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    Reward for genuine help is different to demanding money to perform the job they are already paid for...they should draw the line there.

    Pb is they are tempted to make the process overly difficult so that customers may need help from them (tip required) or by using an agent who will need to share part of his profit with the IO.

    I think they might raise/create fees to compensate the loss of income...but as it would be official and you'd get a receipt it would be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Agreed, but, corruption exists everywhere, defining it is subjective, when does a tip become a bribe, when does helping someone out, become preferential treatment, is buying someone lunch, seeking a favor, overt bribery be it a small brown envelope or a large paper bag, well, how do you "fix" something that is pretty much accepted on a small scale but chastised on a large scale?
    Reverse it?

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    General comments on "corruption" blatant extortion - easy to see, easy to identify, easy to stop, and, far to often overlooked and/or accepted.

    Generally, in my experience, corruption in the form of blatant extortion is hidden, I know it exists, but, the players are smart enough to keep it out of harms way i.e. where it won't be seen, reported or stopped. They certainly aren't gonna risk being tried for "being unusually wealthy" or any other such verbiage - even if they are not convicted, their gravy train stops.

    For the most part - the uhm... so called "corruption" I've see is in the form "expediting" the inconvenience, i.e. recent example Bangkok Bank Branch two tellers, ten - fifteen customers waiting with numbers, one teller - processing a visa company rep who carried about fifteen, bankbooks - getting all the bankbooks updated and with bank letters. It was quite apparent that this wasn't the first time this occurred. He's sitting there playing games on his iPhone while the teller processed the bankbooks and letters. 45 minutes and counting. I, of course, was in the queue, being serviced by the single teller available.

    So, does this fill the definition of "corruption"? One example of many, have watched many similar, episodes of "preferential" treatments, people walking in, bypassing lines, dropping off, or picking up, paperwork of one type or another, seen it at Embassies, LTO's, District Offices, and, various other businesses, not blatant, but, you know whats going on, as does everybody else. and, generally accepted.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, the Thai's are getting fed up with it, road rage incidents, the blocked driveway ax lady, etc. The fairly recent advent of digital photography and the prevalence of cameras are impacting corruption - in a good way. To sum it up, it is getting better, twenty-five years ago the plain brown envelopes were often passed in plain sight - not so much today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Agreed, but, corruption exists everywhere, defining it is subjective, when does a tip become a bribe
    When they don't (or should I say won't) do their fucking job properly without it.

    Easy innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    When they don't (or should I say won't) do their fucking job properly without it.
    Yup, that's pretty simplistic, but, with 25 plus years of dealing with this country and it's bureaucracy, I've yet to run into a specific situation as you've described. I have run into several situations where I had to speed things along by "badgering" individuals who were pretty obviously looking for an easy incentive, of course, once they realize all that their desired incentive just ain't gonna happen easily, they usually decide to do their job, albeit in a somewhat haphazard fashion. When you draw "attention" to your situation, well, the situation tends to become more manageable.

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    ...signs are up all over CW immigration warning against "tipping" personnel for free immigration services...of course, that didn't prevent the motocy guys jumping the line to drop off passports with certain immi officers or high-heeled secretaries toting a half dozen passports to 90-day check-in...bribery is the backbone of Thainess...
    Majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...signs are up all over CW immigration warning against "tipping" personnel for free immigration services...of course, that didn't prevent the motocy guys jumping the line to drop off passports with certain immi officers or high-heeled secretaries toting a half dozen passports to 90-day check-in...bribery is the backbone of Thainess...

    Goes back to prags statement "As long as he doesn't clamp down on corruption within his force then it means nothing." The situation you described is out in the open. In their faces, and, they don't bat an eye... as per my wife "it's always been this way" which means it is expected.

    The real question in all of this is will Maj Gen Natthawat follow through on this (DPM Wongsuwan's goal). It's obvious he was provided with instructions or orders concerning this "Operation Zero Overstay" and he did say crackdowns will continue "periodically". How so will periodically manifest itself, monthly, quarterly, annually...

    Anyway, all yet to be seen. The only thing to take out of all this is to "stay legit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    When they don't (or should I say won't) do their fucking job properly without it.

    Easy innit.
    Or in the case of cops when they don't do their job properly, with it.

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