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    Thanks PAG.

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    A large part of surviving at sea is knowing how to breathe when waves break over you, and panicking Chinese are not likely to be able to do that. Ever seen how some young learners appear retarded, the way they cough, splutter and wipe the water out of their eyes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    As for life jackets? Badly designed?
    ...made in China, purchased cheaply to save money, importer returns to Fujian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Who gives a shit about an ex-squaddie pissing about in tubs.

    I was appalled that you posted pictures of the corpses like some scummy Thai ghoul. But some dickhead sought to delete the post - bum chum of yours?

    Anyway, back on topic, they all died because none of them could swim and panicked when they discovered their flotation aids were fucking useless.

    Chinese are now learning to respect the dangers of a Thai holiday.
    Never been to China, but happy to take my precarious chances here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...made in China, purchased cheaply to save money, importer returns to Fujian...
    The responsibility to provide a useful device to enable anyone thrown into the water rests with the boat owner. The boat owner must provide local government approved devices.

    The blame, if the devices are inadequate rests, with the boat owner not the supplier, irrespective of where they were supplied from.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The boat owner must provide local government approved devices.
    Oh FFS, are you for real?



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    5 more bodies in Phuket boat accident victims found, 18 still missing

    The bodies of five more victims of the Phoenix dive boat incident were found today in the sea off Phuket by rescue workers, raising the death toll to 38.



    The boat capsized in rough seas between Koh Heh and Koh Mai Thon islands on Thursday. The bodies of one female and four males, two of them young boys, were recovered from the sea by a team of divers in the search and rescue operation. They were later transferred to navy boat HTMS Hua Hin.


    Eighteen Phoenix boat passengers were still missing. Divers were continuing to scour the the wreckage of the boat, believing that some of them were still trapped inside.



    5 more bodies in Phuket boat accident victims found, 18 still missing - Thai PBS English News

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    I have read quite a few news articles on this event. I never saw mention of any of the crew dying. Was it only passengers who perished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Yep. Faulty brakes or unpredicatable weather.
    Three things strike me from the pics: The sea doesn't look that bad at all. Everyone had life vests on indicating that they were warned that calamity was nigh. How did they still drown with life jackets on?
    i was going to post that... every body has a jacket on...im thinking the jackets are fucking usless..isnt the front supposed to float higher than the back

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    Crew are probably more experienced and also on higher alert to safety deficiencies than their inconsequential passengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lob View Post
    i was going to post that... every body has a jacket on...im thinking the jackets are fucking usless..isnt the front supposed to float higher than the back
    Someone earlier explained the difference between a cheapo buoyancy aid which could leave the user face down, and a proper life jacket that flips user on back and supports the head which is useful if incapacitated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Crew are probably more experienced and also on higher alert to safety deficiencies than their inconsequential passengers.
    Succintly and accurately put.

    I'd green you if I had any left.

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    And soon 13 dead in a cave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Crew are probably more experienced and also on higher alert to safety deficiencies than their inconsequential passengers.
    And, being boatmen, can probably swim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    And, being boatmen, can probably swim.
    Actually, a large % of boatmen and fishermen cannot swim, especially in primitive cultures that base their actions and behaviour on superstition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Someone earlier explained the difference between a cheapo buoyancy aid which could leave the user face down, and a proper life jacket that flips user on back and supports the head which is useful if incapacitated.
    For fuck's sakes, are you people terminally stupid or what.

    They were NOT life jackets, they're flotation aids. The operative word there is "AID". If you cannot swim, as most if not all of the Chinese victims who drowned could not, and are adrift in heavy seas in total fucking darkness then they are no fucking use in saving your life. Which is why everyone has died irrespective of age or gender.


    Jesus H Christ. Are you people for fucking real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Actually, a large % of boatmen and fishermen cannot swim, especially in primitive cultures that base their actions and behaviour on superstition.
    News to me. We're talking Thai culture here, of course. Cold climate boatmen and crocodile-infested river boatmen maybe not so much, understandably.

    I recall a boat cruise out from Koh Chang to some islands and reefs. I found it quite impressive swimming with the Thai crew and free diving..they could go as deep as me, though they didn't exceed that.

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    Phuket boat toll increases, search operations continue

    PHUKET, 8th July 2018 (NNT) - The Sea Rescue Command Center of Phuket Province, reports that three more bodies from a boat accident on Thursday have been recovered, with 15 passengers still missing.

    The number of confirmed deaths has reached 41. Ill-fated tour boats, Phoenix, which carried 105 passengers and Senerita, which was carrying 39 passengers sank in a storm off Phuket on 5th July. All of the passengers and crew on the Senerita were rescued.

    Pol Lt Gen Sorasak Yenprem, commander of Provincial Police Region 8 says the Phoenix’s captain Somjing Boontham has been charged with reckless conduct leading to deaths and injuries. The Senerita’s captain, Metha Limsakul has been charged with reckless conduct causing physical and mental harm to others. Mr Metha has denied the charges.

    Pol Lt Gen Sorasak reveals that investigations into the accidents have started but might take quite some time, since there are many victims and most of the casualties are foreigners. The Royal Thai Police has assigned Provincial Police Region 8 to support the search operations and related tasks with its manpower and equipment.

    Head of Phuket Provincial Public Health Office, Dr Jirapan Taepan disclosed today that 12 of 33 bodies retrieved from the Phoenix on 5th and 6th July have been identified with the help of forensic police and dental records examined at the Police Hospital.

    To obtain the victims’ bodies, families of the dead are required to contact relevant agencies, including the Phuket Consular Office of the Consulate General of The People's Republic of China, Vachira Phuket Hospital and Muang Phuket Office using copies of the deceased person’s passports.

    The search and body identification operations are ongoing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    For fuck's sakes, are you people terminally stupid or what.

    They were NOT life jackets, they're flotation aids. The operative word there is "AID". If you cannot swim, as most if not all of the Chinese victims who drowned could not, and are adrift in heavy seas in total fucking darkness then they are no fucking use in saving your life. Which is why everyone has died irrespective of age or gender.


    Jesus H Christ. Are you people for fucking real.
    Congrats, you've soared way beyond expectations, which assumes you read what you posted and also what you quoted.


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    Boat tragedy ?unlikely to hamper tourism?

    Boat tragedy ‘unlikely to hamper tourism’

    Tourism July 09, 2018 11:38
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    Thank god for that, It has been my biggest concern regarding the tragedy....

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    Govt to expand investigation into legitimacy of boat operators

    BANGKOK, 9 July 2018 (NNT) - Thailand's Ministry of Commerce will launch an investigation into the two operators of the capsized tour boat to determine whether they are illegally owned by foreign entities.

    Director-General of the Department of Business Development, Kulanee Issadisai, revealed that both companies in question are legally incorporated and are conducting business in accordance to their stated purpose.

    However, she said her department will visit Phuket, along with relevant agencies such as the Tourism Police, the Department of Tourism, the Revenue Department, the Anti-Money Laundering Office and local agencies, to expand on the investigation of the two companies to determine whether they are owned illegally by foreign entities. If found in violation of business statutes, the foreign owners and Thai nominees will be subject to imprisonment for no longer than three years, a fine between 100,000 to one million baht, or both. Failure to comply with a court order is punishable by a fine of between 10,000 and 50,000 baht per day of the outstanding violation.

    Kulanee blamed the capsize on a failure to comply with government regulations and lack of concern for tourist safety. She urged businesses to follow the guidelines of relevant state agencies strictly, in order to mitigate any damage caused by unexpected events.



    National News Bureau Of Thailand | Govt to expand investigation into legitimacy of boat operators

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    Hearing that the operator was a Chinese company using local nominees. The owner having already fled Thailand

    The script has already been written. It’s so well rehearsed already

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    Simple arithmetic: money earned by overloading boats + money not squandered on passenger safety + money saved by neglecting maintenance/servicing/repairs > compensation + bribes.

    QED, make lots of noise whenever a Thai tourist boat sinks, but nothing will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post
    Hearing that the operator was a Chinese company
    From whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    From whom?
    Oh FFS our resident apologist is squealing again.

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