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    Watching the reports on Western media (it's the feel-good story worldwide today) and it's very obvious now that getting them out of there is going to be a major hurdle. They'll get them out eventually one way or another the experts are saying, but it's not just a matter of giving them a crash course in Scuba and heading for safety. I still can't believe they were all found safe and sound, incredible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    I really an amazed at some of the stupid comments on this topic particularly by those who take every opportunity to slag off at Thailand.

    An update: There is now a doctor with them, an expert in rescue medicine and an experienced SCUBA diver who has given them all a health check, they have been given food that was prepared and ready at the advanced base set up at a high point 3km into the cave, they have lights and clothing packs prepared by their parents.

    All involved have done a fantastic job of finding these kids without major injury or death, it has been an extremely difficult and dangerous job and while the objecting was always finding the kids safety must be the top priority,a dead rescuer finds nothing. The coach with the kids has also done a great job keeping them alive and expecting rescue.

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    While it was the British team that reached the kids first that is only coincidental as there would have been probably 8 actual rescue teams of 3 or 4 of the most experienced divers in each rotated in shifts around the clock with all the other divers divided into back-up teams with the army backing them up as porters, cooks and other support.

    The job now is to get them out safely:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gen...ost_recent_box
    Your loyaty is admirable.
    Much of the cynicism towards the Thai efforts are well-founded. Take a look at your chart; Well over 2000 Thai personell deployed (talk about overkill!), lots of stuffed shirts amongst them, the Govenor for one claiming Thai Navy Seals found the boys. It was no coincidence it was the Brits. They weren't deep diving requiring lots of surface time between dives. One bit of credit is to the Thai Navy Seal commander for seeing the sense of letting the experts go in.
    Do you think the water pumping excersise would have been as good if not for the Japanese experts?
    How long was it before this crisis hit world headlines and THEN overseas volunteers offered assistance? Do you think the Thai authorities thought to swallow their pride and ask for assistance right from the start? No, instead the earliest comments from Thai authorities were remarks such as "I'm optimistic. It will only be a day or two", "Think of Thailand's reputation" etc. In the first few days it was just lots of cops, local authorities, and "medics" (with their 8 hours total training), pumping water from downstream instead of finding the source and diverting it!!! Dangerously inept.
    I daresay 1900 of the Thai personell were not deployed until AFTER it all hit world headlines and Thailand's reputation was at stake so send in as many people as can fit in the area and 9 helicopters should help make it look as if we're doing something.
    Forgive my cynicism, but when I see every week in the news how inept the Thai medics and police are, how pompous and all talk the authorities are, and how slow they are to come up with actual workable good ideas to solve problems, I will call it how I see it.

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    Only a Thai could take 12 kids in flip flops, who can neither dive nor swim, into a cave system with no equipment in the RAINY season. That guy needs to be arrested the moment he gets out, and if anyone dies charged with man slaughter.

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    Wow, they're saying it may be months before they can get out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...b0c089ab2b9550

    What we know so far
    The military are sending in food provisions to last the boys and their football coach more than four months, as well as medication.
    Various options are being explored including teaching the boys – none of whom know how to swim – to dive or waiting for the water to subside, which could take months.
    The Chiang Rai governor Narongsak Osottanakorn told reporters they were looking at all options, but “I don’t think they will be home soon.”
    A medical team has been sent in to assess the health of the trapped boys and their coach and reported back that they are all in good health or having only “light” injuries.
    Cave rescue experts have warned that any attempts to remove the boys while waters remain high could be “unbelievably dangerous” for the boys and their rescuers, given the conditions.
    News that the group has been found safe has been met with jubilation across Thailand, where news of the search is trending on Twitter.
    The young football team, made up of 12 boys aged between 11 and 16, and their coach went missing on Saturday 23 June, after monsoon rains trapped them inside the Tham Luang cave network.
    They were found on Monday night after a nine-day round-the-clock search involving international teams of divers.
    Footage of the group, shot by the British divers who reached them first, showed the boys and their coach huddled on a ledge surrounded by water. They said they were hungry and asked what day it was and if they could leave.
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    They have been found, not saved yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    How long was it before this crisis hit world headlines and THEN overseas volunteers offered assistance?
    I think they were lucky that there was a Brit guy living in Chiang Rai, who knew who to call. Other than Ghost Busters!

    I was concerned they had been sidelined as they didn't arrive wearing uniforms of colonel or above and as such were nobody.





    Maybe when they suited up the locals realized what they were?

    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
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    Great news, no further comment as most have been said by fellow members.
    Yes found but not yet saved but it must be a relief for the boys and their families.
    Kudos to the British team who was able to reach them first.

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    "“This event demonstrates unity of people in the country. They will succeed in whatever they are determined to do under His Graciousness of King Rama X."
    Good on ya PM, credit where credit is due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    I think they were lucky that there was a Brit guy living in Chiang Rai, who knew who to call. Other than Ghost Busters!

    I was concerned they had been sidelined as they didn't arrive wearing uniforms of colonel or above and as such were nobody.
    Yes and yes. That's why I mentioned in a post above that I'd love to see their reports, both official and unofficial.

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    Perhaps the US and Thai seals need a new name?

    US Waterwings?

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    Best news I've heard since the wife told me she was running off with the milkman.

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    My wife was just telling me about the first contact where one of the children asked the diver where he came from. He said England. One of the other children said "Oh My god we've gone to far we are stuck in England!

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    Maanaam ^^^^ thats the quote that made me post it.

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    My patience is running out with the idiots on here who obviously have no idea what has been going on for the past week they seem to think the Brits walked in jumped in the water and found the kids.

    Not so, they just happened to be the team whoes turn it was to lead at the time.

    Their presence and advice would have been invaluable and gratefully received as they were the only ones who had dived and probably mapped the cave previously but they could do nothing on their own.

    When they arrived here were already fixed lines into and beyond the forward operations base which is over 3km into the cave and was fully stocked with full tanks and everything the divers could need. As a full tank of air will only last around 1 hour in good conditions and much less in the cave to get to that base a diver would need at least 3 full tanks which were being constantly ferried into the cave with the empties being taken for refill, these would have been staged along the fixed lines so a diver could change tanks and continue without having to return for more air.
    It should be noted that the rout is not all underwater which means divers could get their heads out of the water in places to save air and probably be able to change tanks in air pockets where back-up crews would be stationed.

    Before the fixed line stage was reached it would of been a matter of the navy divers having to find their way into a cave they have never been in before with no experience in cave diving, against strong currents and with only maps drawn in dry conditions to go by. It would have been a matter of feeling their way along the walls, floor or ceiling in zero visibility with only about 20min forward air time on each dive. They would have been very lucky to have made 200-300m in that time probably much less.

    I have done a fair bit of SCUBA and been in zero vis a couple of times although never in a cave so I can imagine what these divers were contending with. Even a powerful torch is of little help as the particles in the water block the light to the extent you cant see your outstretched hand it is even very difficult to tell which way is up. Because of that I have followed this from the start reading every report I can find.

    The pumps were in place before the Japs arrived.

    The Governor has done a fantastic job coordinating the whole thing.

    A fairly new report:


    Thailand cave rescue: What now for the boys?

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    Bill Whitehouse, the vice chairman of the British Cave Rescue Council, told the Today programme that the British drivers who reached the trapped children and coach had to dive against the current, at times having to drag themselves along the walls.


    The round-trip to reach those trapped was around three hours, he said.


    Attempts to get the children and coach to become proficient enough in scuba diving to escape the cave will "certainly not (be) easy".


    Another option, Mr Whitehouse said, would be to "package" the children and coach. This would see the 13 people be kitted up with weights and other equipment which would allow the divers to drag them out of the cave.
    https://news.sky.com/story/live-miss...-cave-11424542

    Had wondered how long the the trip took, so about 1 1/2 hrs one way for experienced dive experts.

    Given that some reportedly can't swim, I hope there are trained international experts hanging around and leading the way when it comes to taking them out.

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    It's far from over but at least they now have a fighting chance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ball-team-live

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    Now they have been located, what about drilling down to them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Now they have been located, what about drilling down to them ?
    Cracking idea, and drop a load of rock on top of them.

    Being flat, they will be easier to get out, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's far from over but at least they now have a fighting chance.
    You'd like to think they've got more than a fighting chance and are 100% guaranteed to get to safety eventually. I guess they can stay where they are and have food/water/fresh air delivered to them indefinitely, then simply walk out eventually when the caves dry out seeing as they walked in!.

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    Ok....how large is the area in which they are perched ? If it's large enough, drilling could be done right up one end.....away from them.

    And how far down from the surface are they ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Ok....how large is the area in which they are perched ? If it's large enough, drilling could be done right up one end.....away from them.

    And how far down from the surface are they ?
    I'm sure they are exploring all options. No doubt they are scouring this thread for suggestions such as yours.

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    Good question about how safe they are from being flooded with more monsoons. It didn't look like they had that much space above them in their current chamber. Would be interesting to know that info.


    Drilling down is an option on the table, getting the right equipment to the exact spot (correctly) has been mentioned as a difficulty. One would hope that they would drill down to a nearby chamber, and not the one they're in.

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    ...the boys' only hope is that bts engineers don't get the drilling job...

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