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    Thousands Protest in Vietnam Over Proposed SEZ Concessions

    Thousands turned out in major Vietnamese cities on Sunday and Monday to protest government plans to grant long-term leases for foreign companies operating in special economic zones (SEZs), prompting clashes with police that saw demonstrators beaten and an unknown number detained, sources in the country said.

    The rare public protests saw dozens taken into custody in Saigon, with some assaulted by police, one protester, a member of Vietnam’s Unified Buddhist Church, told RFA’s Vietnamese Service on June 10.

    “We were protesting peacefully and didn’t incite anyone,” Huynh Tuan Tuyen said. “But they grabbed me and pushed me onto a bus on Le Duan Street, with five or six policemen beating me the whole time.”

    “Then they grabbed more people and put them onto the bus,” he said.

    “But I took a chance and kicked open the back door of the bus and jumped out,” Huynh said, adding that he then joined the protest for another 20 minutes before leaving to go to a hospital in Vung Tao for stitches to his injured mouth.

    “Some of my teeth were broken, and I was bleeding a lot,” he said.

    Clashes and dozens of detentions were also reported in Vietnam’s capital Hanoi, with protests in both cities also targeting a new government-proposed law on cybersecurity, Vietnamese sources said.

    Meanwhile, in Nha Trang city in south-central Vietnam’s coastal Khanh Hoa province, thousands took to the streets on June 10 to protest the government’s plans amid fears that leases for periods as long as 99 years could go to Chinese-owned and operated firms.

    “I love my country, and I have no reactionary motivations,” one protester, Bao Vinh told RFA. “I only want to voice my concerns and express how upset I am.”

    “I’m raising my voice for Vietnam. If we lose our country, we won’t be able to live in peace,” he said.


    'We can't accept this law'

    Thousands of workers at the Taiwan-owned Pou Yuen footware company meanwhile went on strike on Monday to protest Vietnam’s proposed law granting concessions for SEZs in Vietnam’s central coastal Khanh Hoa province, in Quang Ninh in the country’s northeast, and in Phu Quoc, a Vietnamese island in the Gulf of Thailand.

    “We can’t accept this law, and we won’t go back to work unless the government annuls it,” one female worker said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    “We don’t want to give any of our land away to China, not even for one day,” she said.

    Tensions have grown between Vietnam and China in recent years following clashes over fishing rights in the South China Sea, called the East Sea by Vietnam, and China’s takeover of island groups claimed by both countries

    Vietnamese police routinely break up anti-China protests marking the anniversaries of the takeovers of the Spratly and Paracel islands and detain demonstrators.

    In a surprise move on Monday, Vietnam’s national assembly postponed approval of the proposed law on SEZs, according to a June 11 report by Agence France-Presse.

    In a statement Monday, national assembly chairwoman Nguyen Thi Kim Ngan called on protesters to remain calm and trust in decisions made by Vietnam’s government and ruling Communist Party, sources in Vietnam said.

    “Regrettably, the substance of this issue has not been appropriately understood by the people, and misunderstanding has led to extreme acts.”

    “It is not impossible that the people’s patriotic feelings are being used to create [harmful] impacts to the social order,” Nguyen said.


    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vie...018161528.html

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    national assembly chairwoman Nguyen Thi Kim Ngan called on protesters to remain calm and trust in decisions made by Vietnam’s government and ruling Communist Party
    Because they can be trusted oh yes.


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    Thank you for posting the latest news update, regarding internal Vietnamese politics,...............misskit.

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    Russian companies are taking over Vietnam,

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    foreign companies operating in special economic zones (SEZs),
    That's what in Thailand fairs many decades under BOI, bringing the population of the poor areas to the easy provinces with foreign investments - not vice versa... (but who cares?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    That's what in Thailand fairs many decades under BOI, bringing the population of the poor areas to the easy provinces with foreign investments - not vice versa... (but who cares?)
    My pointed head is having difficulty understanding precisely what you're conveying. Can you kindly indulge me w/ a rewrite, please? Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Russian companies are taking over Vietnam,
    Can you cite a few debatable examples, to substantiate your claim? Thanks .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    Can you cite a few debatable examples, to substantiate your claim? Thanks .
    He can't.
    Makes shit up, as many do here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    He can't.
    Makes shit up, as many do here.
    Ok, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    My pointed head is having difficulty understanding precisely what you're conveying. Can you kindly indulge me w/ a rewrite, please? Thanks,
    Specially for you: There are thousands industries of heavy investments on the Eastern Seaboard and around - roughly the area starting in Bangna via Pattaya up to Rayong - most of them running under status of BOI (haven't you googled?). So these companies - many of them would not be nowadays allowed in Europe and else, destroying the precious tourist seaboard Thailand is so proud on - are enjoying special tax incentives, despite getting their input material from the port so close to them and shipping their products by the port so close to them.

    Unlike if they would invest up country what would also distribute the labor demand in the areas of no job opportunities. So the labour has to be brought from the poor areas over thousands km to the priviledged companies, i.e. something like working camps, not very properous for the country and their population.

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    klondyke may i ask from where u hail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    Can you cite a few debatable examples, to substantiate your claim? Thanks .
    you think they advertise it on Google or Facebook

    the FSB has the Vietnamese PM in their hand, and they have put a lot of money in the country, "seizing" land etc...

    they built a few giant condos with a helipad in the middle of the historical district

    anyone who have been to Vietnam and investigate a bit the political situation and have people in the know in the administration would tell you the same

    for tourists, it's just another pretty SE Asian peaceful shithole

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    US Lawmakers Call For Release of American Citizen Detained in Vietnam

    A group of U.S. congressmen called the ambassador to Vietnam on Friday to express serious concern over the arrest of an American citizen detained by Vietnamese authorities for attending a weekend protest in Ho Chi Minh City that turned violent.


    Congressmen Alan Lowenthal (D-Calif.), Jimmy Gomez (D-Calif.), and Lou Correa (D-Calif.) spoke with Ambassador Dan Kritenbrink and called on the Vietnamese government to immediately release William (Will) Ahn Nguyen.


    The 32-year-old graduate student from Houston, Texas, was beaten and arrested for attending what started out as a peaceful demonstration on June 9. He is visiting Vietnam a month before he is scheduled to graduate from a master’s degree program at a university in Singapore.


    Nguyen had tweeted about clashes between protesters and police over government plans to grant long-term leases to foreign companies operating in special economic zones (SEZs), stirring public fears that the leases would go to Chinese-owned firms.


    The Vietnamese government said on Thursday that Nguyen was being detaining on charges of “disturbing public order.”
    “In speaking today with the ambassador, we expressed not only our own serious concerns about the arrest and imprisonment of William, but the concerns of a growing number of congressional members,” said a statement issued by the congressmen after the call.


    “Our main message to the ambassador was that William must be released, and he must be released immediately,” the statement said. “Our expectation is that the U.S. embassy in Vietnam and the U.S. government do whatever [they] can — at the highest levels — to obtain this release.”


    The congressmen also requested that the State Department notify the Vietnamese government that the U.S. expects it to treat Nguyen “well and fairly while in custody.”


    Embassy officials met Nguyen on Thursday and found him to be “in good spirits and recovering well from the physical injuries he received during his arrest,” the statement said.


    A video on social media showed Nguyen with a bloody head during the demonstration.


    But Le Thi Thu Hang, a spokesperson from Vietnam’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said on Thursday that authorities had not used force on Nguyen, Agence France-Presse reported.


    The congressmen said they will contact President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as well as Pham Quang Vinh, Vietnam’s ambassador to the U.S. about getting Nguyen released and about his treatment while in custody.



    ‘We want him home’


    Nguyen’s arrest came two days after the release of Nguyen Van Dai, a prominent Vietnamese rights lawyer and member of the Brotherhood for Democracy, a group he founded in 2013 to defend human rights and promote democratic ideals in Vietnam. Upon his release, Dai was put on a plane to Germany where he was granted asylum.


    On April 5, Dai and five other activists were given lengthy jail sentences for conducting activities aimed at overthrowing the state under Article 79 of Vietnam’s Penal Code. Dai was sentenced to 15 years in prison and five years of house arrest.


    Rights groups had called on the government to drop charges against Dai and the five others.


    “It is in the best interest of the Vietnamese government, and their continuing relations with the U.S., to release William,” the congressmen’s statement said. “The recent praise Hanoi received following the release of activist Nguyen Van Dai should make clear that the international community is watching and will respond accordingly to acts of civility and justice.”


    Nguyen’s family, who contacted the congressmen for help, also called for his immediate release in a statement.
    “We want him home,” the statement said. “His friends want him home. We demand that he immediately be released. And simply just that. This has escalated out of control, and we demand justice.”


    Nguyen’s sister, Victoria Nguyen, spoke with the three U.S lawmakers and others on Capitol Hill on Thursday and told RFA’s Vietnamese Service afterwards: “We just wanted to advocate for him [Nguyen] on his behalf and really just pushed Congress who pushed the Vietnamese government to release him.”


    Of the Vietnamese authorities, she said, “It’s wrong that they instill fear in their citizens when they should be empowering them to make their own decisions in their own lives. That’s the right thing to do.”


    “What I want to tell them to do is just release Will,” she said. “It was unnecessary. It was uncalled for, and they just need to do the right thing and let him go.”


    Meanwhile, Reuters reported that Ho Chi Minh City police issued a prosecution order for Nguyen on Friday.




    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vie...018165948.html

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    China’s potential control over economic zones leads to more protests in Vietnam

    Vietnamese police have arrested eight more people after protests a week ago over a proposed law on special economic zones that protesters fear would fall into the hands of Chinese investors.

    The men from the south central province of Binh Thuan were accused of disturbing public order, opposing officials and damaging state property, the state-run Tuoi Tre newspaper reported.
    Protests against the law took place across the country, including in the southern commercial hub of Ho Chi Minh City where seven people were arrested for allegedly disturbing security and opposing officials.
    Protesters fear the three proposed special economic zones, where land could be rented for up to 99 years, would be dominated by investors from China.


    Anti-China protests in Vietnam set to aggravate tensions with Beijing


    Lawmakers have postponed the passage of the law until October.


    Security on Sunday was tight in many cities and provinces in Vietnam, with a large presence of police in public areas. But in central Ha Tinh province, live-stream footage on Facebook showed thousands of people attending a Sunday mass protesting peacefully against the laws.


    Protesters held signs that said “No leasing land to Chinese communists for even one day” and “Cybersecurity law kills freedom”. Witnesses said there were no clashes with police during the two-hour protest.


    The Vietnamese government has vowed to punish “extremists” it said had instigated rare clashes with police in Binh Thuan province. Protesters hurled bricks and Molotov cocktails at police, damaging some government buildings.


    In a televised session of Vietnam’s National Assembly on Friday, its chairwoman said lawmakers condemned “acts of abusing democracy, distorting the truth” and “causing social disorder”.


    General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong in a talk with Hanoi citizens on Sunday called for people to be calm and trust the Communist Party and the government, state-run radio news website Voice of Vietnam reported.


    Anti-China protests: dozens arrested as Vietnam patriotism spirals into unrest


    Trong said the government was acting in the interests of the nation and its people and no one would be foolish enough to “hand over land to foreigners for them to come and mess things up”.


    Charge d’affaires of the Chinese embassy in Vietnam, Yin Haihong, said on Friday that the cause of this incident was internal affairs in Vietnam and there was no connection with China.


    “However, the incident still has a negative impact on Sino-Vietnamese relations. It is hoped that the Vietnamese side will act in tandem with the Chinese side, and gradually recover from the negative impact of the incident with concrete actions, and make practical efforts for the stable development of Sino-Vietnamese relations,” Yin said in an embassy statement.

    China?s potential control over economic zones leads to more protests in Vietnam | South China Morning Post

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    What’s Really Behind Anti-China Protests in Vietnam?


    "US and European media outlets reported anti-Chinese protests across Vietnam. Claims regarding numbers varied greatly from several hundred to others claiming several thousand. The Western media was particularly careful not to mention the names of any of the individuals or organisations leading the protests.

    The South China Morning Post in its article titled, “Anti-China protests: dozens arrested as Vietnam patriotism spirals into unrest,” would claim:

    People were angry at a draft law that would allow 99-year concessions in planned special economic zones, which some view as sweetheart deals for foreign and specifically Chinese firms.

    Though the Post and others across the Western mainstream media claimed the protests were “peaceful,” they eventually spiralled out of control resulting in assaults on police and vandalism of public buildings.The systematic omission of essential facts and intentional misrepresentation regarding the protests follows the same pattern observed regarding other US-European sponsored unrest around the globe.


    Anti-Chinese Fervour is Pro-American, Not “Nationalist”


    The Post itself would claim the protests took on a “nationalist” tone, yet in the Post’s own article and without an explanation from the Post as to why, American flags could be clearly spotted among the mobs.The few names that were mentioned by the US-European media included well-known so-called “pro-democracy” activists drawn from networks openly supported by Washington, London and Brussels.This included Duong Dai Trieu Lam, mentioned by the Financial Times in its article, “Anti-Chinese protesters take to Vietnam’s streets.” He’s a member of the so-called Vietnamese Bloggers Network which routinely coordinates its anti-government activities with the support of Western embassies.The network was founded by now-jailed opposition figure Nguyen Ngoc Nhu Quynh, also known as “Mother Mushroom.” A Newsweek article titled, “Who is Vietnam’s Mother Mushroom? Blogger Honored by Melania Trump Jailed for Ten Years,” would admit:

    Quynh, a single mother of two, had given interviews to Voice of America and Radio Free Asia, her lawyer Vo An Don said. She founded a network of bloggers in her homeland and has written about deaths in police custody, environmental disasters and human rights.

    She received the Woman of Courage award at the U.S. State Department in March this year, presented by Melania Trump. Vietnam said the award “was not appropriate and of no benefit to the development of the relations between the two countries”, the Guardian reported.

    Other US-European sponsored opposition figures include Nguyen Van Dai who heads the so-called “Brotherhood for Democracy,” another transparently US-funded and directed front aimed at pressuring, destabilising, co-opting and/or overthrowing Vietnam’s political order.Nguyen Van Dai was recently released from prison and exiled from Vietnam.His exile was not the first. There was also blogger Nguyen Hoang Hai, also known as Dieu Cay, who when exiled to the United States, was greeted by supporters waving the yellow and red-striped flag of the now defunct Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), the proxy state created by French colonialists and American invaders during the Vietnam War.His return was covered by US State Department-funded and directed Radio Free Asia’s Vietnamese-language version.Other pro-US/anti-Chinese opposition figures include Le Quoc Quan, who was in fact a US National Endowment for Democracy (NED) fellow. US Congress members and the NED itself wrote passionate pleas for Le Quoc Quan’s release from prison. The NED, in a post on their website titled, “NED Reagan-Fascell Fellow Le Quoc Quan Arrested after Return to Vietnam,” would claim (our emphasis):

    The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is greatly troubled by the arrest in Vietnam of Le Quoc Quan. Le Quoc Quan, a lawyer, has recently been in residence at NED on a congressionally-funded Reagan-Fascell Democracy Fellowship, pursuing independent research on the role of civil society in emerging democracies. He was arrested on March 8 in his hometown in Nghe An province, only 4 days after his return from Washington to Vietnam. At this time, Le Quoc Quan’s whereabouts are unknown, and there are no public charges against him.

    “It is a deep insult to the United States that the Vietnamese regime would harass someone in this way who has just participated in a citizen exchange program supported by the US Congress and Department of State,” said NED President Carl Gershman. “Le Quoc Quan is someone who is optimistic about the future of his country, who is most concerned about improving the lives of his fellow citizens, and who is nothing if not a Vietnamese patriot.”

    Frontline Defenders, a front funded by Western governments and corporate foundations like George Soros’ Open Society, would mention Le Quoc Quan’s anti-Chinese activities, stating that:

    As well as providing legal representation to those who are persecuted for claiming their rights, Le Quoc Quan runs a blog. In this blog he writes about various issues including civil rights, political pluralism and religious freedom. He has also participated in a number of protests against China’s territorial claims in the South China Sea.

    It is clear that Vietnam’s so-called opposition is in no way “nationalist,” and merely opposes Chinese interests in Vietnam because Washington opposes them. By taking US and European funding and carrying out Western directives, they are actively undermining Vietnam’s sovereignty, not upholding it.It is also clear why the US and European media omit mention of opposition leaders even when covering significant events like the recent anti-China street protests. Had the truth been told to international audiences, the opposition’s hypocrisy would be exposed and their legitimacy undermined.

    American Meddling Endangers Vietnam and the Region

    At a time when the US and its European allies make accusations about supposed “Russian interference,” US and European-backed mobs take to the streets in nations like Vietnam, attempting to influence national policy and decision-making, while literally flying US flags. For Hanoi, it must continue its balancing act between Beijing and Washington. But the sort of opposition Washington is cultivating in the streets of Vietnam appears to not only be overtly coercive, but clearly connected to unfinished business dating back to the US invasion and occupation of Vietnam. Hanoi and Beijing have faced off militarily as well, but the threat the US posed and still poses is not a matter of disputed borders between two nations, but Washington’s enduring desire to control all within Vietnam’s borders. Vietnam is not the only nation facing growing US coercion in the form of US-funded and directed opposition movements. Cambodia and Thailand likewise face opposition parties entirely backed by the US and its European allies. US-backed opposition also just assumed power in Malaysia and a US-funded and directed opposition party has already seized power and ruled in Myanmar since 2016.

    US efforts to undermine and overwrite national sovereignty across Southeast Asia includes regional synergies between opposition fronts in each respective nation. It would likely benefit targeted nations to likewise coordinate their activities in countering, diminishing or entirely uprooting foreign-funded and directed networks interfering in the region’s internal political affairs."

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/06/26/whats-really-behind-anti-china-protests-in-vietnam/

    Seems familiar to the Thai "civilians" protest. Funding and support from the same foreign actors. Is there a pattern developing here?

    "US and European-backed mobs take to the streets in nations like Vietnam, attempting to influence national policy and decision-making, while literally flying US flags."

    Ironically the flags are "highly likely" to have been made in China!



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    ^ Your source is the Russian government via Institute of Oriental Studies. They come up with all kinds of conspiracies.

    This is one of my favorites. A diatribe against an airline for showing The Death of Stalin on a flight. Humorless bunch at the NEO Journal.


    On Board British Airways: Enjoy Propaganda and Glorification of Churchill

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/05/16/o...-of-churchill/

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    ^No comment on the content, sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^No comment on the content, sad.
    It's amazing horseshit even by your standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's amazing horseshit even by your standards.
    So you agree with the information posted or refute it?

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