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    US destroyer collides with merchant vessel near Japan

    A US Navy destroyer has collided with a merchant vessel close to Japan with reports of a number of injuries.

    The crash involving the USS Fitzgerald happened 56 nautical miles (103km) south-west of the city of Yokosuka at about 2:30am local time (18:30 BST) on Saturday.

    Japan's public broadcaster, NHK, showed aerial footage of the US ship with heavy damage on one side.

    The US Navy has requested help from the Japanese coastguard.

    One injured sailor is to be evacuated to hospital by the coastguard's helicopter, the navy said.

    In a series of tweets, the US 7th Fleet said the USS Fitzgerald had experienced flooding in some areas, and the extent of injuries was being determined. It said there were no reports of deaths at this time, and the ship was now on its way to Yokosuka.

    It also said the other ship carried a Filipino flag


    US destroyer collides with merchant vessel near Japan - BBC News



    Above mentioned video here https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170617_11/

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    Coast Guard reports 7 US crew missing, 1 injured

    The Japan Coast Guard reports that 7 crew members of the US Aegis destroyer USS Fitzgerald are missing and one is injured following the ship's collision with a Philippine merchant vessel off Shizuoka Prefecture on Saturday morning.

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170617_13/

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    StoreKeeper; Opinions?

    Who gives way, a 29,000 ton vessel or an 8,000 ton vessel?
    Not easy to turn or stop 29,000 tons, vs "We're the US Navy, we don't give way".

    Like the old joke;

    the transcript of an actual radio conversation between a US naval ship and Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. The Radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on Oct. 10, 1995.
    US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

    CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

    US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.

    CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!

    US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA*, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!

    CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    Who gives way, a 29,000 ton vessel or an 8,000 ton vessel?
    At sea size does not matter. A vessal should give to the vessal on it's starboard side.

    In this case ĺl appears neither vessel detected the other. Inexcusable for a Navy destroyer with all the high tech sensors and folks on bridge watch. The Navy captian is looking at serious consequences.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    1 point for RNK...without any missile.

    02:30 in a very busy commercial shipping waterway to Yokosuka and Tokyo Bay.

    RIP to those that may not see another day.

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    Pretty small vessel


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    2am Japan time collision.
    Cargo ship 4 times bigger than USS Fitzgerald
    Catastrophic damage, ship is listing, possible it might sink.
    Update.


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    Note: initial purchase, maintenance , upkeep and repair paid for by Amercican taxpayers. If the naval vessel was found to be in the wrong regarding this accididental collision then then taxpayers will shell out the cost to the commercial container firm for damages and repairs as well.

    ◇ I believe the "death gratuity" benefit is $100,000. In almost every case the families of the injured or deceased USN sailors can not challenge the Navy in a wrongful death or injury suit.
    Last edited by PeeCoffee; 17-06-2017 at 10:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonandson
    possible it might sink
    Doubtful. Can't see damage below water but looks nothing major. Pumps should be able to keep up with amount of water coming in. Damage control teams will be working to repair below water line damage.

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    Perhaps Fawn or Katie was drunk at the wheel on the Flipper vessel?...

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    It is rather ridiculous this crash.

    AIS, Radar, Watch, etc... Just basic seamanship would've avoided all this.

    Then add in all the navy optics & systems... lol.

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    Large container ships have limited maneuverability and cant suddenly turn or stop to avoid anything even if they wanted to.

    In contrast a destroyer is built for maneuverability and can turn or take evasive action very quickly and regardless of which vessel is in a give way position the one which can take evasive action is the one that should. As has been already said the destroyer was packed with gear to detect what was in the vicinity so should have been aware they were on a collision course.

    Liken it to yourself in a small car, do you give way to a big truck or insist on right of way.

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    How could this ever happened !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Just imagine it would have been a terrorist act. Some explosive on the ship and off you go.
    Somebody really screwed up big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    the one which can take evasive action is the one that should.
    Not true. In the likely event of a head on collision both ships are bound by law to both turn starboard. No one has right of way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
    How could this ever happened !!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am astonished also.

    Has to be human error by the Fitzgerald's captain or the person at the helm at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post

    It is rather ridiculous this crash.

    AIS, Radar, Watch, etc... Just basic seamanship would've avoided all this.

    Then add in all the navy optics & systems... lol.

    Fuk me,

    A state of the art American killing machine and the plebs run into another ship ????

    The outcome will be a Captain reamed anally sideways and drummed out of the Service.

    As he should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    the one which can take evasive action is the one that should.
    Not true. In the likely event of a head on collision both ships are bound by law to both turn starboard. No one has right of way.
    And on a large container ship there is a long delay from the time a helm order is given to the time and distance a turn is even started.

    Once again 'the one which can take evasive action is the one that should'

    Not a great deal of point after a collision saying "But we had the right of way" particularly if it could have been avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix
    The outcome will be a Captain reamed anally sideways and drummed out of the Service. As he should be.
    Hung drawn and quartered before the investigation. Tough crowd in today.

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    a very busy commercial shipping waterway to Yokosuka and Tokyo Bay.
    I'm Engineering but in the English channel we used to double the bridge watch keeping.

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    The damage to the US ship is on its right side. The damage to the container ship is on the left front.
    Seems the container ship hit the US ship from right with it's left front. The container ship has right of way according to the link.


    A boat must always be navigated on the starboard side (right) of a river or channel. Each boat alters course to starboard (right) and passes port to port (left). Always assume this situation exists. A boat approaching from your starboard (right) side has right of way.Mar 23, 2017
    https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Collision-regulations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedogsbollix
    A state of the art American killing machine and the plebs run into another ship ????
    Starboard lookout, here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    The damage to the US ship is on its right side. The damage to the container ship is on the left front.
    Seems the container ship hit the US ship from right with it's left front. The container ship has right of way according to the link.


    A boat must always be navigated on the starboard side (right) of a river or channel. Each boat alters course to starboard (right) and passes port to port (left). Always assume this situation exists. A boat approaching from your starboard (right) side has right of way.Mar 23, 2017
    https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Collision-regulations
    Yep.
    Was it US Naval superiority arrogance or something else?

    Had it been me, no matter if I had right of way, and especially if I hadn't, as captain of the manouverable ship, I would not have even come close to a collision. We have to assume the US captain knows full well how a container ship is limited in it's turning or stopping.

    Was it 7 missing or dead? How many died on the Cole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    At sea size does not matter. A vessal should give to the vessal on it's starboard side.
    Although each indivdual situation should be weighed on its merits


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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    At sea size does not matter. A vessal should give to the vessal on it's starboard side.
    Although each indivdual situation should be weighed on its merits

    Indeed, lol. But in your case in point, I believe (though will stand to be corrected) that motor gives way to sail.

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    Hate to speculate but if I were to hazard a guess it's probably going to come down to lack of adequate training/qualification of the Officer of the Deck. Not only will the CO be relieved of command but most likely the XO who is in charge of the shipboard training program.

    Read somewhere the CO had assumed command just over a month ago.

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