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    Thais warned not to eat food before paying first in Japan

    Thai tourists visiting Japan are warned not to taste food on display for sale before paying the prices for the food otherwise they may face arrest on theft charge.

    The warning was issued by The Division of Protection of Thai National Overseas of the Thai Foreign Affairs over an unfortunate incident on July 25 when a Thai national, whose name was not disclosed, was arrested by Japanese security official after he picked up a box of cookies at a souvenir shop in Tokyo Disneyland theme park and ate one of the cookies. He was later handed over to the police to face theft charge.

    At the police station, the Thai defended that he had no intention to steal the cookie. He told the police that, at supermarket in Thailand, shoppers could eat before paying the price to the cashiers.

    However, the Foreign Ministry said that, in Japan, it was a different case. And under the Japanese law, the suspected thief would be held in detention at the police station for ten days pending the investigation and an instruction from the prosecutor whether to proceed with the case or to drop the charge.

    Thais can visit Japan without visas for up to 15 days. And in case, a suspect is held in detention for more than 15 days, he or she will face an additional charge of overstaying in Japan and this may lead to the suspect being banned from visiting Japan for up to one year, said the ministry.

    Thais warned not to eat food before paying first in Japan - Thai PBS English News

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    Even Dickie, Captain defender of my beloved Japan - must call in sick today...

    That sucks!

    No intention to steal, every intention to pay, where is the crime?
    They need to amend that law right smartly. I'm with the Thais on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    under the Japanese law, the suspected thief would be held in detention at the police station for ten days pending the investigation and an instruction from the prosecutor whether to proceed with the case or to drop the charge.
    Japan is sometimes not the happy great place it's reputed to be. 10 days on a mere allegation (especially for a minor or misdemeanor crime) is more than a little excessive, most countries can do it in 3 working days.

    Unless the Thais involved in this were complete idiots, the police and store owner could have saved a lot of people problems by simply saying "pay for the damage and you can leave."

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    I must disagree, Dick. Until it's paid for, it's not his. NZ is the same (but not so harsh)
    If "intend to pay" is a valid excuse, then every shoplifter will be free to take what they want and have a ready excuse if caught.
    Back in my uni days (poor students, as you would know) one of my mate's favourite tricks was to get a pottle of smoked mussels in Pak'n'Save, walk around munching them, then put the empty pottle on a shelf and walk out. The only risky time for him was the half second of disposing the empty container, because back then, munching on your shopping was not frowned upon and so lots of people did it.....but obviously shop owners caught on and it's unlawful to eat your stuff before paying for it now.
    "Trying" a grape is worse because it hasn't been weighed, so you can not claim to be intending to pay for it. Imagine if everybody tried one or two grapes....the shop would lose hundreds of dollars.

    BobR, I agree: "10 days on a mere allegation (especially for a minor or misdemeanor crime) is more than a little excessive, most countries can do it in 3 working days.

    Unless the Thais involved in this were complete idiots, the police and store owner could have saved a lot of people problems by simply saying "pay for the damage and you can leave.""


    Reminds me of an old guy caught with a hand of bananas under his coat. He was escorted to a back room to wait for police, and when they arrived and went in to the room, there were no bananas. No evidence. The guy had eaten them, skins and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I must disagree, Dick. Until it's paid for, it's not his. NZ is the same (but not so harsh)
    If "intend to pay" is a valid excuse, then every shoplifter will be free to take what they want and have a ready excuse if caught.
    Back in my uni days (poor students, as you would know) one of my mate's favourite tricks was to get a pottle of smoked mussels in Pak'n'Save, walk around munching them, then put the empty pottle on a shelf and walk out. The only risky time for him was the half second of disposing the empty container, because back then, munching on your shopping was not frowned upon and so lots of people did it.....but obviously shop owners caught on and it's unlawful to eat your stuff before paying for it now.
    "Trying" a grape is worse because it hasn't been weighed, so you can not claim to be intending to pay for it. Imagine if everybody tried one or two grapes....the shop would lose hundreds of dollars.

    BobR, I agree: "10 days on a mere allegation (especially for a minor or misdemeanor crime) is more than a little excessive, most countries can do it in 3 working days.

    Unless the Thais involved in this were complete idiots, the police and store owner could have saved a lot of people problems by simply saying "pay for the damage and you can leave.""


    Reminds me of an old guy caught with a hand of bananas under his coat. He was escorted to a back room to wait for police, and when they arrived and went in to the room, there were no bananas. No evidence. The guy had eaten them, skins and all
    As a cop in East Los Angeles, I was called to a supermarket several times because Mecxican women with infants had been caught shoplifting baby formula.
    I paid for the infant formula myself, put them in the police car, drove them around the block and released them, both out of pity and because booking the mother and placing the infant in a foster home (which would have been required) was an all day waste of time.

    One time one of the idiot store security people asked me why I wasn;t handcuffing the mother, I answered him "do you want me to handcuff the infant too, asshole?"

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    The Nips are certainly weird but none should fuck with their criminal justice system - the police get a 96% conviction rate. Essentially, yo is arrested, yo is dead meat - bit like being a nigra in, well, wherever in the US of A.

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    "He told the police that, at supermarket in Thailand, shoppers could eat before paying the price to the cashiers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Call View Post
    "He told the police that, at supermarket in Thailand, shoppers could eat before paying the price to the cashiers."
    If I'm thisty, I'll open a drink and drink it in the store, and chuck the empty in the basket. The checkout girl scans it and bins it.

    Do it all the time, never a problem.

    Stupid Nips.

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    Yeah, I agree with 'Arry here; and, I do it all the time (not agree with 'Arry, but...) - shopping, open the drink/food and eat/drink it or half eat/drink it and put it in the basket. The missus has gotten some funny looks in the Korean supermarket, but if it's 36 degrees outside (like today), and you grab a drink while shopping and open it that's normal, imho...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Call View Post
    "He told the police that, at supermarket in Thailand, shoppers could eat before paying the price to the cashiers."

    Don't think that's a rule, just lazy or poorly paid shop staff not wanting the hassle of a confrontation with the potential "until they pay" thief.

    Try eating a donut in 7 eleven before paying.

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    ^ Fair points, Maanaam.

    Still, shoplifting is another matter.. and should only be prosecuted as such - if/when they leave the premises without paying for goods (half consumed, or intact)..

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    But there is no mention of the Thai in question putting said cookies in his basket with intent to pay. Had he done so there would have been no problem.

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    Ahhh I see.. the plot thickens.. in that case, he lost my sympathy.

    chop his cock off (and his cookies)..

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    I think all you honest people who sincerely intend to pay project your honesty onto people who don't deserve it.
    Eating or drinking stuff in the shop is pretty low class in my opinion, but more importantly it opens the door for people to steal by consuming then disposing the package. He's eating, so I will too. It is indeed a problem for shops. One stolen can of fanta requires the sale of ten more cans to make up the loss. (or something like that). So it doesn't take much to be stolen for an entire day's profits to be lost.
    Technically it's theft at that instant you eat something that is not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    I paid for the infant formula myself, put them in the police car, drove them around the block and released them,
    Good man.

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    You see a few Thais taking the piss mind you. Standing there in Makro for example, bagging up grapes whilst scoffing the ones they are not going to pay for. I don't mean a couple either, thrusting them down their ravenous holes like they're going out of fashion.

    Anyway, who wants a box of cookies, that somebodies already tucked into?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    As a cop in East Los Angeles,


    Drink your milk, you Mexican sod !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukey1979 View Post
    You see a few Thais taking the piss mind you. Standing there in Makro for example, bagging up grapes whilst scoffing the ones they are not going to pay for. I don't mean a couple either, thrusting them down their ravenous holes like they're going out of fashion.

    Anyway, who wants a box of cookies, that somebodies already tucked into?
    You should see the raggies. They used to do a salad bar in one of my local supermarkets, with a fixed price for various sized containers. The fuckers used to put the container in a bag and fill it up.

    Pretty quickly switched to price by weight.


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    This thread takes the biscuit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam
    Eating or drinking stuff in the shop is pretty low class in my opinion, but more importantly it opens the door for people to steal by consuming then disposing the package. He's eating, so I will too.
    Often see them in the 7-11 filling a cup of Slurpee stuff, take a few sucks, then top-up again before going to the counter.

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