Thread: Asia's star holiday industry loses its shine

Originally Posted by cyrille

It's a reasonably big planet.

I thought the saying was "it's a small world".

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I thought the saying was "it's a small world".

It's a massive world mate with untold places to reside in.

But here we have a small group of punters who refuse to leave lovely Thailand and hang around like a freshly laid turd.

Heaps of these sorts on the other channel. " Thai-Visa"

Maybe they should go over there where they would be welcomed with open arms.

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by Nawtier

Haha.....thats kinda funny all things considered

It's not funny. If you don't like Thailand, leave.

....please....stop it.....

It is balance and compromise wherever you choose to live and it will always be down to individual circumstances.
Nowhere is perfect and some places are less perfect than others. Some folk will pay all their taxes, be a good citizen and rely on the state to take care of all their needs.
Others require a bit more freedom and will sacrifice the certainty of a western lifestyle for some of the failings of the developing world. Balance and compromise based on different personal circumstances.
On balance it will obviously be easier for a single man with no hard and fast ties than another who has family, property and other entanglements to colour his decision.
I still see an element of naivete in Terry's robust defence of his life here. Awareness of the realities of life here is essential even if you feel your behaviour mitigates against the worst of it. It can still bite you in the ass.
There is an undercurrent of cultural opportunism ingrained in certain Thai demographics, and anyone who is unaware, or chooses to ignore it, will remain at risk.

Originally Posted by chassamui

I still see an element of naivete in Terry's robust defence of his life here..

No shit Sherlock..........just sayin

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by terry57

I'll just keep on feeling the way I do and you can keep on feeling the way you do.

It's not about feelings mate. It's about reality.

The reality is what has been stated, a passive aggressive simmering resentment behind the polite smiles of the Thai male. If you're not very perceptive or live in a bubble you won't see it, and its great that you are not affected by it. But to say its all rosy and these Thai blokes idolise us is fantastical.

It's fair to say it's neither all Thai males nor just Thai males.

I've encountered similar sentiments even from Flippers occasionally - it seems to me like a deep-seated insecurity around us honkies.

After all, all the tinted folk regard paleness as an asset, even before they begin resenting WASP cultural superiority that they buy into the products of.

They don't make the connection that the reason their women prefer us is not purely about wanting to produce paler progeny, but also because the women want to buy into WASP culture, with the greater benefits for women.

The prevailing culture in the developing world embraces corruption and the denigration of women, and it's hardly surprising that women want to opt out of that.

Too many of the men, however, are "caught in the game", and see us as unfair competition, and resent us. They don't see how their society and attitudes need to grow up and change; even before they get to thinking about whether they can do anything to change them. They buy into the petty power culture of hegemony over women and others. Their perspective is generally too limited and too focussed on the trinkets and outcomes of western culture, without understanding the processes and fundamentals of it: they want a short cut. A mediaeval mind with modern alien technology dropped atop it.

Mind you, many of my Mrs relatives are pretty sound, pretty moral, from what I can see. It seems to be in the urban areas where people get caught up in the game of ambition and start eating each other alive. How different is that from our own western cities? I've certainly seen it, even in the most "sensitive" working environments.

I've met too many pleasant Thai males to generalise about them all possessing this simmering resentment. Of course I know it exists, but I don't see it as being much different from the immigrant infestations in the west. They know or feel that they are unwanted, but they don't know that it's their culture that is what plays such a big part in their unwantedness.
Having said that, even in the west, I've had experiences where it was the immigrants who stood by me, and my own people who behaved like worst kind of snakes.

I can't buy into this "simmering hatred of farang" thing. There's contempt for tourists; contempt for expats; but it's from contemptuous people, of which there may be more, but it's not from all of them at all. There are plenty of moral dudes, who if you reach out to they reciprocate. I speak from my own personal direct experience.

I struggle even to generalise about Chinese-Thais - I note their tendancies, and I can think of complete shitstains I've encountered, and sound blokes too (probably more shitstains though, to be fair).

I'm just not sure I can say that there's more of this resentment and hidden aggression than I encounter in other places, including the west.

I do agree with chassamui that Thailand is a sharkpool, and you do need to get clued up and stay switched on, which is a major turn-off about the place for me.

Originally Posted by Nawtier

Originally Posted by chassamui

I still see an element of naivete in Terry's robust defence of his life here..

No shit Sherlock..........just sayin

I'll tell you what Nawty,


If I ever feel like you I'll pack it in and go to some other place that is more to my liking.

So what about You ?

Suppose you will just hang around being a sad bastard.

^^^^^ True, an american friend of my son visited here recently, when I was introduced, he addressed me as sir, not put on, just their way.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Nawtier

Originally Posted by chassamui

I still see an element of naivete in Terry's robust defence of his life here..

No shit Sherlock..........just sayin

I'll tell you what Nawty,


If I ever feel like you I'll pack it in and go to some other place that is more to my liking.

So what about You ?

Suppose you will just hang around being a sad bastard.

stop it please........

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

^^^^^ True, an american friend of my son visited here recently, when I was introduced, he addressed me as sir, not put on, just their way.

I had a Cambodian bird calling me sir the other day

^ ^

Hey, I'm reporting you for stalking me.

I just logged on to give you a slap.

Good fun innit.

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

True, an American friend of my son visited here recently, when I was introduced, he addressed me as sir, not put on, just their way.

Many times I'm addressed as " Sir " by the Thai.

It's quite disturbing.

Originally Posted by Nawtier

Originally Posted by chassamui

I still see an element of naivete in Terry's robust defence of his life here..

No shit Sherlock..........just sayin

I think it's called "optimism". Is there an alternative?

Originally Posted by 9999

Think of it like doing your time in the mines or some sort of posting.

Here is another reality.

We lost quite a few employees who bolted up to the mines to get on the big money, most doing fly in fly out.

Some of these guys where pulling nice dollars in Perth in a secure long term job whilst being at home with the family.

Many are now in shit street, lost their jobs because of the mining down turn.

Fire Service won't have them back.

Also many guys borrowed a shit load of money on the back of their big wages.

Many now Bankrupt.

Lucky you did not go to the mines.

Originally Posted by terry57

One never knows what life has in-store for him. You as a family man have a massive responsibility and once you actually move back to Australia your life will become very serious...../.

Your concern is appreciated, but you are looking at things from the perspective of a life time government worker on a relatively low wage. You gotta do some pretty out there things to get ahead of this pack these days. For me its enduring the Thai male. Ha, not really, its not that bad, I'm just pointing it out.

There is negative and positive everywhere and you have to weigh it up. A lot of guys agree with me here, I've had a flood of greens, so something is there. To tell us all to go fuck off home for being whingers and proceeding to tell everyone how good your life is actually reaks of insecurity. How about keeping it just a little bit real?

^

Na not like that all,

It's just that I view people who leave their own country to go to another country then find them selves in a situation where they are less then happy a tad sad.

Even more Sad and Pathetic when they continue to stay in country instead of fuking off back to where they come from.

I fart in their general direction as I walk out my door into another happy day.

Further more the Greens you are receiving are from other sad bastards who are in the Sad and unfortunate boat.

The guys who are happy with their lot simply would not bother.

Just sayin like.

Originally Posted by 9999

Your concern is appreciated?

Now Mate,

We must clear this very important part up.

I am simply not concerned with your situation. You have made your own situation.

I am simply relating how it is for the Family man back in Australia.

You are going to be in for lots of fun when you go back.

Originally Posted by terry57

It's just that I view people who leave their own country to go to another country then find them selves in a situation where they are less then happy a tad sad.

Why does pointing out the psyche of the Thai male make you sad? Like I said you are really twisting this around and being quite rude and insulting about it too. If you wanna play this game, ok, sad for me is getting to retirement single with no family and only enough dosh to get by in the 3rd world as you wither away and die.

I would do anything in my 30's to avoid such a situation, even if it means being surrounded by blokes who detest me for a time. But its not even like that, it's not that I hate living in Thailand. That doesn't mean the reality of the Thai male sentiment does not exist.

^



Urm, Ok then.

I'm off back to Australia to spend my wedge over there.

Happy Now.


Na fuk that,

I'm really off to Fortune Town to buy a new Samsung Tab 10.5 Galaxy . Need to spend some more Super before I lose it all.

Lovely day in Bangkok by the way.

So what are you doing ?

Packing up Huh.

^ See, this is the insecurity coming out again, telling everyone how happy you are, how much money you have, etc.

So there is nothing bad about Thailand? And if you did observe something negative, would you just fuck off home?

It sounds like deep down the fact that you have to live in Thailand to have a comfortable life shits you to tears, and to compensate you try to project a false air of security by trying to convince others how happy and wealthy you are, and telling everyone to fuck off home for being more perceptive than yourself.

Actually no, I think you're just trolling.

Originally Posted by 9999

^ See, this is the insecurity coming out again, telling everyone how happy you are, how much money you have, etc.

So there is nothing bad about Thailand? And if you did observe something negative, would you just fuck off home?

It sounds like deep down the fact that you have to live in Thailand to have a comfortable life shits you to tears, and to compensate you try to project a false air of security by trying to convince others how happy and wealthy you are, and telling everyone to fuck off home for being more perceptive than yourself.

Actually no, I think you're just trolling.

In Britain we grew up with terrorist bombs.

They never bothered me there, they don't bother me where I live and I'm more concerned about the army shutting all the fucking Bars in Thailand early than I am about the odd bomb.

If you're scared, pack your gear and fuck off somewhere "safe". It's not rocket science.