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hazz · 06-03-2013, 09:44 AM

Quite no surprise, particularly with the rather recent examples of thai shamlessness chalerms special son training the police how to shoot and the culture ministers father. Doesn't stop it grating though.

The rich and powerful families of thailand must be quite relieved at all of this evidence that all that stuff that PT and the UDD shouted out about double standards was empty rhetoric thats been fully put to bed.... so they can sleep safe knowing that they and the scummy children remain, as always above the law.

at the risk of sounding like tom, it is about time that the victims of these people learn the lesson thats being taught here, if you want justice from a rich thai... you need to take it yourself.

ralphlsasser · 06-03-2013, 10:46 AM

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CRIME FORMER MISS THAILAND'S SON CHARGED

Man rams car into bus passengers, killing one

POST REPORTERS

A son of a former Miss Thailand winner has been charged with murder and attempted murder after he ran over several bus passengers with his car, killing one and injuring a number of others, following a quarrel with the bus driver on Wednesday night. Kanpithak Patchimsawat, 20-year-old son of Sawinee Pakaranang and Kan-anek Patchimsawat, accused Sathaporn Arunsiri, 37, the driver of bus No 513, of hitting his car while in the Asoke area.

After a brief argument, both left the scene. When the bus stopped at a traffic light at Aree intersection near Sukhumvit Soi 26, Mr Kanpithak left the car to approach the bus driver. The driver then told passengers to leave the bus for another vehicle. Before they could be picked up, Mr Kanpithak got back into his car and rammed it into the waiting passengers. Three people were trapped under the car when it came to a stop.

Eyewitnesses and other passengers tried to lift the Mercedes to free the victims, who were taken to Chulalongkorn Hospital. One victim, Saichon Luangsaeng, 42, was pronounced dead at the hospital yesterday while two others are being treated for serious injuries.

The angry crowd then turned on Mr Kanpithak, assaulting him before police stepped in. He is being treated at Samitivej Hospital.

Pol Lt-Gen Adisorn Nonsi, the metropolitan police chief, said police would treat all sides fairly. Mr Kanpitak is the nephew of Ukrit Patchimsawat, retired deputy police chief.

Police are awaiting the results of an alcohol test and medical records of Mr Kanpithak, who was reportedly once treated at Galaya Rajanagarindra Institute and has a problem with self-control.

The family of Mrs Saichon yesterday filed a complaint with police. Her daughter Sucheera Insuwan, 25, said the family wanted Mr Kanpithak prosecuted. Mrs Saichon, a financial officer of the state-run bus agency, the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority, was among passengers waiting when the Mercedes hit her.

Mr Kan-anek, father of Mr Kanpithak, says he will take all responsibility for what happened.

The family agreed to pay compensation to the injured and the family of the dead victim.

At a press conference, Mr Kan-anek and Mrs Sawinee, who are divorced, expressed regret.

Mr Kanpithak had suffered from depression and his body would stiffen in a fit when enraged, his father said.
His son would be ordained to make merit for the dead victim

His son would be ordained to make merit for the dead victim OK thats will be alright then, Daddy will pay and he will became a monk for 10 mins

Sadly, typical Thai's. Taking responsibility for a grown kids faults. Sickening. No wonder they never grow up. !5 or 20 years at the Bangkok Hilton would make him grow up.

Tom Sawyer · 06-03-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

His bail was continued on Tuesday.

On what grounds?

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It was not reported whether or not his lawyer indicated they would further appeal the sentence to the Supreme Court.

First question is to whom his lawyers could appeal an "Appeal Court" decision? Since his sentence was reduced to 2 years, the second question is, at what point, does he ever serve even that? I think we know the answer to that last point.

Tom Sawyer · 06-03-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hazz

The rich and powerful families of thailand must be quite relieved at all of this evidence that all that stuff that PT and the UDD shouted out about double standards was empty rhetoric thats been fully put to bed.... so they can sleep safe knowing that they and the scummy children remain, as always above the law.

Oh dear, so now it's Thaksin's fault? As I and others have said repeatedly, the courts are not controlled by the government, they are controlled by establishment figures. When Thaksin was the Establishment's darling the establishment let him escape charges of clearly trying to hide his wealth (gardener and maid as shareholders in his companies). When the establishment turned against him around 2004, the courts were instructed to jail him as a lesson to all others who would dare try to compete with established business interests. If you can't see that then you are blind or willfully negligent in opening your eyes to it (you and SD by the way). It's not the government that's the problem - it's the establishment and their corrupt systems and abuses of power to maintain this neo-feudal system of wealth and impunity.

hazz · 06-03-2013, 12:35 PM

You see tom they way it works is parliment makes the law and the judges get to interpret it. Judges do get the right to play games with that interpritation, but they don't get to make it up or ignore it without consequences. The video footage of the judges discussing how to 'fix' that court cause against the dems back in 2010... demonstrate the process in action very nicely.

Parliament could if it were interested, and with the last election results... thats PT, pass laws closing these loopholes that the those who can afford decent lawyers and the tea money use to get their impunity. Saying that, parliament could in the last 500 days have passed laws covering bail and remand that would have forced the judges to release the remanded the UUD prisoners out on house arrest or something similar to what the minister of culture managed to do for his murderious father in just 7 days.

And why would they close these loopholes?, theres no pressure on them to do this and they, just like the others, do very nicely out of these loopholes themselves.

Mid · 06-03-2013, 02:55 PM

with enough money you can do anything in Thailand .

hazz · 06-03-2013, 03:01 PM

^I do believe there is an exception to that rule we cannot talk about. but I blive tacky knows what I am talking about

setaputra · 06-03-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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Originally Posted by hazz

The rich and powerful families of thailand must be quite relieved at all of this evidence that all that stuff that PT and the UDD shouted out about double standards was empty rhetoric thats been fully put to bed.... so they can sleep safe knowing that they and the scummy children remain, as always above the law.

Oh dear, so now it's Thaksin's fault? As I and others have said repeatedly, the courts are not controlled by the government, they are controlled by establishment figures. When Thaksin was the Establishment's darling the establishment let him escape charges of clearly trying to hide his wealth (gardener and maid as shareholders in his companies). When the establishment turned against him around 2004, the courts were instructed to jail him as a lesson to all others who would dare try to compete with established business interests. If you can't see that then you are blind or willfully negligent in opening your eyes to it (you and SD by the way). It's not the government that's the problem - it's the establishment and their corrupt systems and abuses of power to maintain this neo-feudal system of wealth and impunity.

agreed

setaputra · 06-03-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hazz

You see tom they way it works is parliment makes the law and the judges get to interpret it. Judges do get the right to play games with that interpritation, but they don't get to make it up or ignore it without consequences. The video footage of the judges discussing how to 'fix' that court cause against the dems back in 2010... demonstrate the process in action very nicely.

Parliament could if it were interested, and with the last election results... thats PT, pass laws closing these loopholes that the those who can afford decent lawyers and the tea money use to get their impunity. Saying that, parliament could in the last 500 days have passed laws covering bail and remand that would have forced the judges to release the remanded the UUD prisoners out on house arrest or something similar to what the minister of culture managed to do for his murderious father in just 7 days.

And why would they close these loopholes?, theres no pressure on them to do this and they, just like the others, do very nicely out of these loopholes themselves.

elected governments run this country??

hazz · 06-03-2013, 03:54 PM

Well yes, on the whole the elected government to get to control the ministries and administer the country. DSI for example has been exemplary in following the agenda of the elected government be it the dems or later PT; the post election uturn was hardly discrete and the chorus about DSI's bias that existed under the dems has disappeared under PT.... Hardly surprising as a government minister can make or brake any civil servant under their authority, no sir humfies in thailand

Now saying that armed forces, the judges and a sacred cow or two do have the nuclear option i.e taking out the government and banning the ruling party.... if they think the gain is worth the risk and hassle of doing so. So yes should they seriously upset vested interests they are fucked.... so no elected governments going to successfully implement serious social change unless their actions have a concesis with these vested interests. so no, as in no elected government in thailand has complete unfetted power to carry out their elected mandate to the degree to which it should.

So fundamentally as long as they allow the armed forces to do run themselves and simply lobby them politely, as long as they stay away from few important trigger issues like getting thaksin back. They are left alone to run the country as they see fit and feed at the troff, all 97 billion dollars of it,... as long as they remember to share enough of it with the old guard.

personally speaking, if this government wanted to get redshirts on remand out under house arrest with perhaps contact restrictions on those accused of LM. Or close a few loopholes allowing the likes of mo ham to be able to use double standards get outs.... they would get away with is as these are small steps, they are not enough to set off the nuclear option and risk the back blast. But fundamentally these are unimportant issues to them, so they do nothing.

Tom Sawyer · 06-03-2013, 06:32 PM

Nope, they just get to ride the horse for a while. A quote from one of the guys who does run the country.

hazz · 06-03-2013, 06:55 PM

Except tom, when that quote was originally spoken it was being used to describe the relationship between the government and the army.

believe it or not there is a great deal more to running this country than telling or moer likely, asking very nicely, the army what to do.

BKKBanger · 16-03-2013, 11:31 AM

If you appear to have money and status in Thailand you can indeed get away with an awful lot. Thai society is very class concious and offer respect upwards and condescension downwards and when you are at the top you can act pretty much however you like.

Being a foreigner the average Thai has a lot of difficulty in working out where in the social hierarchy you fit. Dress well, drive a nice car, live in a big house, have a good job and hey pretso, you are hard to touch. Always enjoyed that, no need to even open my mouth to get deference, even though i do not deserve it.

Young kids in Mercs are a plague in central Bangkok.

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06-03-2013, 09:44 AM	#176 (permalink)
hazz Free david44 Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,275	Quite no surprise, particularly with the rather recent examples of thai shamlessness chalerms special son training the police how to shoot and the culture ministers father. Doesn't stop it grating though. The rich and powerful families of thailand must be quite relieved at all of this evidence that all that stuff that PT and the UDD shouted out about double standards was empty rhetoric thats been fully put to bed.... so they can sleep safe knowing that they and the scummy children remain, as always above the law. at the risk of sounding like tom, it is about time that the victims of these people learn the lesson thats being taught here, if you want justice from a rich thai... you need to take it yourself.

06-03-2013, 12:35 PM	#180 (permalink)
hazz Free david44 Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,275	You see tom they way it works is parliment makes the law and the judges get to interpret it. Judges do get the right to play games with that interpritation, but they don't get to make it up or ignore it without consequences. The video footage of the judges discussing how to 'fix' that court cause against the dems back in 2010... demonstrate the process in action very nicely. Parliament could if it were interested, and with the last election results... thats PT, pass laws closing these loopholes that the those who can afford decent lawyers and the tea money use to get their impunity. Saying that, parliament could in the last 500 days have passed laws covering bail and remand that would have forced the judges to release the remanded the UUD prisoners out on house arrest or something similar to what the minister of culture managed to do for his murderious father in just 7 days. And why would they close these loopholes?, theres no pressure on them to do this and they, just like the others, do very nicely out of these loopholes themselves.

06-03-2013, 02:55 PM	#181 (permalink)
Mid Nautical Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41,351	with enough money you can do anything in Thailand .

06-03-2013, 03:01 PM	#182 (permalink)
hazz Free david44 Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,275	^I do believe there is an exception to that rule we cannot talk about. but I blive tacky knows what I am talking about

06-03-2013, 03:54 PM	#185 (permalink)
hazz Free david44 Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,275	Well yes, on the whole the elected government to get to control the ministries and administer the country. DSI for example has been exemplary in following the agenda of the elected government be it the dems or later PT; the post election uturn was hardly discrete and the chorus about DSI's bias that existed under the dems has disappeared under PT.... Hardly surprising as a government minister can make or brake any civil servant under their authority, no sir humfies in thailand Now saying that armed forces, the judges and a sacred cow or two do have the nuclear option i.e taking out the government and banning the ruling party.... if they think the gain is worth the risk and hassle of doing so. So yes should they seriously upset vested interests they are fucked.... so no elected governments going to successfully implement serious social change unless their actions have a concesis with these vested interests. so no, as in no elected government in thailand has complete unfetted power to carry out their elected mandate to the degree to which it should. So fundamentally as long as they allow the armed forces to do run themselves and simply lobby them politely, as long as they stay away from few important trigger issues like getting thaksin back. They are left alone to run the country as they see fit and feed at the troff, all 97 billion dollars of it,... as long as they remember to share enough of it with the old guard. personally speaking, if this government wanted to get redshirts on remand out under house arrest with perhaps contact restrictions on those accused of LM. Or close a few loopholes allowing the likes of mo ham to be able to use double standards get outs.... they would get away with is as these are small steps, they are not enough to set off the nuclear option and risk the back blast. But fundamentally these are unimportant issues to them, so they do nothing.

06-03-2013, 06:32 PM	#186 (permalink)
Tom Sawyer Twitter #BKKTS Last Online: 09-06-2013 04:40 AM Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 7,873	Nope, they just get to ride the horse for a while. A quote from one of the guys who does run the country.

06-03-2013, 06:55 PM	#187 (permalink)
hazz Free david44 Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 AM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,275	Except tom, when that quote was originally spoken it was being used to describe the relationship between the government and the army. believe it or not there is a great deal more to running this country than telling or moer likely, asking very nicely, the army what to do.

16-03-2013, 11:31 AM	#188 (permalink)
BKKBanger Member Last Online: 07-05-2013 10:32 AM Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Trawlland, not Nong Khai Posts: 158	If you appear to have money and status in Thailand you can indeed get away with an awful lot. Thai society is very class concious and offer respect upwards and condescension downwards and when you are at the top you can act pretty much however you like. Being a foreigner the average Thai has a lot of difficulty in working out where in the social hierarchy you fit. Dress well, drive a nice car, live in a big house, have a good job and hey pretso, you are hard to touch. Always enjoyed that, no need to even open my mouth to get deference, even though i do not deserve it. Young kids in Mercs are a plague in central Bangkok.

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