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    Why does Indonesia demand that female military recruits are virgins?

    Why does Indonesia demand that female military recruits are virgins?

    Human rights activists want Indonesia to stop so-called virginity tests being used in the recruitment of female military recruits.

    "Bonkers", "primitive" and "unscientific" are words used to describe it by one of the Human Rights Watch (HRW) researchers who interviewed women who had been subjected to the test.

    The World Health Organization has said: "There is no place for virginity testing; it has no scientific validity."

    HRW says the tests are also discriminatory and have no bearing on a woman's ability to perform her job.

    What's happening in Indonesia?

    Virginity tests are obligatory for female military and national police recruits who are typically high school graduates aged between 18 and 20. HRW's research indicates that the air force, army and navy have for decades also used the test on the fiancees of military officers before marriage.




    It also says local governments and the civil service have been known to use the test. In February, officials in Jember, East Java, scrapped a plan to make high school girls be tested before they could graduate from high school.

    What happens in a test?

    In the test, known as the "two-finger test", the doctor deduces the state of the hymen - a thin piece of membrane attached to the vaginal wall - and the size and so-called laxity of the vagina.

    The test is supposed to assess whether a woman has had sex, but the state of the hymen offers little to answer this question, HRW says. They say a hymen may vary in size for many reasons unrelated to sex. It partly covers the vaginal opening and does not "seal it like a door".


    Andreas Harsono was one of the HRW researchers who interviewed 11 Indonesian women, who were all military wives and female officers. He said they described two fingers being used to open the vagina while one finger was placed in the anus.

    He said that on one occasion, when a woman told others waiting outside an examination room what had been done to her, all 23 applicants left.

    He said that most were embarrassed by the procedure, and many were traumatised.

    A female military physician told researchers that when she performed the tests in Jakarta, she found it difficult to persuade the women to take part. "It was not [just] a humiliating act... It was a torture. I decided not to do it again," she said.

    How important is it that recruits are virgins?

    According to armed forces information chief Major Gen Fuad Basya, it's a matter of national security.

    He said: "If it is not restricted this way, then someone with a bad habit will become military personnel. Soldiers are a nation's defenders. They defend a nation's sovereignty, a country's territory and security."

    He told local media if a candidate had lost her virginity out of wedlock her mental state would make her unfit to become a soldier.

    He said "It may be because of an accident, disease or because of a habit" - meaning sexual intercourse.

    "If it is their habit, the Indonesian military cannot accept potential recruits like these."

    An army wife interviewed by HRW said the rationale given to her was economic.

    "The military wants healthy couples," she said. She added: "Military men often travel away from home. They should trust their wives."

    Why does Indonesia demand that female military recruits are virgins? - BBC News

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    It would be perfectly fair if they demanded male recruits were virgins, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It would be perfectly fair if they demanded male recruits were virgins, too.
    Too right.

    Any bloke with a ripped ringpiece is obviously unsuitable for killing people.

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    Allah knows best.

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    In the test, known as the "two-finger test", the doctor deduces the state of the hymen - a thin piece of membrane attached to the vaginal wall - and the size and so-called laxity of the vagina.
    Those who pass that test get a thumbs up from their commanding officer.

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    Because Indonesia is a total shithole?

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    I remember this article from a couple of years ago, and thought the whole thing had been debunked.

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    He said they described two fingers being used to open the vagina while one finger was placed in the anus.
    We called that game "Church windows" when I was a lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Mann
    Those who pass that test get a thumbs up from their commanding officer.
    You 100% sure its the thumb ??

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    Bonkers.


    But good business potential for enterprising physicians to replace/repair the hymen (hymenoplasty)

    BBC News - The virginity industry
    Hymen repair - hymen operation
    Hymenoplasty - Hymen Repair or Reconstruction Surgery

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    You have to wonder how happy is the bloke that gets to finger all these wenches.

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    Female doctors probably do it.

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    It's invasive and degrading and probably frightening for the girls.

    And, excuse me, is being a virgin make you a better soldier? Or does it just make you the pick of the bunch when you get "initiated" by your comrades.

    Sick sick sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
    He said they described two fingers being used to open the vagina while one finger was placed in the anus.
    So they have to be a tradesman's virgin as well as a main entrance virgin?


    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
    He said that on one occasion, when a woman told others waiting outside an examination room what had been done to her, all 23 applicants left.
    Obviously not virgins then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinky
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    He said they described two fingers being used to open the vagina while one finger was placed in the anus.
    We called that game "Church windows" when I was a lad.
    Also known as the "bowling ball grip"

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    If you think this is grotesque, just read about what the TNI does in Papua and the horrendous torture the TNI - and some of these virginal femmes- have inflicted on the native population of that eastern province

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    Thanks for the reminder.

    Recent events surrounding the voyage by 43 asylum seekers to Australia indicated sophisticated TNI-run psychological operations combining strategic-level concerns with past methods of infiltration and manipulation into West Papuan resistance groups and their sympathizers. Arrangements in command and control, alongside key officers’ operational expertise and record, further indicated a TNI campaign to penetrate the Australian Government’s leadership elite’s ‘decision cycle’, or its basic, driving psychological processes around informal migration to its shores. Beneath the Indonesian military’s planned ambitious and expensive, ongoing build-up and renewal, that most recent episode in Indonesian-Australian diplomacy indicated the Jakarta leadership elite’s strategic-level success in West Papua operations. Such success would likely see West Papua become the table on which Indonesian leaders could bargain for the most beneficial results of a restored bilateral security treaty with Australia.

    TNI and POLRI Forces in West Papua: Restructuring & Reasserting Sovereignty | Nautilus Institute for Security and Sustainability


    Yes...I see what you mean : https://freewestpapua.wordpress.com/tag/tni/



    And indeed :
    West Papua Report December 2014: TNI in West Papua, Vanuatu meet, protesters attacked, U.S. supports TNI and more

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