Thread: 2014 : State of emergency declared in Thailand

Originally Posted by Mid

From Manager, January 22, 2014

Caretaker Premier Yingluck Shinawatra: Alright?… Facing our emergency decree, Suthep’s mob is scared to death, right?

[Sitting in a couch, in a blue suit is Labor Minister Chalerm Ubumroong, also director of the Centre for Maintaining of Peace and Order (CMPO). In the brown suit is Caretaker Deputy Premier and Caretaker Foreign Minister, Surapong Tovichakchaikul. On the screen is Suthep Thuagsuban, the secretary-general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee.]

Suthep’s mob is scared to death | 2Bangkok.com

So we are go for posting political posters here related to this.

Court sets limits on emergency decree
19/02/2014

The Civil Court on Wednesday ruled that the government has the authority to impose the emergency decree during a critical situation, but not to the extent of using it to break up the People's Democratic Reform Committee's (PDRC) peaceful and unarmed demonstrations.

The Civil Court's ruling was south by Thaworn Senneam, a PDRC core member.

He petitioned the court to order caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, CMPO director and caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yubamrung and CMPO deputy director and police chief Adul Saengsingkaew to lift the emergency decree imposed in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and parts of Pathum Thani and Samut Prakan provinces.

The court in its ruling said Mr Thaworn had the right to file the petition with the Civil Court.

However, the government also had the authority of impose the emergency decree, a special law enabling the administrative branch to resolve problems during a critical situation, but with discretion.

However, the court prohibited the government and the Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) from breaking up the People's Democratic Reform Committee's rallies and from seizing the protesters' equipment.

It cited an earlier ruling by the Constitution Court that the PDRC's rally is lawful as long as it is peaceful and without weapons.

bangkokpost.com

Originally Posted by [B]The Civil Court [/B]

peaceful and unarmed demonstrations.

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...-si-clash.html (Thailand : Military role in Lak Si clash questioned)

Check this pic. To the casual observer , it looks like a demonstrator being kind to police. To those who know, it's his sick little joke. He's giving them 4 big buckets of popcorn. These people, if they're not actually shooting are egging the violence on.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4161494&type=1

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https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post2705566 (Suthep threatens to 'shut down' Bangkok afer New Year holidays)

Originally Posted by Mid

Court sets limits on emergency decree
19/02/2014

The Civil Court on Wednesday ruled that the government has the authority to impose the emergency decree during a critical situation, but not to the extent of using it to break up the People's Democratic Reform Committee's (PDRC) peaceful and unarmed demonstrations.

The Civil Court's ruling was south by Thaworn Senneam, a PDRC core member.

He petitioned the court to order caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, CMPO director and caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yubamrung and CMPO deputy director and police chief Adul Saengsingkaew to lift the emergency decree imposed in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and parts of Pathum Thani and Samut Prakan provinces.

The court in its ruling said Mr Thaworn had the right to file the petition with the Civil Court.

However, the government also had the authority of impose the emergency decree, a special law enabling the administrative branch to resolve problems during a critical situation, but with discretion.

However, the court prohibited the government and the Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) from breaking up the People's Democratic Reform Committee's rallies and from seizing the protesters' equipment.

It cited an earlier ruling by the Constitution Court that the PDRC's rally is lawful as long as it is peaceful and without weapons.

bangkokpost.com

The PDRC's protests are clearly not peaceful or without weapons. I wonder if the court noticed that, or even if it was allowed to.

Thailand is destined to remain a 3rd World country for generations to come, since their only pretences at mimicking democracy are occasional elections and court rulings based on who rather than what.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

the judiciary will be purged

Question is, though, by whom? There are no honest players anywhere in this whole sorry mess. While some are much, much worse than others I wouldn't trust any of them to put the interests of the country or the people (the same thing IMO) first.

Presumably, the certain army group will be removed at some point. Either killed, arrested or put in inactive positions. The PADite judiciary will have to be removed. Of course, who they are replaced with is unclear. Replacing them with a pro red judiciary is no good. Really, there needs to be criminal convictions of judges such as the one recorded trying to get the dems off, as well as coup generals and the generals that murdered the Bkk reds in mass numbers. Once it's clear that these people will be held accountable then you'd hope that fear of prosecution would keep them in order.

It always comes back to the same area: accountability and transparency.

Not easy though. It's particularly awful how these stupid academics and Bkk PADites who spout about anti-corruption all day long are the group that refuse to address accountability and transparency. Groups and individuals that do speak out and attempt to raise these issues are attacked, threatened and intimidated by the army/judiciary/PADites... The LM laws must go, obviously. There are some positive voices, at Thammasat, folks from Chula that are now in England, US, etc. After the succession, you'd hope these areas can be addressed. Not easy.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

There are no honest players anywhere in this whole sorry mess. While some are much, much worse than others I wouldn't trust any of them to put the interests of the country or the people (the same thing IMO) first.

Yup.

The new generation gives me hope though. They all seem to be able to read between the lines and realise that Thailand needs an overhaul in certain areas. Stopping (at least) most of the corruption and reforming the education system seem be top of the list.

Perhaps the young policeman who had his leg blown off by the grenade should seek the courts clarification as to what actually removed his leg off then?

And also the family of the young policeman who had his head blown off by sniper bullet should seek clarification from the court as to what actually blew his brains out then?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

To me, the main targets should be the US and EU and UK I guess. Why are they so vocal about Ukraine, when Thailand has fascist royal monkeys running rampant on the streets, throwing grenades at policemen and shooting them, while trying to shut down democracy and replace the popularly elected government with an unelected "Rich Noble Council"? Bottom line is Gi had to flee just like Jacropob and others who dared utter the truth about the Sakdina-Amart-Chink run patronage system. Hasta la siempre victoria..

This might sound a bit harsh:
"The utter truth is that a Ukraine civil war is far worse then a sack of rice falling over in Thailand."

there is an easy solution to all this, kill Thaksin, this is the first stage

once done, the Dems will have no longer any excuse to blame him, and the Thaksonites will be all lost looking for a new leader. Such a breakup, would create a large number of new political current with new blood and new aspiration.

Monopolization of a Party like we have for PT is no good for Democracy, and it's not good for good political governance in a country trying to grow in a global transparent context.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

kill Thaksin, this is the first stage

It's a band-aid, at best. Doesn't it occur to you, if it hadn't have been T, it would have been someone else? Thaksin is far too much credited with the origination of his parties politicking style and policies anyway (like d'uhh, he invented them himself?). He's merely a convenient figurehead (both pro and anti) for the real changes in Thai society, changes made inevitable by the neo-liberal development model that Thailand adopted- be that of the west's bequest, or of it's own volition (). Of course development spreads out from the centre, and I'm afraid the yellow side political cause is rendered hopeless, unless they deem it worthy to change.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's just back to square one- an unpopular and unrepresentative government, in limbo to be swept away at the next elections.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." - Yogi Berra
Doubt many here know Yogi. Google is your friend.

The PADites don't care - they need to be in control during the succession, so that they can keep the CPB money and the status and control that goes with the institution. It really is that simple. Once they have that in place, they don't much care who wins the next election - although they will use the opportunity to change the constitution and voting laws to give themselves as much power as possible.

It's just about maintaining feudal control of as much money and power as possible. That's why they are so desperate to keep control of social discourse (supported by sites that delete perfectly normal links...) as possible through LM laws and a pliant judiciary with the constant threat of the army...

Originally Posted by sabang

It's a band-aid, at best. Doesn't it occur to you, if it hadn't have been T, it would have been someone else?

it's the first step, then we can move to the next one. And yes, there could be another one, but the idea is that the process is "transparent" and "fluid" enough to process those hacks and get rid of them as soon as they take power.

That's Democracy. Getting rid of tyrants as soon as possible, may it be by judicial means or the streets or through elections.

Ruling on 'peaceful' Thai rallies raises suspicion
20 February 2014

Ruling by Civil Court that protests by anti-government movement are peaceful – a day after clashes left 5 dead – heighten suspicion judiciary part of 'elite' alliance keen to oust government.

BANGKOK

A contentious ruling by the Thai Civil Court that protests by the anti-government movement are peaceful -- a day after violent clashes left five people dead -- has heightened suspicion that the judiciary is part of an "elite" alliance that is keen to oust the government.

With the Thai military reluctant to intervene to resolve a four-month-long political crisis, there has been repeated speculation that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's government is being strangled by the courts and independent agencies such as the anti-graft body.

Critics have described this process as a slow "judicial coup."

On Wednesday the Civil Court referred to an assessment made previously by the most senior court in the Kingdom that the protest was peaceful and conducted "without weapons."

It said the government had the right to call a state of emergency, but sharply curtailed the power of security forces to protect government buildings.

The verdict was starkly at odds with videos posted on social media and seen by millions of Thais showing a grenade fired at police seeking to disperse protesters in central Bangkok, and people on both sides being shot.

Sunai Phasuk, from Human Rights Watch, told the Anadolu Agency on Thursday that the ruling could send the wrong message that protesters are being shielded from criminal prosecution and accountability for violence and serious human rights violations.

"Claims that anti-government groups are peaceful and unarmed are dispelled by their use of firearms and other acts of violence over the past three months, ranging from obstruction of (the) electoral process and voting to many clashes with police and government supporters," he added.

Rallies continued in Bangkok on Thursday, although there were no reports of major drama.

Radical monk Luang Pu Buddha Issara -- closely allied with the anti-goverment movement -- led hundreds of people in a symbolic protest outside the Shinawatra Tower, a base for businesses linked to the prime minister's family.

Elsewhere in the Kingdom, farmers upset at the government over its failure to pay for rice submitted under a controversial rice subsidies program drove an armada of tractors from the central region toward the capital.

Over a million farmers are owed money for rice sold to the government up to five months ago, however, the calling of a snap election -- partly blocked by the protesters -- has hindered the government's capacity to pay the massive cost of the scheme.

More than a dozen farmers owed money under the scheme are reported to have committed suicide because of the financial difficulties caused by not being paid.

On Tuesday, the country's National Anti-Corruption Commission filed corruption charges against Shinawatra with regard to the program.

The Commission does not have the power of indictment -- it can press charges, but then it has to transfer the case to the Thai Supreme Court. If the court accepts the case, there can be an indictment, a trial and eventually a conviction.

Shinawatra is facing a wave of opposition protests after her government pushed through an amnesty which would have lifted a conviction against her brother, Thaksin -- a deeply divisive figure whose Thai Rak Thai (Thais love Thais) party led the country from 2001 to 2006 until he was overthrown in a coup and then found guilty of abuse of power.

Confronted by massive protests, the government withdrew the bill, but the opposition has alleged massive corruption by the government and Shinawatra family.

Yingluck Shinawatra dissolved the parliament on December 9 and called February 2 elections, which were disrupted by protesters who want an unelected "people’s council" to run Thailand until the political system is reformed.

Anti-government movement the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) has asked the Constitutional court to dissolve the government for "abuse of power" for its organization of the February elections.

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State of emergency still necessary : Surapong
March 3, 2014

The state of emergency is still needed for the current situation as political violences have still occurred, Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order's member Surapong Tohvichakchaikul said Monday.

He was referring to a bomb attack at the Criminal Court on Ratchadapisek Road this morning.

He said the decree invocation had no effect on tourism because the police used no force or violence against protesters. But the anti-government protests did have negative effect on tourism because it caused fear and trouble for tourists, he said.

The state of emergency, that will be expired on March 22, covers the entire Bangkok and Nonthaburi and parts of Samut Prakarn and Pathum Thani.

nationmultimedia.com

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by Butterfly

there is an easy solution to all this, kill Thaksin, this is the first stage

once done, the Dems will have no longer any excuse to blame him, and the Thaksonites will be all lost looking for a new leader. Such a breakup, would create a large number of new political current with new blood and new aspiration.

Monopolization of a Party like we have for PT is no good for Democracy, and it's not good for good political governance in a country trying to grow in a global transparent context.

You are such a fool, mon ami. Thaksin CANNOT be killed. The Royalists and Amart NEED him to be the bad guy - don't you get it? Without him, they would have no raison d'etre. It's not only Thaksin they are fighting, it's pluralism. Their biggest fear is the next Populist leader could be a Che or Chavez

that's exactly my point, in short you are supporting the Amart by "protecting" Thaksin