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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Nice puff piece of flagrant rumormongering from the paste. Went all quiet on the constant coup rumormogering, didn't it?
    The biggest threat to Thailands growth trajectory remains political, and sadly the same class of people that control the paste and the notion- ie Bangkoks English language media- are a large part of the problem.
    I guess it wasn't rumour mongering after all eh, Sabang....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Nice puff piece of flagrant rumormongering from the paste. Went all quiet on the constant coup rumormogering, didn't it?
    The biggest threat to Thailands growth trajectory remains political, and sadly the same class of people that control the paste and the notion- ie Bangkoks English language media- are a large part of the problem.
    I guess it wasn't rumour mongering after all eh, Sabang....
    Hey come on now SD ,have a heart don't rub it in , The poor guys in a constant state of denial ,he's even taking to posting imaginary quotes of other people ,then having the sheer audacity to calling them liars

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Speculation is rife that our charming Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may lose her job for incorrectly declaring her assets regarding a loan transaction,
    This is the speculation I was referring to. Bangkoks incorrigible media, having seen the rather embarassing failure of the military coup speculation they were stoking, has now hopped onto the next bandwagon- stoking judicial coup rumors. It matters not an hoot that they have an editorial bias- that is well known. What matters is they constantly seek to destabilise the elected government- and this has been going on for many years starting with the PAD protests, mainly because the party they openly support are unable to get elected democratically.

    The message from PT appears to be clear- if you oust Yingluck, you get Yaowapa. Stick with Yingluck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Speculation is rife that our charming Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may lose her job for incorrectly declaring her assets regarding a loan transaction,
    This is the speculation I was referring to. Bangkoks incorrigible media, having seen the rather embarassing failure of the military coup speculation they were stoking, has now hopped onto the next bandwagon- stoking judicial coup rumors. It matters not an hoot that they have an editorial bias- that is well known. What matters is they constantly seek to destabilise the elected government- and this has been going on for many years starting with the PAD protests, mainly because the party they openly support are unable to get elected democratically.

    The message from PT appears to be clear- if you oust Yingluck, you get Yaowapa. Stick with Yingluck.
    FFS, whats the difference ?, they are both Thaksin appointed poodles ,or could the correct term be "lapdog", all Yowlappa will be is "Clone #2 http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...i-pm-ambitions
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    Yingluck is a much more neutral and independent figure than Yaowapa, who heads a faction within PT- thats the difference.
    p.s- why all the smilies? Are you a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yingluck is a much more neutral and independent figure than Yaowapa, who heads a faction within PT- thats the difference.
    p.s- why all the smilies? Are you a teenager.
    Looking forward to reading independent evidence to back up your usual baseless opinion , The smileys,?, they just display my thoughts that I find in many cases your posts are laughable and completely without foundation apart from your own

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    Meanwhile in the real world Yingluck, democratically elected in a landslide, is a popular prime minister, and economically Thailand is doing rather well. Yes, that is my opinion, along with the fact Yaowapa is a PT faction leader, and not as independent or neutral a figure as Yingluck, who is associated with no particular faction. Back it up- wot, for you? GIYF. Read the paste & notion if you must.

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    ^ With all the evidence of Yingluck being nothing more than Thaksin's puppet, how can you say she is independent or neutral? That's quite a ridiculous statement to make
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    Two new petitions challenge Bangkok governor poll | Bangkok Post: breakingnews

    Yingluck accused in election petition

    Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has been accused of abuse of authority in helping Pol Gen Pongsapat Pongcharoen, the Pheu Thai candidate, campaign in the lead-up to the March 3 Bangkok governor election, Bangkok election committee chairman Taweesak Tuchinda said.

    The accusation was made in a petition filed by Suriyasai Katasila, a core member of the Green Group.

    The petition said Ms Yingluck helped Pol Gen Pongsapat campaign at the 1st Infantry Regiment, where she was greeted by high-ranking army officers.

    Pol Lt-Gen Taweesak said the Bangkok election committee agreed at its meeting today to accept Mr Suriyasai's petition for investigation.

    The Bangkok EC also accepted another petition filed by former senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana accusing core members of the Democrat Party of helping MR Sukhumbhand Paribatra campaign in violation of Section 57 (5) of the Local Election Act.

    The committee would examine the two petitions quickly and hoped to forward the results to the Election Commission by April 2.

    If the investigation was not finished by then, the Bangkok EC could seek two extensions of 15 days each, he said.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    With all the evidence of Yingluck being nothing more than Thaksin's puppet, how can you say she is independent or neutral?
    Again-
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Yaowapa is a PT faction leader, and not as independent or neutral a figure as Yingluck, who is associated with no particular faction.
    You know what a comparitive assesment is, right? But yes, they are both spawn of shinawatra, and hence behind avian flu, AIDS, and the red light districts of Thailand.

    But if you really think the best way forward is to unseat Yingluck and see her repplaced with Yaowarat, by all means come out and say so. Perhaps you want to see a repeat of the Samakl/ Wongsawat dog n pony show. Perhaps you miss the exciting days of the UDD protests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    With all the evidence of Yingluck being nothing more than Thaksin's puppet, how can you say she is independent or neutral?
    Again-
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Yaowapa is a PT faction leader, and not as independent or neutral a figure as Yingluck, who is associated with no particular faction.
    You know what a comparitive assesment is, right? But yes, they are both spawn of shinawatra, and hence behind avian flu, AIDS, and the red light districts of Thailand.

    But if you really think the best way forward is to unseat Yingluck and see her repplaced with Yaowarat, by all means come out and say so. Perhaps you want to see a repeat of the Samakl/ Wongsawat dog n pony show. Perhaps you miss the exciting days of the UDD protests.
    Yingluck or Yaolappa whats the difference?, they are both under the firm control of the Alpha male , as was Yaolappa's lionhearted husband Somchai ,all they are is "front people", PM's by proxy , and why you cannot grasp this simple fact is quite frankly beyond my comprehension you say Yingluck is more independent, any chance of a link instead of your own fanciful trips into fantasy land?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    That's quite a ridiculous statement to make
    it's sabang dude, he lives in lala land up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    With all the evidence of Yingluck being nothing more than Thaksin's puppet, how can you say she is independent or neutral?
    Again-
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Yaowapa is a PT faction leader, and not as independent or neutral a figure as Yingluck, who is associated with no particular faction.
    You know what a comparitive assesment is, right? But yes, they are both spawn of shinawatra, and hence behind avian flu, AIDS, and the red light districts of Thailand.

    But if you really think the best way forward is to unseat Yingluck and see her repplaced with Yaowarat, by all means come out and say so. Perhaps you want to see a repeat of the Samakl/ Wongsawat dog n pony show. Perhaps you miss the exciting days of the UDD protests.
    dear me you are doing so well at missing the point aren't you, which probably explains how you managed to combine a moral Conscience with working in banking for so long.

    The only person suggesting that anyone things that unseating yingluck is a good or bad thing is you.

    To talk as you do about PT, Yingluck, taksin, and Yaowarat would require us to ignore the fact these people are all members of a traditional chinese business family clan, the dynamics of these clans and how thai patronage networks work and their pervasive presence in Thailand. You not so stupid as to not know this, your just in the same state of denial as many others.

    For the rest of us; we are simply commenting that in facing this potential crisis in which yingluck may loose her position of PM, PT's decisiion to get of its memebrs to resign so that they can have another clan member elected to parliment and hence the PM seat.... says a lot about PT. That it simply another part of the Shinawatra business empire and run just like any other traditional Chinese family owned business.


    Shinawatra bought the regional strongman with their MP's, they see the UDD as part of their patronage network and they bought the country with the populist vote.
    That populism might be enough progress to you, but to me its a dead end as they will never deliver more than they need to keep the vote and they will never care about the usefulness of their actions beyond retaining power. To me this is the same old problem dressed in new cloths. Worse than that; populist along with communist, fascist and military governments have in the medium to long term performed woefully in providing social progress, basic fairness or even stable governance.

    Personally I would like to see Thailand progress to become a fairer and more egalitarian society. None of the main political parties will achieve this and its only going to happen if the people of thailand demand it. So yes I would like the people of thailand to wake up and see PT and the Shinawatra's for what they are, get rid of them and restart their search for progress. And yes I can believe in this and not belive that the answer is a coup of any kind.... why would I, beyond the moral issues... they don't and never have worked anywhere

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    I have opined before that I consider Yingluck a much better Prime Minister for Thailand than Thaksin, her older brother. Or the fat lady, or Mark for that matter. But if to you they are all the same (except Mark, of course), that is your opinion. The opinions that count are, obviously, the voters. I fail to see how this constant coup gossip from the bke media assists the democrat cause in the eyes of the average voter.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    I would like the people of thailand to wake up and see PT and the Shinawatra's for what they are, get rid of them and restart their search for progress.
    That depends what you mean by 'get rid of them'. If you mean you want them voted out at the next election, fine- suggest you have a word in the Democrats ear, they appear to be doing little to make this happen.

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    Thats rather impressive sabang. I didn't manage to mention mark once in my post or any other in this thread. yet your reply is littered with his name.

    I know this will come as a real shock to you. but it is quite possible to believe that PT and the taksin clan are a political dead end and simply mutton dressed as lamb; and at the same time not support the dems. This "if you don't support PT you must support the dems" bollocks is a little trick, false logic, your mind plays of itself in order to create the ad hominem's that allow you to maintain your current state of denial.

    Now personally I thought I was being as clear as fucking crystal about what I was saying, but then when dealing with someone who quote mines what he reads to make sure people say what he wants them to say... theres not a lot I can do really as this is a problem you need to deal with yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    That depends what you mean by 'get rid of them'.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    I would like the people of thailand to wake up and see PT and the Shinawatra's for what they are, get rid of them
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    And yes I can believe in this and not belive that the answer is a coup of any kind.... why would I, beyond the moral issues... they don't and never have worked anywhere
    There you are; Ive put the relivent bits in bold, to help you see them. so where was there any vagueness that I might think that anything other than a removal by popular vote would be a good idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    But if to you they are all the same (except Mark, of course), that is your opinion.
    so where did I give this impression that there was an exception for mark?, was it

    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    Personally I would like to see Thailand progress to become a fairer and more egalitarian society. None of the main political parties will achieve this
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    restart their search for progress.
    You see sabang in my world the word 'none' means without exception. If i thought that mark did offer some kind of way forwards I would have used the word 'most' or the phrase 'almost none'.

    Sabang, if you are going to comment on someones post, atleast read it and possibly the others they have made in the thread and comment on what they have actually said rather than what you would like them to have said.

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    Yingluck 'slighted' by rumours of reserve PM | Bangkok Post: news

    Yingluck 'slighted' by rumours of reserve PM

    AUCKLAND: Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has admitted she is resentful of news reports that she might be replaced by a "reserve" - widely tipped to be her elder sister Yaowapa Wongsawat.

    Ms Yingluck, however, said she would not be discouraged.

    The premier spoke to the Bangkok Post while on an official visit to New Zealand to strengthen trade and investment ties between the two countries.

    "There were reports that some people wanted to change the prime minister, and that a reserve premier has been prepared. I feel slighted. Please let me continue to work," she said.

    "There are still many things I want to do, including finding money for the country. I have been working hard, but it seems someone still wants a new prime minister.

    "I am not discouraged, but will use it as an energiser to work harder because a large number of people voted for me. Many people still love me.

    "I am still the prime minister, elected under a democratic system and therefore I must perform my duty for the Thai people as long as possible."

    It would not be easy to change a prime minister who was supported by the majority of voters, Ms Yingluck added.

    The prime minister admitted that she was not a good speaker but urged people to judge her by her performance. Many people with better oratorial skills may not work as hard, she said.

    In an opinion survey by Bangkok Poll on the issue of the replacement prime minister, most participants did not believe Ms Yaowapa would become prime minister if there were to be a political "accident" and Ms Yingluck could not perform the duty.

    The Research Centre at the Bangkok University, or Bangkok Poll, surveyed 1,123 people aged 18 or older in Bangkok and nearby provinces between March 19 and March 21.

    Asked whether they believed Ms Yaowapa would likely become premier, about 56% of the respondents did not think so while just under 44% said yes.

    The poll also found many people wanted some changes made to the cabinet line-up, especially the government's economic team.

    Asked which cabinet members they feel should be replaced if there were a reshuffle, 41% said economic ministers, 13.1% education affairs ministers, 12.8% security ministers, 6.8% said the social affairs minister and 5.8% said transport-related ministers.

    Meanwhile, National Security Council secretary-general Paradorn Patanatabut predicted yesterday that the political situation will heat up in late March and early April.

    Lt Gen Paradorn said he expects protests next week against the government's attempt to pass the bill to allow it to borrow 2 trillion baht to invest in the country's infrastructure .

    Demonstrations are also likely when Thailand and Cambodia attend International Court of Justice oral hearings on the Preah Vihear temple dispute on April 15-18.


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    Yaowapa expects a bumpy ride | Bangkok Post: news

    Yaowapa expects a bumpy ride

    Thaksin's sister Yaowapa still faces some internal hurdles to become a Chiang Mai MP

    Thaksin Shinawatra's younger sister Yaowapa Wongsawat may have a harder fight than many realise to win the upcoming Chiang Mai by-election for the ruling Pheu Thai Party.


    Yaowapa: Faces party opposition

    The party has had to deny allegations that Ms Yaowapa is being readied as a ''spare prime minister'' in case her younger sister Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra faces a ''political accident'' and loses her seat.

    The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) is investigating Ms Yingluck for asset concealment in connection with a loan of 30 million baht she made to a company in which her spouse, Anusorn Amornchat, was a shareholder.

    A Pheu Thai source said Ms Yaowapa is aware that the time may be near for her to step up to the plate, break out of her shell and be more assertive politically.

    Kasem Nimmonrat, considered a temporary MP for Chiang Mai, abruptly resigned in order to pave the way for Ms Yaowapa to take his place, according to critics.

    As a prime minister has to be an incumbent MP, it would help Ms Yaowapa to consolidate her party power if she were to stand in the poll and win office.

    If Ms Yaowapa accepts the party nomination to contest the seat, it should be a given that she will win as Chiang Mai is the ''capital'' of the red shirts who support Pheu Thai. The province is also the hometown of the Shinawatras.

    Her strong political roots in the constituency should make her a shoo-in for the House seat.

    However, the widening rift among the red shirt factions could change that.

    While many pundits think she will win, they also feel she will need to pull out all stops to secure the obligatory landslide victory.

    Pheu Thai is not as united as before. The MP group dominated by senior figure Yongyuth Tiyapairat appears to be keeping a distance from the party as he is said to have been excluded from having a say in its affairs.

    Some Pheu Thai MPs also do not agree with Ms Yaowapa running for MP as they feel she might be planning to take control of the party. Insiders who do not support Ms Yaowapa have thrown their support behind party seniors affiliated with Ms Yingluck.

    Analysts say the divisions within Pheu Thai and among its red-shirt factions require a mediator.

    But none deny Ms Yaowapa is the right candidate. She may have opponents in the party but being a sister of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who directs the party from Dubai, means many listen to her.

    Thaksin also needs someone to keep the party united and mollify the red shirts, whose support is vital for the government's survival.

    Though the prospect of Ms Yaowapa being PM is far from certain, the rumour of her aspiring to replace her younger sister could at least distract society from controversial issues such as the government's plan to borrow 2 trillion baht to finance the costliest infrastructure investment package in Thai history.

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    Yaowapa wins Chiang Mai's by-election - The Nation

    Yaowapa wins Chiang Mai's by-election

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    Chiang Mai April 22, 2013 1:00 am

    Yaowapa

    Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's elder sister Yaowapa Wongsawat, who is the Pheu Thai Party candidate for the by-election in Chiang Mai, has officially won the Doi Saket district in Constituency 3.

    The election result from three polling stations in Maung Ton Pao municipal district and Nong Kong school showed that No 2 Yaowapa led the other candidates, including No 3 Kingkarn na Chiang Mai of the Democrat Party, No 1 Taveesak Phupha of the Thai Rubber Party, and acting sub-lieutenant Taveep Yodseranee, No 4, from the Cooperative Power Party.

    Yaowapa secured 67,101 votes while Kingkarn received 21,372 votes. Taveesak received 2,456 votes and Taveep 977 .

    Yaowapa was elated by the result, saying that she had little time for the election campaign. She attributed the victory to Pheu Thai’s national policies.

    Bouquets of flowers were presented to the winner, including that of Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung. It was reported that she was invited to a private dinner at Commerce Minister Boonsong Teriyapirom’s residence in Chiang Mai.

    Meanwhile, Chiang Mai's election commissioner Praphan Naikowit said his agency had received five complaints. He said even if the investigation into the complaints was not completed within 30 days, he would announce the official election result.

    Chiang Mai's election commission director, Suchart Chaiphakdee, said he expected that more than 70 per cent of eligible voters had flocked to the polling station and cast their votes in the by-election. Vote counting was expected to finish by 7pm. A representative from Timor-Leste was an observer.

    The by-election in the Constituency 3 follows the resignation of Pheu Thai's Chiang Mai MP Kasem Nimmolrat last month. Yaowapa's decision to run in the by-election after serving her five-year political ban met with heavy criticism, especially from local red shirts who wanted the party to select a candidate by voting instead of opting for a Shinawatra family member.

    An independent academic Chamnarn Chanruang previously had said that while Chiang Mai is dominated by the Shinawatra clan, especially Constituency 3 spanning San Kamphaeng, Mae On and Doi Saket, the red shirts were not happy with the move to field Yaowapa. They wanted the candidate to be chosen through voting.

    Chamnarn said that though Yaowapa will win, she would getting fewer votes compared to Kasem last year, as many voters will choose to abstain rather than vote for her Democrat rival.

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