Thread: Pattaya: Teacher caning student clip goes viral

Originally Posted by astasinim

All I can say is, If they did that to my lad, then I would go into school and do the same to them and see if they like it.

If my lad isnt performing as he should, then speak to me and I`ll make sure there is no repeat, simple as.

Most teachers I have ever come across in the UK have some serious communication issues (with adults). The way I see it is, they left school and went to collage, then went to University and then started working in a school. They have absolutely no social skills and spent their entire life in the education system. Some of the best teachers I have ever met, have always come into it later in their life.

Hmm, so if your "little darling" give another pupil who was 3 years younger and 10kgs lighter than himself a playground pasting and got the cane for it, you would deal with the teacher in question "accordingly" eh? ,Really Interesting , cos it would set a very good example to your son!

unfortunately caning doesnt work ,he wont still do the homework and in 5 years time will be in Pattata with a .22 pistol firing rounds ,with a grudge and mugging tourists and generally being unruly .
another statistic in the ever increasing crime figures.
sadistic teachers dont have a clue .

I rest my case on the article within the link in my post #121 ,the "do gooders" and political correct idiots on this thread can blather on all they want, but the simple fact remains that infant and youth behavioral patters show an ever increasing spiral downwards ,both in the school and outside it, were violent crime is in plague proportions in our inner city,s ,and the administering of mind bending drugs to these products of modern day society has increased at a rapid pace in the last decade or so

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I rest my case

more of a duffel bag

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I rest my case

more of a duffel bag

Of course you can always prove the statistics in the link in my post 121 wrong!

Here's another for the Do gooders in society to completely ignore but cannot prove it wrong BBC News | EDUCATION | Bad parenting 'causes child crime'

Beating people does not lead to positive future behavior. Period.

It doesn't belong in schools. Schools need to be equipped with disciplinary methods and help from parents, which may or may not exist, but they must be civil.

Originally Posted by gaysexbyproxy

Beating people does not lead to positive future behavior. Period.

It doesn't belong in schools. Schools need to be equipped with disciplinary methods and help from parents, which may or may not exist, but they must be civil.

It would appear that help from many parents in the UK is non existent as the BBC article depicted all too well , and to be candid GSBP in my view this is were the problem lies , IMHO its up to the kids parents to set behavioral standards not the teachers, who in many cases are on a hiding to nothing both from unruly pupils and their parents who just could not give a toss ! !

I don't disagree with your observations there at all, Piwanoi, but as a teacher I think that it is absolutely inappropriate for schools to consider themselves surrogate parents. Instilling discipline, molding character, values and morality...these are the parents' or guardians' roles. If they fail in this matter, the priority should be thoughtful mitigation and setting positive examples for the students. (Ironically, Thai schools seem to have the exact opposite agenda, and the parents are all to keen to avoid their responsibilities, and when shit goes wrong point fingers of blame.)

But I genuinely believe that no teacher has a duty or right to strike a pupil or show extraordinary anger or exploit intimidation. It violates the principle of "do no harm" whether or not the intended result or eventual result are just and favorable.

Simple as that.

it is absolutely inappropriate for schools to consider themselves surrogate parents. Instilling discipline, molding character, values and morality...these are the parents' or guardians' roles.

School aren't surrogate parents but equally, the socialization of children is carried out by many institutions in addition to the family and the education system, and teachers in particular, obviously play an extremely important role in this. How that works out in practice is going to vary from time to time and culture to culture (large and small) but one very major role of teachers everywhere is instilling in children an understanding of the norms of their social group. And in my experience, that's very much the case in Thailand.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

instilling in children an understanding of the norms of their social group.

Violence, fear, intimidation, summary judgment, arbitrariness, lack of compassion, unwillingness to set a postive example...are these the norms you speak of?

Originally Posted by gaysexbyproxy

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

instilling in children an understanding of the norms of their social group.

Violence, fear, intimidation, summary judgment, arbitrariness, lack of compassion, unwillingness to set a postive example...are these the norms you speak of?

Those words might apply to many parents tooBBC News - Abused by their own children

Violence, fear, intimidation, summary judgment, arbitrariness, lack of compassion, unwillingness to set a postive example...are these the norms you speak of?

I'm not sure what point you're making. That the use of violence would establish those as norms? I agree. That's why I don't think teachers should batter their pupils.

This is quite an interesting article about Corporal punishment or lack of it in Britain,s Schools today BBC News | TALKING POINT | Should corporal punishment return to the classroom?

According to the crime statistics Corporal punishment appears to work extremely well in Singapore Business | Caning Case Prompts Look At Singapore's Tough Stand On Crime | Seattle Times Newspaper

Interesting chart of statistics for various crimes between Singapore were corporal punishment is widely practiced and Thailand were it is.ntCrime Comparison Between Thailand And Singapore. Safety Comparison.

I don't agree with the caning. Was it ever used in the West? I think Catholic schools in the past used to take rulers to students knuckles. That was 60 years ago. Thai schools have serous problems but this really isn't a big one. It happens and really is a lingering controversial technique which is mostly employed by teachers who lived under it themselves. At the school I was working in, I can say the quietest class and the class where students participated everytime when called was the one with the Thai guy in it using this technique. But I can also say that his kids weren't any more knowledgeable than the rest in their year. It might have been a good thing for them as it made them think about being a bit more respectful and mature. The next step from here was the world or if they were lucky further education. I know that several of his students from a year ago are now down in the Pattani base working as soldiers. They were weak students just the same when it came to school subjects. The schools, Thai culture and the heirarchical system are failing the students. All students that attend pass if you don't know already. The students just go through the motions the system and its soldiers have laid out for them. Students in the absolute worst classes take mostly the same subjects as the students in the brightest classes. This means the weakest student's record at graduation shows he took calculus and passed. In fact, this student couldn't even pass algebra I or geometry. Each year Thai students pass every subject. No one repeats a grade. The failure in the Thai system really has its roots in Bangkok and Thai society. The teachers have some to do with it and the parents as individual families and the student have little to do with it.


Most Thai families are not families in the western idea of raising children.

This is something I realized lately. It's true for most of Thailand but in Bangkok and some urban areas it isn't true. Most Thais come from villages in which live all of their relatives. When you raise a child with your relatives on the left, right, in back and across the street, it's almost impossible to have complete control over that kid especially in Thailand. The laidback attitude of Thai culture affects the family in this relationship. If a parent says 'No', the child can easily go to an uncle or aunt nearby who will say yes. And the parent will not be able to say anything. The responsibility for the child in these villages is not seen in the same way a western sees parents responsibility. Adults already accept this culture as normal and acceptable. They don't come into their home village with a plan to set the rules in the family expecting them to be final. They just don't think the same. Often families up country don't even eat together for meals. You might have dinner today with you aunt next door and the next with a uncle. Everything is very loose in the area where everyone is a relative. The family unit and family culture just doesn't exist in the same way it does for westerners, the Chinese in Thailand and city people who have been separated from their relatives. I just wanted to note this.

Teachers used to rap students over the knuckles with a ruler to correct the misbehavior over writing left-handed. Clearly they should bring that back too because look what has happened since they stopped... Bloody cack-handers everywhere!

Yoof of today, no respect!