Phuket mob surrounds British expat who hit motorcyclist

**boloa** · 04-03-2013, 06:13 PM

If he had travelled 30 meters after the impact ( hit the brakes on impact) he would be driving at about 80kmph ,which is too fast for residential area !!

**Looper** · 04-03-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by boloa

Never heard of him

It's the guy who owns Andaman Lighting.

Bribe negotiations will be a prolonged affair then.

That is the second time (after the red bull thai) that I have read of someone dragging a motorbike victim along the road while trying to flee the scene. Someone is so determined to get away with a culpable accident that they are willing to knowingly and intentionally do the victim much worse physical harm than the have already suffered. That is sickening behaviour and would be a guaranteed jail-term in any civilised society.

**Wizard of Oz** · 04-03-2013, 07:06 PM

Get a dashcam. No one can dispute the video, with speed and other things. I have one in the car, just for this sort of things. I would never ever go alone in my car without my wife, MIL or FIL, just in case and I have been hit twice by these 125cc jockeys who think they own the road. Now with the dashcam, feel a lot safer.

**Dillinger** · 04-03-2013, 07:13 PM

Your math is well out boloa. Did you pass your driving test in Thailand ? :-)

I make it less than 60 kmh

**boloa** · 04-03-2013, 07:20 PM

^ Yes you're correct

**piwanoi** · 04-03-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by Yasojack

As Bob mentioned, the guy looks very arrogant and aggressive,

...or possibly just being assertive, which can be important in such circumstances, especially if the fault lies with the "victim". Nowhere near enough information to have him hung drawn and quartered....

My ex had a couple of young teens come straight out at a junction and hit her pick-up. Crowd came out and fingered her as the culprit, demanding money as compensation for the damage to the bike. Fortunately for her, a policeman in the car behind witnessed the accident and stopped. If they try it on with a Thai from outside the village, just imagine what it's like for a farang. I think I would ask to be breathalysed in such circumstances to show I wasn't under the influence.

Maybe they should start by ascertaining whether the Young kid has a driving licence for openers,if, as I suspect he ain't got one ,then he has no legal right to be riding on the highway in the first place , and for sure I did not see a crash helmet at the scene of the accident ,in closing no one on this forum is aware of the true facts of this accident yet appear to stand in judgement , however only those with their heads up their arse are not acutely aware that the standard of driving here is non existent ,and in reality there is about as much chance of a Thai passing a UK driving test as there is of a 7 ton African bull Elephant hanging over a cliff with its bollocks attached to a daisy , day in day out over the last 9 years I have lived here I see Thai driving and riding procedures that to be quite frank defies logic , of course some might say that this is some how a "knee jerk" reaction (after 9 years???)

,however IMHO the continued slaughter on Thailands roads and the truly horrendous statistics that go with them , is just facing up to the truth however unpalatable it may be to the few "dreamers" on these boards

**DrAndy** · 04-03-2013, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Your math is well out boloa. Did you pass your driving test in Thailand ? :-)

I make it less than 60 kmh

but that is meaningless anyway

if he was drunk or decided to drive away, the distance has no connection to his speed

**DJ Pat** · 04-03-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Yasojack

Whilst expats have a go at Thais for there drink driving seems many expats seem to think the laws do not apply to them, so when they get caught and are punished harshly for there crime, many internet warriors wish to defend them.

**superman** · 04-03-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

in reality there is about as much chance of a Thai passing a UK driving test

A Thai can drive a car in the UK with a Thai license for 12 months. Thereafter he must apply for a UK license. No test required. Good ain't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyways the farang looks to be in the right as he's stopped inline with the road markings. Whereas the motorcycle is 90 degrees to the car. Indicating the motorcyclist cut across the car your honour.

**dirk diggler** · 04-03-2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

Get a dashcam. No one can dispute the video, with speed and other things. I have one in the car, just for this sort of things. I would never ever go alone in my car without my wife, MIL or FIL, just in case

Ffs man, I'm hearing things like this far too often on here.

Are you people living in FEAR in LOS??

**piwanoi** · 04-03-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Your math is well out boloa. Did you pass your driving test in Thailand ? :-)

I make it less than 60 kmh

but that is meaningless anyway

if he was drunk or decided to drive away, the distance has no connection to his speed

So far I ain't read any conclusive evidence that he was either drunk of decided to "do a Thai" and flee the scene!

**superman** · 04-03-2013, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Are you people living in FEAR in LOS??

Never driven in Korat at around school finishing time have you Dirk ?

**piwanoi** · 04-03-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by piwanoi

in reality there is about as much chance of a Thai passing a UK driving test

A Thai can drive a car in the UK with a Thai license for 12 months. Thereafter he must apply for a UK license. No test required. Good ain't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyways the farang looks to be in the right as he's stopped inline with the road markings. Whereas the motorcycle is 90 degrees to the car. Indicating the motorcyclist cut across the car your honour.

Not really aware of our Driving/ licence laws as far as foreigners go now a days Superman so of course I will take your word for it, however from what I have been viewing since 1989 on long term holidays and for the last 9 years here permanently in Thailand, I would categorically state that their chances of passing a UK Driving test is about the same as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest!

**dirk diggler** · 04-03-2013, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Are you people living in FEAR in LOS??

Never driven in Korat at around school finishing time have you Dirk ?

No, I've not. But I just mean fear in general, not limited to driving. Sometimes I read peoples' posts and I think to myself - You must be hating this.

**superman** · 04-03-2013, 08:24 PM

I have to admit that I felt safer living in the UK.

**peterb17** · 04-03-2013, 09:49 PM

Jesus this guy must have been going a fair lick to cause that much damage to his crappy Toyota - surprised he was not in a Fortuner ( is that how you spell it?) pleased the lad is not dead.
Totally agree- some expats seem to think they are immune of the law.

**Rural Surin** · 04-03-2013, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by boloa

A well-known British expat involved in a collision with a motorbike......Mr Martin Ian Potter, 48 years old, from England.

Never heard of him

As if, we were supposed to?
Random Farang. Random accident story.

**Wizard of Oz** · 04-03-2013, 10:08 PM

@Dirk, you have never driven in Thailand, that is obvious. I do not live in fear nor do I have a fear of driving, but in an accident, without any good knowledge of the Thai language, what ever happened, I'm the one to blame, even if they drive into the back of my car at 80km an hour.

You also have to remember that after a big crash, the cars would be all over the place, very hard if you only have Thai "witness statements". The Thai Police marks the position of the cars with a spray paint on the road (you can see them everywhere when driving in Thailand) but it says nothing how the accident occurred or who is to blame.

Same in this accident, yes from the photo it seems as the car just hit the motor bike full on the front, we do not know what went on just before the accident, maybe the motorbike just changed lanes or went into a side street or whatever. In this case it will be his word against the Thais, I have an idea who will be called "right"

I have lived in Alice Springs for quite a while. I you as a white person hit an Aboriginal, do not stop or get out of your car, just continue to the police station, avoid being lynched! or in their case stoned to death. Maybe, just after the accident and he saw the violent mob, he decided to continue. Maybe I would do the same.

Before I had the camera, I let the family do the talking. Never ever had a problem.

Now with the dashcam, yes I can venture out alone, if in an accident, I have everything recorded, time, date, speed, GPS coordinates, sound and video.

Also good if you get pulled over by police, pay the good man 100-1000 baht and later still get the photo in the mail with a bank account to put the money in. Now I have the evidence that I have already paid, with the policeman in the picture and sound recording of him asking for money, and me paying it.

For about 3,000 baht for a simple device to what I paid about 8,000 baht, with all the bells and whistles, well worth the investment IMHO.

But hey, that's me, please do as you think is best for you (if you ever drive in Thailand)

**dirk diggler** · 04-03-2013, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

@Dirk, you have never driven in Thailand, that is obvious.

I have driven extensively in Thailand on a daily basis from Sungai Kolok to Chiang Mai and almost everywhere in between over the years. I have been involved in accidents that have been my fault and not and dealt with the police without problems or undue expense.

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

I would never ever go alone in my car without my wife, MIL or FIL, just in case

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

Now with the dashcam, yes I can venture out alone

But you don't, do you?

You really are a prisoner to your own fear or paranoia.

Was this your wife/in-laws idea to keep an eye on your whereabouts?

**Rocksteady** · 04-03-2013, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Maybe they should start by ascertaining whether the Young kid has a driving licence for openers,if, as I suspect he ain't got one ,then he has no legal right to be riding on the highway in the first place , and for sure I did not see a crash helmet at the scene of the accident ,in closing no one on this forum is aware of the true facts of this accident yet appear to stand in judgement , however only those with their heads up their arse are not acutely aware that the standard of driving here is non existent ,and in reality there is about as much chance of a Thai passing a UK driving test as there is of a 7 ton African bull Elephant hanging over a cliff with its bollocks attached to a daisy , day in day out over the last 9 years I have lived here I see Thai driving and riding procedures that to be quite frank defies logic , of course some might say that this is some how a "knee jerk" reaction (after 9 years???) ,however IMHO the continued slaughter on Thailands roads and the truly horrendous statistics that go with them , is just facing up to the truth however unpalatable it may be to the few "dreamers" on these boards

What he said

**Wizard of Oz** · 05-03-2013, 03:14 AM

Oh Dirk..... Just pointing out the advantages of having a dashcam, that's it. If you dont have/want one and can wiggle your way out of any accident you had or will have on a Thai road, good on you.

I'm not the prisoner of my own fear and paranoia, I'm in the category, "better safe than sorry".

My wife and inlaws don't need to keep an eye on my whereabouts, as you wrote "but you don't venture out alone, do you......"

Happy driving!

**wasabi** · 05-03-2013, 03:32 AM

An International licence is for one year only in the U.K I do know a Thai lady who has been driving in the U.K for over 10 years on an International. She just gets it renewed in Thailand annually.

**BigRed** · 05-03-2013, 04:25 AM

^ an International licence has no meaning in the UK. A standard Thai licence is all that is required.

**ralphlsasser** · 05-03-2013, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by xanax

Will they be charging the 'victim' with driving a bike with no helmet?

I think we know the answer to that question.

**ralphlsasser** · 05-03-2013, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^I remember a couple of recent ones with fat, obviously drunk out of their minds, foreigners either sitting on the curb or leaning on the wreckage they had caused. They were appropriately blasted. I really don't think foreigners, tourists or 'ex-pats' who act like assholes - and there are lots - get cut any slack. Nor should they.

I agree Davis.

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