Thread: Bangkok: Cops demand money from shopowner in front of reporter

It won't change anything.

^^ The Metropolitan Police commissioner is Lt-General Khamronwit Thoopkrajang

You might recall he received his award from Thaksin personally. The photos of which were on the wall in his office. Caused a bit of a fuss at the time.....which of course went away......

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...light=kamonrit (Thaksin photo leads to questions for police chief)

Which included a strange incident where a posse of policemen (200!) suddenly appeared and scuffled with Democrat supporters....he denied involvement of course....

Police, Democrat supporters in clash - The Nation

MPB chief says Thaksin ties personal, not political | Bangkok Post: news

Police chief denies roping in officers | Bangkok Post: news

Of course his buddy, Chalerm came to the rescue and he didn't lose his job....

Chalerm ends Kamronwit job rumour | Bangkok Post: news

There were also some rumours about the below in relation to him too, all unfounded I'm sure....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ght=Khamronwit (Thailand: Prominent Democrat severely assaulted, in critical condition)

You might also recall that this is the same man who signed the approval for Chalerm's interesting son to become a "shooting trainer" in the police force....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ght=Khamronwit (Duang Yubamrung: Chalerm’s son now police officer)

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Chalerm

Chalerm’s son now police officer

• Published: 27/07/2012 at 05:02 PM
• Online news:

The Royal Thai Police Office on Friday approved a request from the Defence Ministry to transfer Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung's youngest son Duang, a once-discharged army lieutenant, to a position as a junior commissioned officer in the Metropolitan Police Bureau.

The approval was signed by Metropolitan Police Bureau chief Khamronwit Thoopkrachang.

Finally, well for now, there's this too, where he is using 13 police officers to investigate the "core" Democrats, after Thaksin filed a defamation case against them....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post2252978 (Thaksin, defamation: 13 cops tasked with investigating core Democrats)

Yeah, that's right....

There's more...but I'm sure you get the picture....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

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The sergeant appeared stunned upon learning of Banjong's identity. However, he said, "My boss in fact receives more money than me and other [officers]. The money I collected is for the boss - we got a very small sum.

Shameless, he even moans about not getting enough from the extortion

Police officer removed and two sergeants detained pending investigation - The Nation

Police officer removed and two sergeants detained pending investigation

February 11, 2013 2:40 pm

A police officer allegedly involving in extorting money from a shop owner has been removed to headquarters while two sergeants have been put into detention for 30 days, city police chief Pol Lt Gen Kamronwit Thoopkrajang said Monday.

The incident hit the headlines today, as it took place in front of a television journalist who was talking to the owner of the men's clothing store at the time.

Banjong Cheewamongkonkarn, a journalist with Nation TV, wrote on his Facebook page on Sunday that he was talking to the owner of the Bovorn Fashion shop in the Si Phraya area when two police officers walked into the shop. One of them demanded of the owner: "Do you have the present money?"

The owner told them to return later as the time was not right. He finally told police about Banjong after they refused to go. They looked stunned and one of them said, "My boss in fact receives more money than me and other [officers]. The money I collect is for the boss - we get a very small sum." However, both officers left the shop. The incident was recorded by the shop’s security cameras.

Kamronwit said an investigative panel would be set up to look into the allegation. Bang Rak police station would launch a probe into the case before submitting a report to headquarters.

Meanwhile Pol Gen Adul Saengsingkaew, commissioner general of Royal Thai Police refused to comment, saying he would wait for results of the investigation. When asked to comment on the policeman's claim that the money was for the boss, he repeated that he wanted to wait for the results of the investigation.

Kamronwit said an investigative panel would be set up to look into the allegation

So will they investigate the allegations that he is the biggest crook receiving the most money? Will he remove himself to detention for 30 days? Will he be transferred to another post where he can continue his extortion? lol

They will probably hit the offices of 'The Nation', demanding that these stories are suppressed.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

two sergeants have been put into detention for 30 days

While in there, they must write out "I must not get caught." 10,000 times each.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

It won't change anything.

All this contradicts itself.
When the mainstream media is on the take as well.

Cops caught asking for bribe | Bangkok Post: breakingnews

Cops caught asking for bribe

• Published: 11 Feb 2013 at 18.55
• Online news:

A police inspector was transferred to an inactive post and two other officers were held behind bars on Monday after a video of two policemen demanding money from a tailor shop owner surfaced on the internet.

A security camera captured three men, two wearing police uniforms, arriving at a tailor shop in Si Phraya, Bang Rak district on their motorbikes, reports said.



The officers then had a chat with the owner, Porn (surname not given), before leaving moments later.

The individuals were identified as an inspector of the suppression unit, the man without a uniform, and two police officers. All three were from the Bangrak Police Station.

A news reporter from The Nation, Banjong Chiwamongkol (wearing a red t-shirt), was sitting in the store during the incident.

He said the policemen came into the store and demanded money from Mr Porn, saying that he needed to pay them as part of the "tae-ear", giving money in a red envelope, tradition for Chinese New Year.

The inspector said to Mr Porn, "Do you have any 'tae-ear' for us?"

The store owner replied, "Could you come back later? This is not a good time for this." However, the cops persisted, Mr Banjong explained.

He said he later spoke to the police officers and said, "I recently heard that the deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Bureau had strictly forbidden police from demanding 'tae-ear' from people?"

The policemen immediately backed off and joked about the incident, saying they only get part of the money and that most of it goes to upper-rank police officers, Mr Banjong said. The three left soon after.

Pol Lt Gen Kamronwit Toopkrajang, commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, called in Pol Col Ratchapol Boonnat, superintendent of Bangrak police station, for questioning.

Pol Col Ratchapol said he had already identified the men in the video and had taken action against them.

Police pair who sought 'Ang Pao' detained - The Nation

Police pair who sought 'Ang Pao' detained

PATINYA IAMTARN
THE NATION February 12, 2013 1:00 am


Two police were detained yesterday for 30 days after they were witnessed by a Nation TV reporter trying to extort ang pao - a gift of money given at Chinese New Year - from a tailor's shop on Sunday in Bangkok's Si Phraya area.

"We have to wait for the investigation result from the Metropolitan Police Bureau. So far, they appear to have breached discipline," police chief Adul Saengsingkaew said. "I issued an order earlier, prohibiting police from taking ang pao."

Pol Lt Gen Khamronwit Thoopkrajang, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, said Pol Lt Colonel Phongsak Subindee, Bang Rak station's superintendent on crime suppression was transferred to an inactive post for 30 days, while Pol Snr Sgt Majors Prasarn Koeymunag and Anuchit Muenyuth, who were caught on the shop's security cameras demanding money for Chinese New Year from the owner, were detained for 30 days.

A fact-finding panel has been formed to probe the matter in parallel with the investigation by Bang Rak police.

The footage also showed some other people in the suit shop. Khamronwit said, without proof, that the others were police volunteers.

Banjong Cheewamongkonkarn of Nation TV wrote on Facebook he was talking to the owner of Bovorn Fashion when the two walked in and asked the owner. "Do you have the gift money?"

The officers said they wanted red packets, but the owner tried to say it was a bad time - as Banjong was a journalist. The two told Banjong their boss got more money than them and they were getting cash for their boss.

Adul said the probe would need to finish before deciding if the two should be charged for taking bribes or if superiors were involved.

The shop owner, Thanes Khamchum, said it was the first time policemen asked for anything from him, after opening this shop four years ago.

"If you ask me if I am afraid about the whole thing now becoming public, I am worried. But everything is based on |truth, there is nothing fabricated about it.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The shop owner, Thanes Khamchum, said it was the first time policemen asked for anything from him, after opening this shop four years ago.

Fuck you too lying shop owner. Your spinelessness is part of the problem.

Chalerm: Police can ask for tae-ear during Chinese New Year | Bangkok Post: breakingnews

Chalerm: Police can ask for money

• Published: 12 Feb 2013 at 12.50
• Online news:

Policemen can ask for a gift of money during the Chinese New Year because it is a tradition and is not considered a bribe, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung said on Tuesday.


Deputy Prime Minister in charge of security affairs Chalerm Yubamrung (Photo by Pawat Laopaisarntaksin)

Mr Chalerm was responding to questions after a security camera captured three police officers demanding money from an Indian tailor's shop owner surfaced on the internet.

"It is not unusual for police to ask for tae-ear (a red envelope filled with money as a Chinese New Year gift from working age adults). This has been a practice since before I served in the police.

"I don't think a change of regulations is needed because of this," said the former police captain.

However, he said, the three officers were at fault because they wanted tae-ear from an Indian, not a Chinese. The officers would be prosecuted if they demanded bribes or extorted money by making threats.

"I'm not protecting the police because this is a part of society, of tradition," Mr Chalerm said.

Policemen can ask for a gift of money during the Chinese New Year because it is a tradition and is not considered a bribe,

...ah yes, however gifts are gratefully received but never asked for, if asked for, the gift becomes a bribe.

chalerms statements are classic thai-isms. twisting the facts to suit ones agenda and to deny guilt, error and responsibility.

in civilised countries bullshit like this would raise tsunamis of derision from the press and the public.

Originally Posted by Chalerm

Policemen can ask for a gift of money during the Chinese New Year because it is a tradition

Yes ,Thailand has a deep rooted Tradition/Culture of Corruption

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

However, he said, the three officers were at fault because they wanted tae-ear from an Indian, not a Chinese.

At least it isn't just honkeys that get singled out for special treatment!

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"I'm not protecting the police because this is a part of society, of tradition," Mr Chalerm said.

So Thai people fully adopt Chinese traditions as their own?

Thai police read Mafia , no differance.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

There's more...but I'm sure you get the picture....

The many incidents you post highlight the correlation between the incidents of perverted use of power and connections you posted of Thailand today with that of Feudal Europe!

Only instead of knights on horses dressed in chain mail and the colours of their Leige, taxing, raping, murdering and burning out the peasants to exact the last mite a family may have burried under the mud floor of their 'cottage', it's bib sent out by the head honcho in a patrol car!

Originally Posted by xanax

Shameless, he even moans about not getting enough from the extortion

See above!

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So will they investigate the allegations that he is the biggest crook receiving the most money? Will he remove himself to detention for 30 days? Will he be transferred to another post where he can continue his extortion?
lol

^^ is your answer, sadly

Originally Posted by taxexile

Chalerm: Police can ask for money Published: 12 Feb 2013 at 12.50 Online news: Policemen can ask for a gift of money during the Chinese New Year because it is a tradition and is not considered a bribe, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung said on Tuesday.

Next Chalerm will be awarding the right of the local 'war lord' first go at any woman wed on his turf:

The French expression Droit du seigneur roughly translates as "right of the lord", but native French prefer the terms droit de jambage ("right of the leg") or droit de cuissage ("right of the thigh"), in reference to the exercise of this supposed right. The term is often used synonymously with jus primae noctis /ʒʌs ˈpraɪmiː ˈnɒktɨs/,[2] which is Latin for "right of the first night".

Originally Posted by Rocksteady

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

There's more...but I'm sure you get the picture....

The many incidents you post highlight the correlation between the incidents of perverted use of power and connections you posted of Thailand today with that of Feudal Europe!

Only instead of knights on horses dressed in chain mail and the colours of their Leige, taxing, raping, murdering and burning out the peasants to exact the last mite a family may have burried under the mud floor of their 'cottage', it's bib sent out by the head honcho in a patrol car!

Perhaps you should read a bit more history, codes of chivalry, Magnacarta [ can't spell it ] House of Keyes Isle of Mann One of of the kings of Scotland. I am here by the will of the people.
Don't think Democratic has got better since the Greeks.
Jim

Originally Posted by nevets

Thai police read Mafia , no differance.

And they seem to work in oblivious tandem.
Everyone understands this. Quite accepted.


It is what it is.

Cops just chose 'wrong shop' - The Nation

Cops just chose 'wrong shop'

THE NATION February 13, 2013 1:00 am


Ang pao is Thai tradition, Chalerm says, but shop-owner was Indian

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday played down the case of three police who demanded ang pao from a suit shop, saying there was nothing wrong with people giving ang pao.

Chalerm, who supervises the Royal Thai Police, said it was impossible to prevent police from receiving ang pao or gift-money from Chinese businessmen on the occasion of the Chinese New Year. Businessmen or shop owners, he said, were willing to offer the gifts.

Chalerm said the case of three police from Bang Rak station, who made headlines because they went to beg for gift money, just involved the "wrong shop" - as it had an Indian owner, not a Chinese.

On Sunday, the three police were caught on a security camera in the suit shop demanding ang pao from the shop owner in front of a Nation television journalist.

"They shouldn't have asked for it. They asked for it at the wrong place. Chinese New Year is a celebration for Chinese people - but they asked for ang pao from an Indian shop owner. They were not smart. It became an issue because they went to the wrong place," Chalerm said.

The deputy PM said the three officers would have been regarded as having committed wrongdoing if they had extorted the money or forced the shop owner to pay them.

"In that case, action would have been taken against them - and if their action warranted firing, they would not be spared," Chalerm said.

The three police walked away without receiving the money after the shop owner told them that a reporter was present.

Chalerm said he was not defending the three police but he would never be able to do away with the practice of police receiving ang pao money from Chinese businessmen or shop owners.

"This is a social norm. They always give gift money on the occasion of Chinese New Year," Chalerm said.

The deputy prime minister said he did not believe the three officers were collecting the money for their boss but simply making a claim to ask for money.

"It's just a specific case for these officers. So, please don't play it up," Chalerm said.

Asked if he would reform the Royal Thai Police following a series of scandals involving police - including charges that a senior officer hunted with poachers in a national park - Chalerm said it was normal to have a small number of bad cops among the good ones.

"There are a lot of police officers, so some are bad. The wrongdoers must be punished while the ones with good performances must receive rewards," Chalerm said.

"There's no need to overhaul the Royal Thai Police. Police are now enjoying a good image. Only some low-ranking officers are bad and they need to be punished."

The Metropolitan Police have increased the penalties on the three police - a crime suppression inspector and two police senior sergeant majors.

Pol Maj General Wallop Prathummuang, the commander of Metropolitan Police Division 6, said a fact-finding panel from his division decided to increase the detention penalty against Pol Lt Col Pongsak Subindee, an inspector of the Bang Rak police, from three days to seven. He will also be seconded to an inactive position at the Metropolitan Police head office for 180 days.

Wallop said Pol Sen Sgt Maj Prasarn Koeimuang and Pol Sen Sgt Maj Anuchit Muenyuth would also see their detention penalty increased. They will also be seconded to inactive positions at Metropolitan Police Division 6.

Wallop said Metropolitan Police Commissioner Pol Lt General Khamronwit Thoopkrajang had approved the increased penalties.

Royal Thai Police spokeman Pol Maj General Piya Uthayo said police would provide protection for the suit shop owner.

Wallop said the disciplinary probes and actions against the three were over now that they had been disciplined.

He said Bang Rak station chief Pol Col Ratchapol Bunnag had testified to the investigative panel that he did not order his subordinates to demand the money, so he would not face any investigation.