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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    you tell 'em Flight19, wish you were my boss....
    String 'em up, that's the only language they understand.

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    Yeah, I agree, gotta let the little people know who is boss.....

    And grassing him up to some piece is shit copper who will feed his fat face with whiskey is the best way to reinforce the point as well!!
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    ^don't think you would last very long working for F19

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    Never had one refuse to take me for a ride.....
    Surprising! A taxi refusing to go to your destination is standard fare in BKK.
    What I meant is that. When they refuse, you offer more to sweeten the prospects of being taken for a ride.
    Yep, you are correct there.

    So it seems now having to offer a sweetener or accept an off meter 200 baht ride will be worthy of a fine. Maybe a call to the agency while enjoying the extra charges.

    Where can one get a list of these 13 offenses in Thai and English.

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    To those who think Bkk taxis are cheap and the salt of the earth-try getting one outside of Central world and see if a. they will take you at all and b. if they will use a meter even if they will take you. If you think 500 baht is a fare price to democracy monument for example, then you are the type these drivers will just love just love. Around Prahtunam/Central world must be the worst areas for taxi's. Tourists are routinely fleeced.

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    Good job we aren't tourists.

    Never had a problem in either location.

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    Taxis in BKK get a shitty deal. For me, I understand 100% why they refuse some fares. Let's be fair here. Up their minimum fare to 50-60bt - they wouldn't be saying shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Good job we aren't tourists.

    Never had a problem in either location.
    If there was not a problem, there would be no need for a law. Many get fleeced without knowing it.

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    Of all the things to bitch about in Thailand, Bkk taxis surely cannot be on the radar.

    Cheap as chips, there are the odd ones that won't take you where you want to go at peak periods, but for the peanuts they make I sympathise. It only takes a coupla minutes to get one that will, at next to nothing.

    The biggest non-issue in Thailand, by a country mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat
    only twice at Kao San Road for obvious reasons.
    were you hanging out of your cousins arse at the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    What would be a lot more useful is a complete ban on taxis parking at bus stops waiting for fares. This has proven to be dangerous as the buses have to park well away from the curb. It also causes traffic jams as a result of road constriction. A real pain in the arse where I live.
    Absolutely agree. It causes major traffic fcuck-ups at Central Pinklao which are completely avoidable. Taxi ranks near but not at bus-stops where social convention dictates that the taxi that arrives first gets the passenger would be good. But there doesn't seem to be the social solidarity among either drivers or passengers for this to happen without training.

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    All people that react and say they understand that taxi drivers don't wanna get stuck in a traffic jam... Bangkok is a congested place at ANY time of the day, there are traffic jams everywhere, if they don't like it, go drive a taxi in Alice Springs, no traffic jams there. To highlight that they don't care to be in a traffic jam, once had to go to Chaeng Wattanaa( not quite sure if it is the right spelling) on the way to this place we asked the driver to take the toll ways, no problem, ride took just over half an hour. On the way back asked the same, taxi driver said, NO! WTF? Now not busy.... Took an hour and a half and the taxi fare was twice! The amount we paid on the way down!

    To be honest they should be strict like in Australia, if the taxi, doesn't look like a new car, you can't drive it . Some taxi's in BKK are absolutely disgusting! Or taxi drivers trying to "shave" themselves with tweezers all the way, picking their nose, looking at their pick and then consuming it, clearing their throat a zillion times etc. Sure there are a lot of good taxi drivers, driving clean taxi's and courteous all the way. But let's get the total dirty morons off the road.

    Best thing ever happenend when getting back from Pantip Plaza, long line of people wanting to get a taxi. When it was our turn to get in, taxi driver didn't want to go to our hotel, police officer that was there just told the taxi driver to drive on, couldn't take (pick) another fare, taxi driver tried to argue with police officer, but no way, he had to drive on, taxi driver wasn't pleased at all, probably waited 20 minutes in the big line to get a fare, now he had nothing! sure enough the next taxi took us back to the hotel.
    If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Of all the things to bitch about in Thailand, Bkk taxis surely cannot be on the radar.

    Cheap as chips, there are the odd ones that won't take you where you want to go at peak periods, but for the peanuts they make I sympathise. It only takes a coupla minutes to get one that will, at next to nothing.

    The biggest non-issue in Thailand, by a country mile.
    Not the case, at all.

    I live in lower Sukhumvit Rd and daily experience the lottery of hailing a taxi. Eight years ago, or so, with perhaps the notable exception of the Khao San Rd area at chucking out time, I never asked the driver if he would take me before actually getting into the cab. The assumption then was the cabbie would take one anywhere within reason in the inner environs of Bangkok and one that was pretty well accepted by all.

    Now, no one actually gets into a cab without first getting agreement from the cabbie. Irrespective of the destination, this process begins with you asking him if he will take you, the door is half ajar and you crouch down with your bestest, beamiest smile full of promise that a gratuity is implicit in the transaction. He looks at you, turns back to face the road and ponders for a moment before either giving a peremptory shake of the head or a an almost imperceptible nod of assent. There is no logic whatsoever to his decision. His deliberations will take place at any time of day or night, rain or shine and regardless of where you want to go he will have to ponder upon a decision that is akin to one following an offer of marriage.

    In extremis, my wife has been driven to hanging onto the door demanding to know why he won't take us a mile down the road but invariably the driver just gets angry and retorts that he just doesn't want to. There is no rhyme or reason to their attitude these days - it's simply caprice.

    The explanation offered by some that they don't want to become mired in a rot thit is implausible: on many occasions I have hailed a cab which is already in the fucking jam that is downtown Sukhumvit and only wanted to go half a mile with some shopping and the bastards have still declined the fare.

    A case in point in demonstrating how tiresome it is all becoming was my trip to Laksi yesterday. It's a good fare, via the tollway and worth at least 200 bt plus a good tip ( I try to get away with the one that he should stay away from loose women but the wife says this humour may not travel well ). It took us 40 minutes and 6 attempts before a cab would accept the fare. My wife discussed this with our driver and even he said he couldn't explain it but did offer the condolence that it wasn't good practice.

    Incidentally, notifying the police under the forthcoming new rule will not assist. One of the chickenheads in giving a reason why he wouldn't take us told my wife he didn't know where Laksi was! Actually, this nearly caused a bit of a problem because the distaff implied he was an idiot and the driver, who was in the process of pulling away, slammed on his brakes and started shouting. Luckily, our saviour had already pulled up behind him and we thankfully made our getaway.

    Compare this with Singapore and one justs gives a sigh and adds to the ever increasing list of reasons why Thailand is becoming a terrible bore.

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    Now, no one actually gets into a cab without first getting agreement from the cabbie.
    No one? I do..... Always. My rule in that area is never deal with a taxi sitting still. Taxis on the move are just fine. I don't give the ones sitting still the option to refuse.

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    Bobcok, I've given up with this practice, it's quite simply too undignified to scrabble back out and to deal with overt rejection by a life form somehwere between an amoeba and a Bonobo ape is just so humiliating. Empirical study suggests my experiences are not unique and, in any event, the cabbie now seems to lean over as he pulls up indicating he wishes to communicate through his open passenger window.

    Why people should seek to minimise what is a growing problem sufficient for the BMA et al to address it is beyond me. They are causing all sorts of daily hassle for hundreds of folk and as others are highlighting it all contributes to congestion on the roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    No one? I do.....
    without elaborating on every detail, you are a chump

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    Hahaha....twat

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    this new crackdown has nothing to do with reducing the inconvenience to bobcock, thegent et al as they struggle in the tropical heat and monsoon downpours to commute between the emporium, o'learys bar and centralworld, and will do nothing to reduce refusals to customers by cabbies who need to get their cabs back on time or who just dont want to go where you would like them to.

    this, according to the thai media, is about the cab drivers who park up all day in front of hotels, shopping centres, tourist attractions and condos, blocking the flow of traffic and parking spaces and refusing to take thai passengers on the meter, but who will sit and wait for foreign passengers in order to extort them on the fare.

    it is purely about reducing the inconvenience to thais, but it will be business as usual for tourists and expats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    his new crackdown has nothing to do with reducing the inconvenience to bobcock
    I don't have any inconveniences, I think it all just works fine.

    Luckily I don't live in the sad sad world of the poor oppressed taxi passengers of TD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo
    without elaborating on every detail, you are a chump
    And you are a grade 'A' tosser. Sue me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    this new crackdown has nothing to do with reducing the inconvenience to bobcock, thegent et al as they struggle in the tropical heat and monsoon downpours to commute between the emporium, o'learys bar and centralworld, and will do nothing to reduce refusals to customers by cabbies who need to get their cabs back on time or who just dont want to go where you would like them to.

    this, according to the thai media, is about the cab drivers who park up all day in front of hotels, shopping centres, tourist attractions and condos, blocking the flow of traffic and parking spaces and refusing to take thai passengers on the meter, but who will sit and wait for foreign passengers in order to extort them on the fare.

    it is purely about reducing the inconvenience to thais, but it will be business as usual for tourists and expats.
    Tax, it's all the same. The virus has spread uncontrollably over the past 6 years. It's the thin end of the wedge, a shot across their bows and just another way the embryonic authority that could be Thailand flexing their muscles against the Mafia.
    There is a war now. And if the good guys persist, they might win. Bangkok is a line in the sand that is not Phuket. This month they have to sign up to the money laundering law otherwise you won't get the next bung from the Isle of Man....
    Thailand will have to grow up and if they can't even control a bunch of chickenheads in the capital then it's curtains. They know this but as ever its a balancing act. Interesting times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Of all the things to bitch about in Thailand, Bkk taxis surely cannot be on the radar.

    Cheap as chips, there are the odd ones that won't take you where you want to go at peak periods, but for the peanuts they make I sympathise. It only takes a coupla minutes to get one that will, at next to nothing.

    The biggest non-issue in Thailand, by a country mile.
    Not the case, at all.

    I live in lower Sukhumvit Rd and daily experience the lottery of hailing a taxi. Eight years ago, or so, with perhaps the notable exception of the Khao San Rd area at chucking out time, I never asked the driver if he would take me before actually getting into the cab. The assumption then was the cabbie would take one anywhere within reason in the inner environs of Bangkok and one that was pretty well accepted by all.

    Now, no one actually gets into a cab without first getting agreement from the cabbie. Irrespective of the destination, this process begins with you asking him if he will take you, the door is half ajar and you crouch down with your bestest, beamiest smile full of promise that a gratuity is implicit in the transaction. He looks at you, turns back to face the road and ponders for a moment before either giving a peremptory shake of the head or a an almost imperceptible nod of assent. There is no logic whatsoever to his decision. His deliberations will take place at any time of day or night, rain or shine and regardless of where you want to go he will have to ponder upon a decision that is akin to one following an offer of marriage.

    In extremis, my wife has been driven to hanging onto the door demanding to know why he won't take us a mile down the road but invariably the driver just gets angry and retorts that he just doesn't want to. There is no rhyme or reason to their attitude these days - it's simply caprice.

    The explanation offered by some that they don't want to become mired in a rot thit is implausible: on many occasions I have hailed a cab which is already in the fucking jam that is downtown Sukhumvit and only wanted to go half a mile with some shopping and the bastards have still declined the fare.

    A case in point in demonstrating how tiresome it is all becoming was my trip to Laksi yesterday. It's a good fare, via the tollway and worth at least 200 bt plus a good tip ( I try to get away with the one that he should stay away from loose women but the wife says this humour may not travel well ). It took us 40 minutes and 6 attempts before a cab would accept the fare. My wife discussed this with our driver and even he said he couldn't explain it but did offer the condolence that it wasn't good practice.

    Incidentally, notifying the police under the forthcoming new rule will not assist. One of the chickenheads in giving a reason why he wouldn't take us told my wife he didn't know where Laksi was! Actually, this nearly caused a bit of a problem because the distaff implied he was an idiot and the driver, who was in the process of pulling away, slammed on his brakes and started shouting. Luckily, our saviour had already pulled up behind him and we thankfully made our getaway.

    Compare this with Singapore and one justs gives a sigh and adds to the ever increasing list of reasons why Thailand is becoming a terrible bore.
    You seem to have lost sight of the fact that quality (of service, in this case) has a price. The quality : price ratio of Bkk taxis are exceptional.

    If it irks you so, just wave a few 1000 Bht notes around and you'll be swamped with friendly, willing servants straining at the leash to treat you like the superior being you are.

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    http://61.19.244.31/centerweb/newsen...C5508310010014

    Transport Ministry supports traffic police’s new penalty for taxis




    Date : 31 สิงหาคม 2555

    BANGKOK, 31 August 2012 (NNT) - Deputy Transport Minister Chatchart Sithiphan disclosed that he agreed with the traffic police’s introduction of a new penalty for taxi drivers who refuse service to passengers.

    Mr Chatchart said he believed the new measure will effectively solve the long-standing problem and reduce the number of complaints lodged with the ministry and other government agencies.

    The newly issued penalty includes arrests and fines for the incompliant taxi drivers without a prior warning, effective from Sept 1.

    Passengers who have been refused service can submit the offending taxis’ registration numbers along with their complaints to the police directly, instead of the Department of Land Transport.

    The new law has added one more traffic code violation, which is refusal of service, to the previous 12 traffic penalties that requires immediate arrest.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Police warn cab drivers, offer safe driving tips | Bangkok Post: news

    Police warn cab drivers, offer safe driving tips

    Taxi drivers who refuse passengers will be liable to arrest and immediate fines from Saturday, traffic police announced on Friday -- and also offered eight tips for safer driving.

    Pol Col Weerawit Wajjanapukka, chief of the Traffic Police Division's ticket information centre, said unhappy passengers could now file a complaint directly to the 1197 hotline without having to submit their complaints to the Department of Land Transport as before.

    He said if a taxi refuses to take the passenger, he or she must immediately report to the nearest police station.

    The complainants must inform police of the taxi's registration number and colour of the car.

    If possible, he said, complainants should record the conversation on their cell phones for use as evidence.

    Pol Col Weerawit warned that the recording should be done discreetly to make sure that the taxi driver does not react violently.

    Complainants can call the traffic police hotline 1197 or log on to www.publicpolice.go.th to place their complaints.


    Photo by Surapol Promsaka na Sakolnakorn

    With the new law to poised to take effect, netizens have compiled most common excuses used by cabbies to deny services.

    1. "I've to return the cab to the garage" is by far the most common excuse that people come across. Many people have pointed out that a taxi driver who is no longer providing service on that day should turn off their "vacant" sign so that people do not waste their time and can look for other cabs.

    2. "The car needs refueling".

    3. The driver changes his mind mid-way and drops the passenger off, claiming that the traffic is too bad to go through. Many people pointed out that traffic congestion in the city is normal and if the driver wants to avoid traffic jams they should quit driving in the city altogether.

    4. Taxis parked in front of malls and bus terminals are selective of their passengers, and frequently claim the destination is too near and they don’t make any money for the trip. These drivers are usually mafia-types and normal cabs are threatened do not to get in the queue.

    5. "The trip is too far, you have to pay extra". Many cab drivers trying to make extra money force passengers to pay more than the normal meter fare. Even though they do not deny service, demanding more money is also unlawful. These demands are often made to passengers travelling at night trying to get home, or people who are in a hurry. Passengers are usually forced to oblige and pay 50 to 100 baht more for the convenience.

    6. Taxis that only accept foreigners as passengers. These types of taxis are found near tourist areas. Many usually do not turn on their meteres and charge excessive fare. Then there are those who turn on their meter but drive around town before reaching the destination, often close by, to increase the fare on the meter for visitors who are not familiar with the roads and streets.

    7. Some just park on the side of the road, rudely waving off passengers without any explanation. Netizens said these people are "rich enough, they do not need to woo passengers to make a living".


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    Pol Col Weerawit said Bangkok traffic police also have eight points of advice for motorists as the number of cars on the city's roads continues to soar, and with it the possibility of more road accidents and traffic related violence.

    He advised motorists to follow these eight tips to happier motoring:

    1. Flashing high beams several times at another driver could get you shot.

    Flashing of lights is generally a signal asking the car in front to give way, but flashing your lights several times could lead to a fight and someone could end up hurt, or worse. A good example is the case where a hot-headed boy shot and killed an air force officer who flashed his lights asking the boy to give way.

    2. To cut in front of somebody is to cut short your life.

    Frustrated by traffic jams, drivers could lose their temper when another vehicle suddenly cuts in front of them. It's a common scenario, he said. The agrieved driver then reciprocates and cuts in front of the other car, which could result in an accident. It could also end up in a brawl.

    3. Don’t bother a teenage motorcycle gang blocking your way, contact police as soon as you see them.

    It is very common to see them in a large group during the night. Motorcycle racing is very common on the streets. Call 191 as soon as you see them. Do not yell insults at them, or you could be beaten up.

    4. Making illegal turns could get you into trouble.

    Motorists should activate their signal lights well before making a turn, to avoid accidents and causing traffic congestion.

    5. Do not turn on your fog lights, or secondary driving lights, unless needed.

    Many people believe that turning on their fog lights does not bother anybody. But they can cause a problem for the driver in the car ahead of you and should be used only when there is a lot of fog or when driving in heavy rain.

    6. Xenon lights are not cool, they can get you beaten up.

    Xenon lights are not illegal but they can be very annoying to other motorists, and flashes and glares from the light can hurt their eyes and disrupt their driving. Moreover, drivers annoyed by the lights could pick a fight with you.

    7. Properly prepare both yourself and your car.

    Both the car and the driver must be in a fit condition to travel. This includes a healthy mind and attitude on the part of the driver. Do not get easily frustrated and do not allow anger to take control. It could cause an ccident, or other trouble that you don’t want.

    8. Get a grip.

    Clear conscience is important when you are on the road. Drinking and driving is not recommended. Most importantly, do not violate traffic laws and be civil when sharing the road with other drivers, or else it could lead to a fight or worse, even murder.

    Pol Col Weerawit said these eight steps can be applied by both novice and veteran drivers. By following these rules motorists could avoid accidents as well as avoid getting into an unwanted, possibly fatal, brawl.

    “People are very hot headed these days. A little argument can turn into a fight to the death. People must learn to control their anger,” he warned.

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    Flashing high beams several times at another driver could get you shot.
    but flashing your lights several times could lead to a fight
    or you could be beaten up.
    end up in a brawl.
    could pick a fight with you.
    or else it could lead to a fight or worse, even murder
    .

    getting into an unwanted, possibly fatal, brawl.
    incredible comments from a police chief
    says something about the thai personality, and the impotence of the thai police, judicial system, parenting, education and in controlling its dark side.

    rip thai smile.

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    At least he erm is honest

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