Thread: More Visa Scares

Hmm, anybody considering an alternative country of residence?

Originally Posted by charlie

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

But i just bought a house and I like it here.

Pack up and head to Welshland.

i've been trying to identify the country in your avitar for a while now.

got it now

Lower Volta...

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Under the new rules what you seem to need is income/pension of 40k per month only. The 400k deposit may no longer be accepted

40k a month is pin money. I can't see what the problem is.

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It is when you have much more than that, obviously.

Not all of us are in that position.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Hmm, anybody considering an alternative country of residence?

I have a friend in Pattaya who said that some people there are considering packing up (if it comes to that) and moving to Phnom Penh. I wonder what percentage of people who'd be effected by these new rules would move over there for good.

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok;182850is there a way to know what % of TV posts are deleted ,and what % of posts are edited ?
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This guy's begging to be banned by the fuehrers at TV.

Sorry! Back on topic...

Back off topic... They have zapped so many of my posts I've given up posting.

Sorry! back on topic.

I can't help but think that all this October 1, visa stuff that has happened was preplanned and thought out, just to keep the trouble making Farangs quiet while we hop on one foot while we try and juggle their finances, visas and families. Hard to complain about the government when you are worried about where you and the family are going to live next week and month.

And just to make sure the ones that have some pull with the locals, the married farangs, lets scrap the and/or 400,000 Bt rule that's been in place for years, overnight without any warning, and make it 40,000Bt income only that counts. That should keep us all drunk for another week.

What happens to those who are retired and married here? How can they show an income if they only have a lump sum?

How far back does the 40k/month go? What if you've only been here for a few months, and can only show an income for that time?

Do they also require you to have a work permit if you have an income?

Will you have to pay tax on earnings earnt abroad, but paid into a Thai bank?

Originally Posted by Scooter

My wife would would like to meet Old Codger,Som Nam Na my arse.

Why, what she gonna do?

If you dont have the money, get a different type of visa.

My wife just came back from Phils with one of the kids ( mid september ) a 2 year old girl, it was the first time immigration said that the baby did not need any visa until 17 year old !!

I hope this will still apply ...

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Will you have to pay tax on earnings earnt abroad, but paid into a Thai bank?

Strictly speaking, income tax in Thailand is payable on your world-wide revenue earnings, with the proviso that:

(i) the money is brought into Thailand - this does not need to be into a Thai bank account, ATM withdrawals also count;

(ii) the income has to have been earnt/generated within the last year.

So, if you earn money outside Thailand and do not bring the money into Thailand, then no income tax is due and payable.

However, if you earn money outside Thailand and bring that money into Thailand within one year, then income tax is due and payable on it.

If you earn money outside Thailand and bring the money into Thailand after one year and one day, then no income tax is due. The rationale here is that money would have been taxed in another jurisdiction and it would be double taxation to then tax you again. Such nice guys at the Revenue Department

However, keep in mind that with 40k a month, and deducting allowances (such as single/married person's allowance, etc.), and the threshold that income tax actually ticks in at (100k per annum), the amount of tax due would be very small indeed. Consequently, I do not believe the Revenue Department would do a tax audit on an individual in this circumstance as it would not be worth the time & effort. One exception to that would be in the case where a tax-payer submitted an application for a tax rebate/refund. The Revenue Department ALWAYS do a tax audit on any application for a rebate/refund, regardless of the circumstances.

*sorry: lengthy, crappy, reply *

So as long as there are regular deposits into ones bank account which amount to more than 40k a month immigration would be happy? For how long does the 40k a month need to have been deposited, William?

Please note that this is for general info to help all posters here and not in any way a reflection of my own personal situation.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

For how long does the 40k a month need to have been deposited, William?

I honestly do not know and I'm looking into this myself. The query I have goes as follows (which I think is not too far fetched):

Western man meets and marries Thai wife. Thai wife goes to live in Europe with Western man. Western man and Thai wife live in Europe for a period of time, say 10 years. Thai wife wants to come back home (as they all eventually do) and Western man wants to get out of fucked up Europe (as most want to do). Western man goes to Thai embassy in London and applies for marriage visa.

Problem: Western man has no Thia bank account, so how can he show evidence of 40k a month being paid into said Thai bank account? He can show he has enough dosh to live on, but that doesn't appear to be what's being asked. Conversely, you may not have a pot to piss in, but if you live in Thailand with 40k a month being put in your account you're OK.

Doesn't seem right to me.

I think you misunderstand. The Thai embassy in your home country will issue the first Non-O visa without any proof of funds whatsoever. The cash requirement is for 1 year's extension of stay at Immigration. This means you have about 14 months on the initial Non-O Visa to get a Thai bank account and proof of 40 000 per month into a bank.

ahh, so your first year here needs no proof of funds but after that any extension you get must have a proof of funds.

Now it's starting to make more sense to me.

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

I think you misunderstand. The Thai embassy in your home country will issue the first Non-O visa without any proof of funds whatsoever. The cash requirement is for 1 year's extension of stay at Immigration. This means you have about 14 months on the initial Non-O Visa to get a Thai bank account and proof of 40 000 per month into a bank.

Atre you sure.The above visa would be a multi-entry.no extensions allowed?

If you get a single entry (3 month or one year?) then you can apply for an extension.

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

I think you misunderstand. The Thai embassy in your home country will issue the first Non-O visa without any proof of funds whatsoever. The cash requirement is for 1 year's extension of stay at Immigration. This means you have about 14 months on the initial Non-O Visa to get a Thai bank account and proof of 40 000 per month into a bank.

OK. I'm not on a Non Imm 'O' visa. Say me & William got married, how long would I get before I have to show my funds?

Originally Posted by William

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*sorry: lengthy, crappy, reply *

Rubbish, William! It was an excellent reply!

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

I think you misunderstand. The Thai embassy in your home country will issue the first Non-O visa without any proof of funds whatsoever. The cash requirement is for 1 year's extension of stay at Immigration. This means you have about 14 months on the initial Non-O Visa to get a Thai bank account and proof of 40 000 per month into a bank.

This was also the case with the "O-A (Long stay)" visa - you had to show the equivalent of 800,000 baht in any bank (home country or Thai). I actually had it in a Thai bank because I was going to get the "3,000,000 baht investment visa" until the nice man at the London Thai embassy informed me that they'd reduced the age requirement to 50, so I went the "O-A" route instead.

You certainly need the money in a Thai bank for the extension after the first year.

Originally Posted by RandomChances

I think as long as you enter the country with any form of Non O (single, multiple) you can apply for the marrage extention, so if you came in on a single you would have to apply before it was up, if you had a multiple you could do boarder runs every 3 months as long as you apply for the extention while the visa is still valid.

So, if you are here on a tourist visa, you will need to get a Non-Imm 'O' before you can get married? Can they change your type of visa at an immigration office like they do if you get a job after entering Thailand on a tourist visa/VOA?

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Apparently they have changed the rules on the marriage extension now as well. The old 400,000 baht in the bank is no longer applicable for new applicants (after Oct 1st) You OR you wife need to show an income of a minimum of 40,000 baht a month.

Where did this come from Ramdom? It doesn't make sense to get rid of the lump sum option.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

What happens to those who are retired and married here? How can they show an income if they only have a lump sum?...

The lump sum route is very easy - just a letter from the bank and copies of your bank book.



I think this change is someone's "misinterpretation" or "mistranslation" of the rules. Let's see what happens...

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

I think you misunderstand. The Thai embassy in your home country will issue the first Non-O visa without any proof of funds whatsoever. The cash requirement is for 1 year's extension of stay at Immigration. This means you have about 14 months on the initial Non-O Visa to get a Thai bank account and proof of 40 000 per month into a bank.

Atre you sure.The above visa would be a multi-entry.no extensions allowed?

If you get a single entry (3 month or one year?) then you can apply for an extension.

I am sure that the initial application for a Non-O marriage multi entry in your home country does not require proof of funds, only valid marriage registration documents.

As for the extension, I don't trust Immigration to be consistent, so I dont know. I have been told that it is possible to ask for a one year extension after using a multi entry visa until it is used up. But I am still on my first year... so.

Of course in real life, the Immigration Officer may have a bad day and require me to prove that I can juggle a couple of mountain goats while reciting the Thai Penal Code backwards if he so wishes (believe me, I am practicing frantically). It is his right, as stated clearly both on the Immigration home page as well as the information posted at the CM Immigration office, under the list of requirements for various visas: "The Immigration Officer has the right to ask for any additional documents he/she feels is necessary"

MtD as far as i know you can get married with any visa, you have to have a "Non" I think O but mabye B as well to get the extention

Originally Posted by RDN

Where did this come from Ramdom? It doesn't make sense to get rid of the lump sum option.

Sunbelt, one of the posts on your link.

Like I say I don't really like commenting too much about visas as I don't know enough about them. I'll probaly get in touch with Imagration myself before I have to extend again