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    I've only read the OP and not the whole thread but they are looking out for this now, legally you have to obtain the visa in person for it to be valid.

    Yesterday myself and a friend went on a visa run, he has one of the above mentioned visas although obtained in a slightly different way, first border we stop at, eagle eyed Thai is going through every page of his passport asks him where he obtained his one year non-immigrant multi visa from, Hull he replies as stated on the visa, did you go in person asks Thai, yes replies farang, bullshit replies Thai, you left Thailand by a land border entered Malaysia stayed for 14 days then re-entered Thailand by the Malaysia border, now my mate is as good as fucked here so he thinks, as the Thai is saying he can no longer use his visa and will only be granted 30 days on re-entry (we were only planning on walking across the border get the Cambodian stamps and back again), no problem says my mate, you will give me 30 days then, i can still come back in no problem?? Yes says Thai as long as you have proof of onward travel, which obviously he didn't and nowhere to buy anything at this border, so Thai staples something written in Thai to my mates TM card and directs us to another border about 20kms away.

    While sitting in the car, paper is translated to say 'cancel visa and only give 30 days on production of proof of onward travel', paper is only stapled to TM card so it gets removed no problem, arrive at next border (i'm purposely leaving the names of the borders out) my mate has the same problem trying to get out, yes yes he says i already know, i buy bus ticket and you give me 30 days when i come back, all sorted, so into Cambodia we go, get our stamps and he buys a bus ticket (200 baht) and back into Thailand, now here it gets really good, he hands over his passport and the guy is going through every page and even calls over his supervisor and they are now both going through it, 'oh fcuk' my mate is now thinking as this is going on for 10 minutes, then the supervisor says, you still have valid non-immigrant visa you can stay in my country for 90 days, oh ok then give me stamp for 90 days then, which he did and we then made a quick run for the car and out of there. You gotta love it when the left hand ain't gotta fooking clue what the right hand is doing.

    They are now looking out for this, be warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    legally you have to obtain the visa in person for it to be valid.
    I don't think so, I've always obtained my visa from Hull by post, although from in the UK.

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    ^ yup you can post it to Hull. I did exactly that from Devon 3 months ago. When I talked to them (Hull consul) they were pretty adamant that I should be in the UK. How they'd know is beyond me. The problem, as noted above is when you do a 90 run.
    The other point is that the more people who screw the system the greater the likelyhood of user friendly Consulates getting difficult. Bad news for all.

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    I will re phrase what i said, you have to be in the coutry at the time of the visa being issued, having a non-immigrant issued from Hull while you are in Malaysia will result in it being cancelled if they spot it, which they are now obviously looking out for.

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    ^ If you have 2 passports they won't be able to tell.

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    They can tell if you come in across a land border but not if you come in at an airport

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    legally you have to obtain the visa in person for it to be valid.
    Nonsense. Hull positively discourages personal visits and charges more for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by madjbs
    If you have 2 passports they won't be able to tell.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    They can tell if you come in across a land border but not if you come in at an airport
    Really? How?

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    Yes, I don't understand that one.

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    The reason is that at land borders they check your exit stamp but at airports they don't as there are too many countries that don't stamp and too many people using more than one passport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madjbs
    The reason is that at land borders they check your exit stamp but at airports they don't as there are too many countries that don't stamp and too many people using more than one passport.
    Good point, but just because you don't have an exit stamp from Thailand doesn't mean you've done anything illegal.

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    ^Nope, but for some reason, Immigration officers check that you have a stamp from the country you just left at the Land crossings. Seems silly as you could only have come from place, but then it might be to stop things like this going on.

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    Just spoken to my mate who i did the run with yesterday and he told me that his visa pimp had actually told him not to use any of the Cambodia crossings and just to leave and enter via airports and he would have had no problem.

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    The plan is bullshit and they are waiting to nab idiots that try it.

    The simple thing is that whilst you are in Laos your passport will arrive back with a new visa dated after your entry stamp into laos. When you return to thailand the immigration officer will see that the new multi immigrant visa starts after your entry stamp into laos. this is the part where you are fooked and this is what they are watching out for. Furthermore to get into Laos you need a visa before you arrive, you'll have one in your passport already! fooking dumb ass plan!

    And why isnt this in members becuase immigration officers have computers too you know.

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    ^ Thats why to do it safely you have to have 2 passports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Now apologise.
    You should be on stage or at least doing kid's parties at McDonalds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You should be on stage or at least doing kid's parties at McDonalds.
    You might be big enough to admit when you're wrong when you grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    And why isnt this in members becuase immigration officers have computers too you know.
    and they all read TD....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You should be on stage or at least doing kid's parties at McDonalds.
    You might be big enough to admit when you're wrong when you grow up.

    fat chance

    anyway, it is fairly easy to gettwo Uk passports; you just have to satisfy the agency that you need them. If you are travelling to Israel and then Saudi, for instance, they will give them to you. I have never needed any letter from an employer as I am self employed
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    and they all read TD....
    The head of immigration in Nong Khai reads forums, hell he even employed some foreigners to help with the q&a section on the Nong Khai website (which never got finished and was shite)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    hell he even employed some foreigners to help with the q&a section on the Nong Khai website (which never got finished and was shite)
    Maybe one Thai might realise that white skin doesn't mean ability with the English language.

    Probably not though...

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    Rumour has they were dutch or yellarmun or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    I don't think posting a passport across an international border is, per se, illegal.
    I have done a bit of research on this today.
    It appears to vary from country to country.
    If I ignore all the internet advise and only quote official government websites then it is legal in Canada but illegal in India and Jamaica.

    If I can get an answer for UK and Thailand I will be back.

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    ^it actually doesn't surprise me that it is illegal in India. Everything to do with "officialdom" is illegal in India - it's just that nobody pays any attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    (i'm purposely leaving the names of the borders out)
    Thank God for that, they will never suss out where you mean, well apart from one little problem, it is just a minor detail and I feel sure it will not be noticed, there is only one border crossing point that you can buy the fake 200baht bus ticket another minor detail is there are only 3 crossing points that are within say 30km of each other, the other 2 don't do the fake bus tickets, so taking a wild guess I would say : DRUM ROLL: Daung, Baan Laem.

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    It states unequivocally in the Hull guidance pack for Business visa applications that the applicant must be residing in the UK at the time of the application.

    In considering the application the Consulate would be duty bound to examine the passport from which they presumably would see that you had not left Laos or did so illegally since no embarkation stamp appeared. Stating that you held 2 passports would achieve nothing since they would simply ask for the second, a reasonable request particularly if you were actually resident in the UK and had signed an application to that effect.

    There are those with more than 1 passport who travel frequently in the course of business who may be out of the country in which they are ordinarily resident but who nevertheless need to apply for a visa. The genuineness of this would be easily established and a history of endorsements in both documents would further attest to it.

    In your circumstances I wouldn't try it but, as they say, up to you. Remember, there's nothing new under the sun and if you thought of it then rest assured others have and the Consulate too.

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