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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    What will not change is the UK AUS and US embassies will continue to not issue income verification letters. All else is subject to change. At the discretion of your local immigration office of course.
    Yep. And rightly so.

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    what i have read and understand [I THINK] is a lot of the changes have become new police laws.i do know that them that go the marriage route are being or should i say they will be shafted in one way or the tuther.BE PREPARED.

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    At sometime somehow it will trickle up that farangs are leaving. Then the junta will need to decide if this proves their campaign for good in bad out rich in poor out is a glorious success, or they fcuked up something rotten.

    I know where the smart money is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Then the junta will need to decide if this proves their campaign for good in bad out rich in poor out is a glorious success
    ...I can't imagine the junta even noticing...

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    for every penny pinching and impoverished falang that leaves, half a dozen free spending chinese or koreans will quickly replace them. the thai authorities will not even blink, as said above.

    the ageing euro long stay expats in thailand ,with all the baggage, penny pinching complaining and sense of self important entitlement that they tend to import with them are dinosaurs now, square pegs in round holes. asian expats are a much better fit here

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...I can't imagine the junta even noticing...
    If they do notice it'll be as a cause to celebrate.

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    again, the point is to have "farang" witnesses leave before the country dramatically transform itself

    Think Saigon, without the underlying war, except the war on Democracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    for every penny pinching and impoverished falang that leaves, half a dozen free spending chinese or koreans will quickly replace them. the thai authorities will not even blink, as said above.

    the ageing euro long stay expats in thailand ,with all the baggage, penny pinching complaining and sense of self important entitlement that they tend to import with them are dinosaurs now, square pegs in round holes. asian expats are a much better fit here
    ^Pretty accurate and they (Chinese and Koreans) don't constantly whinge like the European expats. They move to a foreign country and want all the conveniences they had back home with a low cost of living. It just doesn't work that way but most don't seem to be able to comprehend this simple reality.

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    So, tax is heading out then.

    Doubtless when he returns the status of the white man will be returned to its former glories with the natives.

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    i'm perfectly integrated here snivel, i've got the walk and i've got the talk and i'm pretty much treated like a local in both of the neighbourhoods i reside in, apart from at immigration where i'm just another falang to be inconvenienced for their amusement like we all are.

    a large percentage of the westerners who wash up here, either as holidaymakers or as longstay expats , and there is no other way of putting it really, are fat ugly low end trash.

    how about you cyrille, do you integrate well here with our hosts or do you tend to feel an outsider, fed and watered well and looked after but always on the sidelines, just outside the circle and never quite knowing the full story of whats going on around you and so unable to contribute much, other than financially of course.

    must be so frustrating being unable to enliven conversations with all those snide one liners you insist on recycling endlessly. they probably dont translate too well either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    there is no other way of putting it really
    ...of course there is: you're just being hateful...
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    do you integrate well here or do you tend to feel an outsider, fed and watered well and looked after but always on the sidelines, just outside the circle and never quite knowing the full story of whats going on around you and so unable to contribute much, other than financially of course.
    ...I'll take the "or" option, thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    i'm perfectly integrated here snivel, i've got the walk and i've got the talk and i'm pretty much treated like a local in both of the neighbourhoods i reside in, apart from at immigration where i'm just another falang to be inconvenienced for their amusement like we all are.

    a large percentage of the westerners who wash up here, either as holidaymakers or as longstay expats , and there is no other way of putting it really, are fat ugly low end trash.

    how about you cyrille, do you integrate well here with our hosts or do you tend to feel an outsider, fed and watered well and looked after but always on the sidelines, just outside the circle and never quite knowing the full story of whats going on around you and so unable to contribute much, other than financially of course.

    must be so frustrating being unable to enliven conversations with all those snide one liners you insist on recycling endlessly. they probably dont translate too well either.
    From having read his posts on Subzero and Ajarn he doesn't integrate at all which I don't think anyone will find much of a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    i'm perfectly integrated here snivel, i've got the walk and i've got the talk and i'm pretty much treated like a local in both of the neighbourhoods i reside in,
    Jesus H Fucking Christ on a bike, just what the fuck do you think you are playing at?

    Since when do decent white chaps from Albion fucking integrate in some bongo-bongo, coon reserve just because they have a billet here?

    Totally unnecessary and quite, quite unhealthy. Clearly, you are going troppo in that incipient dementia of yours but really, it's just so very wrong on so many levels. Just because you can speak a bit of the lingo, use a bum gun and can simper away at the Thai without saying anything remotely interesting, important or sensible does not mean you are integrated, you daft chump. The only way you can do that is by fucking reincarnation as a chickenhead or decapitation.

    Anyway, taking a swipe at your kith and kin here is bad form. We white chaps on long term visas/extensions number around 200,000 and most are bona fide folk subsisting on their incomes and savings while supporting assorted wingmen, any number of ancillary erks and trainee sprogs.

    Stop all this going-native malarkey just because you get to put a finger up some hiso's arse from time to time and he gives you a smile, these people are not your kind, never will be and there is no fuckimng way they'll ever truly accept you.

    Honestly, most folk south of watford wouldn't accept a northern whippet fucker like you, never mind a bunch of cognitively impaired hottentots from bongo-bongo land.

    Get a grip!

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    Actually - the only way anyone will be accepted by the locals as a local (Thai) is to be born Thai - with full Thai parents.

    Status, status, staus, face, face, face. All who live here know full well the Thai caste system - 'tis etched in granite and cannot change.

    Still, much better to be born and recognized as a falang vice an asian.

    Been to and lived in a great varity of locations and countries. Thai asians (in a broad brush stroke stereotypical manner) are as prejuducial and biased as they come. They've been raised that way and their "training" is continually reinforced. Chat chu thai!

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    Thai are ignorant, uneducated, mostly stupid and self-centred to a degree that suggests autism is their currency. I have travelled through many countries, made friends, shagged a few and lumbered my way through the thickets of their culture but I have to say the Thai are the only folk on the planet whose men are generally the equivalent of a used tampax.

    Got to tell it the way it is. A group of Thai in truth could reasonably be described as a "rape of Thai.".

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    Good grief Buttchugger. A damning indictment of a country you've chosen to live in, of all the countries you could choose; i can only surmise that your low intellectual capacity is bolstered living here amongst the "rape of Thai."...

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    Stop all this going-native malarkey
    i never said i go native, i merely indicated that i feel perfectly comfortable around thais.

    i dont clump around waiing like a fucking madman at all and sundry and certainly dont patronise them with simpering grins, endless khop khum khraps, fawning compliments and offers to foot the bill all the time. for gods sake asylum, i'm a yorkshireman and we dont give way for nobody.

    but i have learnt to see the good side of the thai, especially the females, and to dismiss the boorishness and self absorption of the male with polite good humour rather than anger and insult.

    but then again i rarely associate with the lower end, the peasant and the bugmuncher if you will and even at that level i find that most folk are of a kindly and helpful disposition and are merely trying to earn a living under difficult circumstances.

    obviously, those locals whose only contact with the falang is through tourist type services will perceive us to be fair game for their duplicity but falangs who are unable to see when they are being taken for a patsy or are misled in that direction by their wives or doxies deserve all they get.

    the inbred cynicism we northerners possess as a result of our upbringing and the treatment we receive as second class citizens by the southern cabals of priviledge who rule over us acts as a sturdy suit of armour protecting us against the excesses of the thai psyche and their penchant for duplicity, and we yorkshiremen, or at least we yorkshiremen of a certain class and style, are more than a match for their games and soon gain their respect and have them eating out of our hands.

    the hypertensive and insulting rants about your hosts will elicit nothing but laughter from the targets of your bile and the certainty that, in spite of the best efforts of your long suffering wingman to placate them, your path will be littered with the obstacles and booby traps that the thai are so good at placing in the paths of those whose progress they wish to impede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    how about you cyrille, do you integrate well here with our hosts or do you tend to feel an outsider, fed and watered well and looked after but always on the sidelines, just outside the circle and never quite knowing the full story of whats going on around you and so unable to contribute much, other than financially of course.


    Yeah tax, I'm sure you're right 'in the circle' with the locals. I bet they just won't hear of you paying for a drink.

    Hope they can somehow fill the void over the next few months.


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    phuketrichard thx for the red - off to my loser locker

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    ...a friend recently extended his retirement visa. He sent me the details of his experience at CW:

    I went to Chaeng Wattana today to renew my retirement visa. I left home at 6am and when I arrived there were 167 people ahead of me.

    I had a letter from Bangkok Bank but they didn’t like that I had done the letter a couple of days before (not as you suggested — the day before). So, they asked me to go down to the Bangkok Bank branch on the floor below to get a new letter and to have the bank update my bank account book with today’s date. I had the receipt from an ATM received this morning but they wouldn’t accept that.

    So, you might consider going through the queues, getting your number and then going down to Bangkok Bank to update your account book before seeing an immigration officer.

    I was handed the latest list of regulations dated January 18, 2019. If you don’t have it and want it I can scan it and send it along. One of the points made was that you must have 800,000 baht in your account two months before re-applying but also for three months after receiving your retirement visa extension. Also, during the year you can’t let your balance drop below 400,000 baht.

    In my original letter from my Bangkok Bank branch, I asked them to mention what funds I had in my account 3 months previously (since I done a wire transfer then) as well as the current balance. The current balance was well above the 800,000 baht required.

    When I asked for the new letter at the CW Bangkok Bank branch they said they could only indicate that this was my account and what the current balance was. So, I asked them to additionally print out a statement of the two previous wire transfers — which they did — but the immigration officer just handed those back to me and only accepted the new letter with the current balance. I thought you had to have proof that you had funds in your account for 2-3 months which is what I had tried to do. But my “proof” of that was just handed back to me.

    Although there are regulations in place it has long been my experience that they are interpreted differently by individual immigration officers. So, whether they would be willing to accept your letter from your bank written on the previous day is not something I can answer. It’s not clear to me that my case and what happened with me today would apply to you.

    When I got down to the bank, there were few customers and after some consultation about what the bank would be willing to put in the requested letter it did not take long to produce. After I got into the “inner sanctum” to get a queue number for the visa extension, I got a #14 despite the 167 folks before me. But, that was more than enough time to go downstairs to the bank and get what I needed.

    I hadn’t previously seen an indication that you have to keep 800,000 baht in your account for 3 months after receiving the visa extension or that you had to keep a minimum of 400,000 baht in the account during the year so for me that was useful information to receive. Curiously, the January regulation handed to me says “after you receive permission” you can remove funds from your account after 3 months. Not sure what that means exactly.
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    For the past 9 years I've had the option of going either the Retirement or Marriage extension route, and always electing the latter. However, this year decided on the Marriage option though still have banked monies for either.

    I thought I'd share my actual experience of yesterday/26th. Important though to appreciate that this was at Phuket Immigration, and as we all know, different locations have different requirements/local rules so important to check with the office which you are intending to use (albeit, as also have been documented, there can be variances between individual IO's in the same office).

    Firstly, the list of required documentation listed by the Phuket Immigration Volunteers in their website (Marriage (M) ? Phuket Immigration Volunteers) was spot on. Regarding photos, one exterior photo with you both in and showing the house number, and one house internal photo (we were sat at our dining table, none of this sat on bed embracing each other crap that I've read about).

    The only extra documentation was a form I had to sign which detailed the conditions under which the extension would be cancelled due to change of circumstances. It was explicit that the death of a family member through which the extension was granted (i.e. wife) would not then cancel the extension.

    One requirement that wasn't listed is that a witness has to be in attendance for the application (this only applies when changing from a Retirement to Marriage extension, and only for the first year). A quick phone call from my wife to one of her former staff working not far from the Immigration Office solved that problem, with the lady there in 5 minutes. We were told that one witness should be at the house when they confirm day/time for visit.

    Another slight deviation. My current Retirement extension expires on the 25th May. My new Marriage extension commences today 26th April, with a 'Under Consideration' stamp in my passport, with a requirement to visit the office/get new extension stamped in passport etc on 24th May. To reiterate, the new extension will be valid for 12 months from 26th April.

    IO confirmed ability to use any and all bank funds effectively immediately, and no requirement for further proof/seasoning when returning on the 24th May. 90 day report slip also updated, next one on 24th July. 1900 baht fee, no request for 'extras' in any shape or form. The whole exercise took about an hour as we were seen almost immediately when we arrived, around 0930 this morning, having been to the bank for the letter, 3 month statement, and copies of my bank book pages (the bank provided 2 copies of everything at no cost other than the 200 baht for the bank letter). Finished off the morning with a very good lunch.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Thai are ignorant, uneducated, mostly stupid and self-centred to a degree that suggests autism is their currency. I have travelled through many countries, made friends, shagged a few and lumbered my way through the thickets of their culture but I have to say the Thai are the only folk on the planet whose men are generally the equivalent of a used tampax.

    Got to tell it the way it is. A group of Thai in truth could reasonably be described as a "rape of Thai.".
    Yeah, 'ol Rudyard Kipling got it right when he stated: "East is east & west is west & never the twain shall meet"

    Thai men? Even those who've been 'westernized' living in the States for decades are a different type of cat. For moi? Don't give a fig what the neighbors' priorities are but they sure don't seem to be the same as mine.

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    Had fun yesterday. Immigration at Suvarnabhumi, apparently I did not show sufficient "respect" to the immigration officer. Was taken from the booth to the on duty head to be processed.

    Seems I omitted to put the province on my TM card, and did not immediately twig to what the officers "where you go" meant. When the penny dropped I added it (apparently in a non-respectful manner), so he made me write the full address again on the back of the form. Which I did - without saying anything. Handed it back - and in response to his yet again "you not show respect to immigration" gave him a flat look back. That was enough to set him off and drag me off to his superior.

    Sigh. Welcome back to Thailand.

    Fortunately his superior was a lovely, polite woman who had me done and dusted in two minutes with nothing more said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    polite woman who had me done and dusted in two minutes
    I don't suppose she gave you her contact details?

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