Thread: Amendments to Police Order 138/2257 (using monthly income)

Originally Posted by stroller

Wasn't 400k for inpatient treatment the proposed minimum cover required (re. the insurance thread)?

I would have thought 800k in the bank would cover that... but let's not look for logic or reason where there is none.

Side issue: If the visitor's credit card has $xxxxx available, shouldn't that be considered as available funds?
I don't have 400k in a Thai bank, but I do have more than twice that available on my cc. If I landed in hospital tomorrow, and if my insurance didn't cover me, I would still be able to pay costs to the limit of my cc, which is much more than the stipulated minimum funds.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Side issue: If the visitor's credit card has $xxxxx available, shouldn't that be considered as available funds?

I think that is considered available credit, not available funds. And I would bet a fair bit that immigration would not accept it.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I think that is considered available credit, not available funds. And I would bet a fair bit that immigration would not accept it.

I agree it would not be accepted. My question is "why not?", if the rationale behind requiring funds is to be able to pay for medical costs etc?

Originally Posted by Norton

Jesus suffering Christ! Nothing has changed except some Embassies will no longer issue monthly income verification statements.

Indeed.
And shouldn't be an issue for those who never felt the need, nor required, official verified documentation of [suspected] income from one's respected embassy.
The base process remains the same.

A gentle reminder, "Amendments to Police Order 138/2257 (using monthly income)."

FYI

TV posted the official translation of the police order under

CONFIRMED: Here is exactly what’s needed for retirement & marriage extensions (income method) from 2019

Originally Posted by bowie

Here is exactly

Where?

Originally Posted by bowie

official translation

Officially translated by the Department of Immigration??

Originally Posted by bowie

Officially translated by the Department of Immigration?? appears to be

Translated by Siam Translation for thaivisa.com. The translation of this document is for information purposes only.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Translated by Siam Translation for thaivisa.com. The translation of this document is for information purposes onl

I suspect the TIOs will consider the info pretty solid.

Originally Posted by Luigi

The translation of this document is for information purposes only.

Yea, but that statement fits virtually all translations. Extensions are granted at the discretion of the IO. On that basis, only the IO's interpretation, and enforcement of, the police order (written in the Thai language) matters.

I wonder if any foreigner has ever challenged (successfully or not) an IO's decision in a court of law?

Originally Posted by bowie

I wonder if any foreigner has ever challenged (successfully or not) an IO's decision in a court of law?

...such action strikes me as a spectacular waste of time and money...using the services of a lawyer to offer a bribe might be more efficient...

Originally Posted by lom

I wouldn't assume that since the amendment says monthly transfer.
You can of course, as before, transfer the whole amount 400k/800k in one go but they must have been in the bank for the last three month when you do your extension renewal. After that you are free to do whatever you want with them for 9 month, rinse and repeat.

Exactly. No change to that. I use the 400k baht in bank and live off it, then replenish 3.5 months prior. Way easier and far less complicated.

Originally Posted by tomcat

waste of time and money

Well, yes. But, I'm not looking for a solution to a specific problem. Plenty of visa services exist with established back doors. Interesting to see if Hakparn will manage to close them all.

But, if a Thai Court was tasked with a valid "translation" or "enforcement" task/case, would the courts rule in favor of "justice" deciding to enforce the law as written, or, would they side with the IO's decision, even if the IO's decision was against the "intent of the law"?

Knowing, of course, the case would be tried far after the courts decision having any bearing at all on the principals involved. Concerning how long it takes for a case to be heard, and or decided, perhaps the complainant and the IO would both have died of old age before a docket number was assigned.

The real question in this is; Do you, I, or another, foreigner have any recourse should an IO decide they just don't like you, or, want to screw you over, and decide to deny your extension even though you meet ALL the legal criteria, rules and regulations?

What would you do if your extension was "unreasonably" denied?

this surely is a blatent way of the ins.co's printing MONEY.never mind my history are they going to refuse ANYBODY,not on your nelly,never mind if you at deaths door they come up with a PLAN to keep immigration well blessed.have they who proposed this scam have any idea how many expats on O-A long term visa's that do their extensions every yr.what imm.told me I am not in their system as I entered before 2013,that is why I cant do my 90day report on line,i must leave and come back in with a new stamp.
this scam if it is passed by the cabinets next meeting will drive expats not to do their 90day and yearly ext.
one of the main gov.spokesman who voted for this to go to the next level was,the minister for TOURISM AND SPORT whats he got to do with those holing an O-A VISA.
not one of them at the meeting,was it 6 didn't come up with any case's of those on long term visa's being a burden on private hospital,and they said the public will BENEFIT

^ @headhunter,

Your posts would make more sense and be far easier to read and understand if you would start sentences with capital letters and end sentences with periods. Paragraphs also help. Your posts are like one big long run on sentence.

Originally Posted by bowie

The real question in this is; Do you, I, or another, foreigner have any recourse should an IO decide they just don't like you, or, want to screw you over, and decide to deny your extension even though you meet ALL the legal criteria, rules and regulations?

...if the rejection is purely personal, I would suggest moving to another province and starting again...

Originally Posted by bowie

What would you do if your extension was "unreasonably" denied?

...move to another province and start again...

Originally Posted by bowie

I wonder if any foreigner has ever challenged (successfully or not) an IO's decision in a court of law?

No, but seriously...

Originally Posted by JPPR2

I am here on the up and up and will not pay bribe or tea money to stay.

Yup, ditto, legit as the day is long, personal trait and training demand compliance. Never paid a bribe although I do tip (and frequently). Difference being a bribe is paid in advance while a tip is paid after the fact. Also, a bribe tends to be considerably larger.

Your wife is on target; "the way you stop it, is do not pay it."

Originally Posted by JPPR2

^ @headhunter,

Your posts would make more sense and be far easier to read and understand if you would start sentences with capital letters and end sentences with periods. Paragraphs also help. Your posts are like one big long run on sentence.

I am welsh you know,never went to school much.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Honestly Bowie I'd pack my shit and leave.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...move to another province and start again...

Nope, not for me, cost prohibitive and in my opinion - "losing".

Not expected, but, if I was refused an extension as I am 100% legit, I'd be documenting every single detail, then appealing to the highest level at the Immigration Office, then consulting with an attorney considering my "options".

I've just got far too much time, money, effort, sweat and blood invested in this country to walk away and/or fold. I would fight the system, any and all avenues, to the very best of my ability. Win, place or show I would "not go gentle into that good night".

Originally Posted by headhunter

I am welsh you know,never went to school much.

Hey all good. Just would be easier to understand the point you are trying to make.