Thread: No more Brit Embassy income certification letters!

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Then why have you chose for your username the name of famous British motorbikes and a camp Irish chat show host?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Maybe Mr Norton uses his surname as his forum name?

None if the above and nothing to do with the character on the Jackie Gleason show. Name was a shipmate of mine.

Originally jabir:
This was covered in a similar thread, the Brit Embassy attest only that they have seen 'evidence' to support the itemised amount/s. When Pattaya was graced with a consulate, a key person witihn the establishment made no secret of the fact that anyone with a computer could produce an acceptable tenancy agreement as proof of income, and one could surmise that many did.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Drivel. If a corresponding amount is not seen passing through their UK/Thai bank account on a monthly basis then a blind spasticated gerbil could twig it was bollocks.

Are you sure of that? I do hope you were just drunk or high when you posted. Otherwise, I suggest you inform the embassy that for at least the past 18 years they have been outfoxed by blind spasticated gerbils.

And before you dig deeper, please explain under what conditions you (or any other reasonable person) might expect staff at the embassy to tally the income letter application form with monthly amounts against the applicant's UK () AND Thai bank accounts.

I repeat, the Brit embassy income certification letter attests to having seen 'evidence' (NOT proof) of the itemised amount/s. A tenancy agreement is viewed as 'evidence', a pension letter from DWP is viewed as 'proof'...figure out for yourself why the legal and practical needs for them to say 'evidence' instead of 'proof'.

Err, "evidence" is "proof" you jabbering buffoon.
Bogus applicants purporting to earn a regular income from fabricated tenancies or other stratagems cannot succeed because bank statements fail to show corresponding deposits. The Australian and Irish embassies require their citizens to produce evidence of retirement income including bank statements before they issue their letters - in the case of the Irish embassy their guidance notes indicate six months of statements are required.
Evidently, the British consular staff are fucking their citizens over. No surprise there, they are all chocolate teapots and glass hammers whereas you are merely an idiot.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Err, "evidence" is "proof" you jabbering buffoon.
Bogus applicants purporting to earn a regular income from fabricated tenancies or other stratagems cannot succeed because bank statements fail to show corresponding deposits. The Australian and Irish embassies require their citizens to produce evidence of retirement income including bank statements before they issue their letters - in the case of the Irish embassy their guidance notes indicate six months of statements are required.
Evidently, the British consular staff are fucking their citizens over. No surprise there, they are all chocolate teapots and glass hammers whereas you are merely an idiot.

The Embassy has no legal obligation to provide this service. It is being withdrawn because immigration have moved the goalposts. It would be costly and time consuming, and in most cases, impossible for the embassy to verify income.
The data protection act prevents embassy staff from accessing personal financial data, even for verification purposes, you stupid, retired filing clerk.

Why do you morons write gibberish making daft assertions where there are no grounds supporting them. No legal basis my arse.

The Thai MFA liaising on behalf of the Immigration department entered some years ago into a protocol agreed with representative missions of foreign governments that they would accept attestations on income of their nationals resident in the Kingdom wishing to lodge visa extension applications dependent upon financial criteria. Most signed up to the memorandum of understanding and several, viz the Australians and the Irish, corroborate incomes by sight of bank statements. They agreed this because scrutiny of retirement pensions, incomes and annuities written in English, German, French and Italian by Thai immigration official on the frontline was fucking impossible in much the same way Western officials would find Thai documents indecipherable. You claim that such a process is costly and time consuming - the fucking fee paid by the applicant covers the expense but in truth the time it takes to examine the documentation in support, usually a matter of minutes, wouldn't tax a retard on some learning project although I accept it may well challenge the average TD dolt.

What fucking data protection act? You mofo twat, the fucking consular official affirms a punter's freedom to marry and in the case of divorced applicants or those who may be widowed fucking decree absolutes and death certificates are required. Aint' that a fucking breach of your confabulated notion of data protection.

Fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

you morons

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

my arse

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

average TD dolt

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

You mofo twat

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Fucking idiot

...a confident debater...

I know my target audience.

well, the new EU GDPR directive does have an impact on personal information access and retention by all organizations, commercial or non-commercial, and governmental

Indeed, but such constraints may be waived if the subject wishes to have the information disclosed for whatever reason deemed to be in their interests. However, in the specific case under current debate the various consular officials are not disclosing data but are merely confirming the fact that a putative applicant is in receipt of an income not less than X.

Gormless TD twats are of course too stupid to comprehend that.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Err, "evidence" is "proof" you jabbering buffoon.
Bogus applicants purporting to earn a regular income from fabricated tenancies or other stratagems cannot succeed because bank statements fail to show corresponding deposits.

No sir, evidence is not proof. Evidence can be weak, vague or otherwise inconclusive; proof is firm, something either is or it isn't.

I have never, that is, never, submitted any Thai or UK banking docs to the embassy for my rental 'proofs' of income or pensions. The 'proofs' I submitted continuously over the past 13 years have comprised of a tenancy agreement and pensions, which happen to be genuine and therefore 'proofs' to me. However, these were not verified by the embassy, since they did not tally with banking docs which I have never submitted, and therefore the embassy rightly regard these docs as 'evidence', not 'proof'.

Now I shall read the rest of whatever garbage/treasures you have dug up.

The Australian and Irish embassies require their citizens to produce evidence of retirement income including bank statements before they issue their letters - in the case of the Irish embassy their guidance notes indicate six months of statements are required.

Did you strike oil, or is this a convenient distraction? We were discussing procedures at the Brit embassy, and you attempt to validate a rather foolish blunder by switching it to embassies of choice.

Evidently, the British consular staff are fucking their citizens over. No surprise there, they are all chocolate teapots and glass hammers whereas you are merely an idiot.

I'm sure that makes you right, in some distressed mind, somewhere; the evidence is above, as is the proof, eh?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Why do you morons write gibberish making daft assertions where there are no grounds supporting them. No legal basis my arse.

The Thai MFA liaising on behalf of the Immigration department entered some years ago into a protocol agreed with representative missions of foreign governments that they would accept attestations on income of their nationals resident in the Kingdom wishing to lodge visa extension applications dependent upon financial criteria. Most signed up to the memorandum of understanding and several, viz the Australians and the Irish, corroborate incomes by sight of bank statements. They agreed this because scrutiny of retirement pensions, incomes and annuities written in English, German, French and Italian by Thai immigration official on the frontline was fucking impossible in much the same way Western officials would find Thai documents indecipherable. You claim that such a process is costly and time consuming - the fucking fee paid by the applicant covers the expense but in truth the time it takes to examine the documentation in support, usually a matter of minutes, wouldn't tax a retard on some learning project although I accept it may well challenge the average TD dolt.

What fucking data protection act? You mofo twat, the fucking consular official affirms a punter's freedom to marry and in the case of divorced applicants or those who may be widowed fucking decree absolutes and death certificates are required. Aint' that a fucking breach of your confabulated notion of data protection.

Fucking idiot.

Au contraire my little servant. The BE have provided a service requested of them, by Thai immigration. Thai immigration is not satisfied that income has been verified, due to the BE disclaimer.
It is not a legal requirement for the embassy to do anything that would leave them open to prosecution.

The service currently provided does not breach any laws. The requirements now expected by immigration need all applications tp be verified by the embassy. Given the legal minefield that would create for staff, its no surprise th embassy has refused to play ball.

All applications are different. Not everyone uses government pensions, be they DWP, CS or Armed Forces. Many rely on share income, rent and other means.

The data protection act requires permission for information to be provided. That often has to be obtained in writing from the applicant, and then confirmed in writing by the sponsor.
If I need to notify my pension provider of a change of address, it will only be accepted in writing.

How the fuck you made a career in CS is truly baffling, if you fail to see the implications of this going nuclear.

Originally Posted by jabir

No sir, evidence is not proof. Evidence can be weak, vague or otherwise inconclusive; proof is firm, something either is or it isn't.





I'm sure that makes you right, in some distressed mind, somewhere; the evidence is above, as is the proof, eh?

You gibbering retard, vide your dictionary.

Chas, I rather think you might be better engaging with something more in tune with your current level of evident dementia, like a fucking tree.

Honestly, why do you fucking either with this forum. You really are more at home with the dickheads on Thaivisa.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Err, "evidence" is "proof" you jabbering buffoon.
Bogus applicants purporting to earn a regular income from fabricated tenancies or other stratagems cannot succeed because bank statements fail to show corresponding deposits.

The Australian and Irish embassies require their citizens to produce evidence of retirement income including bank statements before they issue their letters -

in the case of the Irish embassy their guidance notes indicate six months of statements are required.
Evidently, the British consular staff are fucking their citizens over. No surprise there, they are all chocolate teapots and glass hammers whereas you are merely an idiot.

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Below is some information from the Australian Embassy website in Bangkok .

The Australian Embassy does not issue income letters. Our national services include the witnessing of Australian statutory declarations for Australian citizens

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Chas, I rather think you might be better engaging with something more in tune with your current level of evident dementia, like a fucking tree.

Honestly, why do you fucking either with this forum. You really are more at home with the dickheads on Thaivisa.

Originally Posted by tattooddude

Below is some information from the Australian Embassy website in Bangkok .

The Australian Embassy does not issue income letters. Our national services include the witnessing of Australian statutory declarations for Australian citizens

Had a bit of a read up on that and don't see where it says a stat dec. needs to be witnessed by the embassy, anyone authorized can be the witness.

The list is long from cops, teachers, anyone employed for more than 5 years in a local, state or federal government.

UK the cost of a stat dec, without any other services is 5 pounds max, so from my reading, the stat dec can be got in OZ or the UK, or from a drunk cop on holiday.

Originally Posted by tattooddude

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Below is some information from the Australian Embassy website in Bangkok .

The Australian Embassy does not issue income letters. Our national services include the witnessing of Australian statutory declarations for Australian citizens

SA says they do, and here's the 'proof', er, or is that 'evidence'?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylumbutkeepgettingfuckedoffbwaaah

The Australian and Irish embassies require their citizens to produce evidence of retirement income including bank statements before they issue their letters -

SA: I shouldn't be asking you since English is clearly not your native tongue, but in your esteemed view would a stat dec be 'proof' or 'evidence'?

In addition a Thai bank letter and account passbook along with a hand drawn map and wife's housebook were requested. They did ask for another document, it may have been a "landlords" letter, but as I had given them photocopies of my wife's blue book and ID card they deemed them acceptable.[/QUOTE]
that is all that is needed, all witnessed and verified by an HONEST LAWYER.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Chas, I rather think you might be better engaging with something more in tune with your current level of evident dementia, like a fucking tree.

Honestly, why do you fucking either with this forum. You really are more at home with the dickheads on Thaivisa.

You have given no proof or evidence that your assertions are correct and mine are wrong.
All you can do is make personal attacks against your critics. That is not regarded as proof or evidence. Its just your silly opinion as usual.
You believing that you are infallible does not count either you supercilious prick.

You shouldn't be using such long words, he's a bit weak on English, next time try something like arrogant, haughty, conceited, pompous, patronising, snooty, smug, or sneering.

Originally Posted by jabir

You shouldn't be using such long words, he's a bit weak on English, next time try something like arrogant, haughty, conceited, pompous, patronising, snooty, smug, or sneering.

I'm sure he can google prick if he needs to know what it means.

#119 HH

True if you are just relying on the 8,000,000 in your Thai bank account. However if you are utilising the, currently acceptable "combined" cash + pensions route, "some acceptable" and Thai Immigration defined "agent" has to verify the pensions portion. That "agent" has yet to be announced.

The UK Embassy was that agent but has now announced they, for whatever reason, will no longer offer that particular service.

That "agent" has yet to be announced.
I Like - very interesting. !

for them that are concerned go to,
http://WWW.GOV.UK/GOVERNMENT/NEWS/BR...rtification-of income-letters